Attorney: (Anthrax Scientist Bruce) Ivins never knew he was 'the suspect'

[sabra]

Source: WTOP Radio

WASHINGTON - As the government pegs the blame for the 2001 deadly attacks on one Army biologist, the attorney for scientist Bruce Ivins says his client never knew he was "the suspect" in the attacks.

"We were never informed or advised that an indictment was imminent of him," attorney Tom DeGonia tells WTOP. DeGonia's broadcast interview is Ivins' lawyers' first interview since Ivins committed suicide.

Ivins, a Fort Detrick scientist, overdosed on acetaminophen. He died July 29, hours before he was set to meet with the government about the case. Even though Ivins had died, DeGonia and co-counsel Paul Kemp still met with the Justice Department that day. It was then, DeGonia says, the government offered up a reverse proffer -- its plans to seek an indictment against Ivins.

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According to court documents, therapist Jean Duley described Ivins as a "homicidal" and a "sociopath." She won a protective order against him, after treating him for six months.

"I think you have to look at the source of that information," DeGonia says. "The therapist trainee who relayed that information, relayed it in court, with an FBI agent at her side. There are all kinds of issues about what someone says in the course of treatment whether that, what that is, we have no context for that information.

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[grannie4peace]

1. how about a conspiracy theory

what kind of poison would make a person act like he did near the end of his life? someone could have been slowly poisoning him, couldn't someone???:tinfoilhat: :patriot:

[sabra]

2. no poison needed - 24/7 surveillance by the FBI should do the trick

[NJCher]

6. in addition

They have new methods of making people think they're going nuts, as in hearing voices like schizophrenics do. It's called V2K (voice to skull) technology and it makes voices go on in the victim's head 24/7. They can also simulate the voices of people the person knows and these simulated voices can tell the person to do something against their will.

This kind of electronic harassment is illegal for the average person to do but the government can do it. Sick, yes?

I'm not sure I got the gist of this next part correctly but on a radio show, I heard people calling in and talking about how they were suffering this kind of harrassment over things that had no connection with the government. If I understood correctly, an investigator said there are private outfits that will do this for pay against another person, even though it is against the law. They have employees doing this kind of work all day and all night long and it's not understood that the employee actually knows what they are really doing. So it's like a boilerplate operations with people doing this but not understanding they are harrassing a person--they think they're just doing some type of computer work for one reason or another.



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[sui generis]

8. anything like V2K requires bone induction

a battery, and an antenna.

I don't think it would be practical. If a government operative wanted to get you they would be pretty direct about it. As to private companies doing it, it has to be marketed to private companies somehow . . . and that would mean a lot of improbable things. I would take what you heard with a grain of salt. Now, pure electronic harrassment - that definitely happens in third-party collections. The state almost never prosecutes complaints against collections practices, and the big collections companies know they are selling delinquent accounts to guidos who will call and email you on every line and email account sixty times a day, regardless of any "laws" protecting you.

My experience with businesses in the collections industry is that they are willing to third-party deliquent accounts as soon as "bucket 2", recall them at "bucket 5" (buckets are months-delinquent) and back out the door at Bucket 6+.

Incidentally, credit card companies are pretty much the biggest evil in America after dead baby duck fuckers and child molesters.

[EFerrari]

10. Some psych meds can produce paranoia.

My ex had that trouble with three -- two anti-depressants and one anti-psychotic. He was fine once off of them. :shrug:

[deminks]

4. How about showing your hospitalized daughter pictures of anthrax victims

and telling her that her father killed them.

Would that be enough poison? Poisoning is certainly possible, but the brutality of the investigation might have been enough.

[defendandprotect]

5. And offering his son $1.5 million and a new sports car --- ???

[sui generis]

9. I'm not anti-conspiracy so don't read this wrong

Is the daughter saying they did that? Does she still have the cards those investigators left? Is she willing to make those names public?

That would be a good lesson to anyone using those kinds of tactics.

[RainDog]

12. A co-worker told this to a reporter

this was in the NYTimes... it's not just a rumor. I forget the guy's name, but you can google ivins daughter anthrax and it should come up.

[frylock]

7. lsd..

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_Olson

[bertman]

11. Isn't Wikipedia a compilation of submissions done by random individuals? Seems they're constantly

revising the entries, if I remember correctly.

Not that they are wrong, but they may be opinion rather than fact.

[electropop]

3. Until they suicided him.