Scientist 'lone anthrax attacker'

[Andre II]

Source: BBC

A US scientist who killed himself last week was the sole person responsible for the deadly anthrax attacks in 2001, new FBI papers allege.

Dr Bruce Ivins alone controlled flask RMR1029, used in the attack, could not account for unusual overtime in labs and issued death threats, the FBI says.

The anthrax-laced letters killed five people, made another 17 sick, and unsettled a nation traumatised by 9/11.

Read more: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7545398.stm

[Muttocracy]

1. so did he carry this flask with him at all times? or was he the only one who could unlock it? nt

[seemslikeadream]

2. Rap it up

[sabra]

3. "lone shooter"....

[RC]

4. Gee, we have another "Lone" killer.

How many does that make now where the killer conveniently died so they could close the case?

[earthside]

5. Another Bush-Cheney Lie

I don't believe this guy was the only one involved for one minute.

Clearly this was a job put-up by 'insiders' of some variety to terrorize the American people into accepting the Patriot ACT, the attack on Iraq, Homeland Security Department, etc. and etc.

[mikelgb]

6. teh lone

[skip fox]

7. Conveniently the case in now closed all except for officially. If Ivins had gone to trial

something could have come out that pointed elsewhere. (To the hands of the same people who said the anthrax camed from Sadam? The ones Suskind reported? Could they have gotten someone, a different scientist, to mail out anthrax? Were they worried that by going to trial it would become obvious that Ivins didn't do it or that one of his lawyers or snoopy reporters might pick up on something that could lead to their scientist???)

Could Ivins have been suicided?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=3740218&mesg_id=3740218

[defendandprotect]

8. Ah, did they give up the "sorority" and "pornography" charges . . . ???

They are accusing a man who is dead and can't defend himself --- which I'd say
is their best chance of "solving" this case --- !!!

I think we need someone to explain to us just how complicated all of this is and
that being on the other side of the subject --- the vaccine side ---
Ivins would have had no idea how to weaponize Anthrax.

Also keep in mind that Ivins headed up the investigations for the FBI/Government
in the anthrax "letters" case --- and he and co-workers had possession of the
material from "the letters" if not "the letters," themselves.

Further, the Daschle "letter" was highly charged Anthrax intended to "float" in the
air in order to do the most damage. Feingold's office was in back of Daschle's and
the Feingold people were affected.

So this is a very sophisticated treatment of this material ---

Ivins would not have been able to make weaponzied anthrax ---

Meanwhile, the anthrax was made probably two years before --- and may have been
separated that long ago from its "ancestor."

[screembloodymurder]

9. A rush to judgement

"One critical caveat to keep at the forefront of one's mind is that when one side is in exclusive possession of all documents and can pick and choose which ones to release in full or in part in order to make their case, while leaving out the parts that undercut the picture they want to paint - which is exactly what the FBI is doing here -- then it is very easy to make things look however you want."

Glenn Greenwald

[blm]

10. Just like the 'lone wolf' bank manager in Atlanta who somehow sent 5 BILLION of our tax dollars to

Saddam Hussein in the years before the Gulf War. He was targeted as the scapegoat for GHWBush's illegal operations and then when Drogoul's defense lawyers called for Henry Kissinger to take the stand, somehow Clinton's DOJ hurriedly cut a deal so Drogoul would plead guilty and get a slap on the wrist and only a few years in jail. He was 35yo at the time, and somehow he 'died' in prison of 'natural causes' and the prison waited one week to notify the media.

There is plenty of reason to doubt the official version of what happened to a 35 yo bank manager in Atlanta named Christopher Drogoul. Does anyone think that any bank manager could send 5 billion dollars of US tax payer money to Saddam Hussein via the same Italian bank that the CIA loyal to BushInc always seem to use?

[defendandprotect]

hmm... that seems to be a story we haven't heard much about -- I missed it -!!

[blm]

38. The overall scandal was called Iraqgate, and Rep. Henry Gonzalez took to the floor nearly every day

to highlight the evidence against BushInc. Many don't remember it because the corpmedia was helping push the gays in the military nonissue to blow it up into a bigger story. It is horrific how much protection Poppy Bush and his cronies received throughout the 90s and all under the cover of some scandal blown up to smear Dems, as Clinton had no interest in exposing any of Poppy Bush's illegal operations at all, let alone holding him accountable.

[defendandprotect]

28. hmm... that seems to be a story we haven't heard much about -- I missed it -!!

[Andre II]

11. This isnow the sad "highlight"

after the death if Dr Ivins.
It was forseeable that once the guy is convienently dead all of a sudden the result of the FBI investigation will miraculously be presented after almost seven years of silence.
Please kick this thread cause I believe people should be aware of this ASAP.
Thanks.

[frylock]

12. bull fucking shit

and that's all that needs to be said about this matter.

[skip fox]

13. Boy, I'm 61 years old and am not wise enough to be so certain of myself.

In 1998 Jack Gillis and I started asking questions about the "talking points" document that let Ken Starr investigate the Lewinsky affair. (L. gave to Tripp to suborn her perjury, the story went, and Starr claimed it came thru her from Clinton himself.) We ended up on CNN's Burden of Proof and our work (which began with questions and unease . . . like the Ivins matter) became the subject of a dozen important columns (Boston Globe, New York Observer, etc.)

Or we just could have turned our backs . . .

[vinylsolution]

14. This is not 'case closed'....

... This is case buried.

Look the other way people, nothing to see here.

[kohodog]

15. Nothing to see here, now move along

How convenient. How surprising. I never would have guessed it. It seems that suicide has ended any number of investigations here and in Great Britain in the last seven years.

[skip fox]

16. There are more and more every day unsettled by what the FBI "settled."

http://www.democracynow.org/2008/8/4/anthrax

[superconnected]

17. At this point I dont' even trust them that it was suicide.

At first I did but now to see all the play on it, I don't trust a friggen thing they say.

[bagrman]

18. Everything to come out of this admins. mouth pieces has been a lie to date, Truth now?

[skip fox]

19. Gov. Story: Ivins used Tylenol with Codeine. . . . Who prescribed this????

I'm sure that if he was eliminated, that his assassins or their sponsors have an answer for this, but it requires another story (one with a doctor or a dentist and a pharmacist) which opens the door for more problems (and more people "suiciding themselves"?).

A thread on this in General Discussion:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x3741416

[skip fox]

23. If the Ivins killed himself with this drug, I'm sure the FBI would be forthcoming about how

he procured it. If not . . .

Has the question been asked by an investigative reporter??

[Lorentz]

34. It's available over-the-counter in Canada and probably Mexico.

No one needed to prescribe it.

[geomon666]

20. uh huh

[TommyO]

21. How convenient that he's not around to defend himself

The last person they accused did defend himself and won a nearly six million dollar settlement.

[Jefferson23]

22. This is bullshit, I hope his lawyers speak out.

[windoe]

24. Occams razor on acid

the most simple stupid explanation must be the truth.

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

25. The Anthraxy Knoll.

:think:

[Festivito]

26. Top of the hour radio news minutes surely get the RW line.

Seems that someone is spending a lot of capital on getting this story to die a lone-attacker closure. A lot of M$M control or money or extortion.

[louis-t]

27. At very least, this is about creating a new talking point...

"bushie caught the anthrax guy."
edit: Every bit of info coming out about this guy is fishy. "He was a registered Dem", so why were only Dems specifically targeted? "He was working on an antidote for anthrax so he wanted to test his work", only it was a vaccine, not a cure. "He couldn't account for a lot of overtime". Oh, by all means, GUILTY!!!

[CitizenPatriot]

29. In honor of Bush

this guy didn't even have the powder anthrax, he had the liquid kind- and it takes some kind of special machine to make it into what was sent out. olbermann had a scientist on tonight who explained it (better than I am).

This is the anniversary of the day Bush got the warnings re terrorists wanting to attack America, using planes to do it, etc...and it's also the anniversary of the day Bush decided to fu*k justice and fu*k the american people. Now Ivin is another example of how Bush will IGNORE the issue of our safety and just go for the easy answer. Why?

[arewenotdemo]

30. I believe the official story. But I want YOU PEOPLE on my jury if I ever murder someone.

Because no amount of evidence the prosecution could detail would ever suffice, short of you, personally, seeing me actually do the deed.

Come on, people. If the several reports are to be believed, Ivins had (1)access, (2)capability, (3)motive, and (4)a history of mental illness.

Alright, show of hands. How many of you are both Catholic Church organists and jugglers?

:scared: :scared: :scared: :scared:

[EFerrari]

31. And I don't want you on my jury for love or money.

:)

He didn't have means or motive and they can't place him at the scene. His mental health history is peanuts that was blown 'way out of proportion. You don't get people who are both dysfunctional AND have very successful 35 year careers in such specialized research.

And my favorite cousin is an observant Catholic, musical and can juggle up a storm. There are more of us than you think. . . .

[zeemike]

35. Hmmmm a person with a "history of mental illness"

Having access to the deadly antrhx...that sounds believable.

[TaffyMoon]

32. Golly gee, I'm so glad they got 'im!

[Javaman]

33. Personally I think there was another attacker. the one behind the Glassy Bowl.

:rofl:

[zeemike]

36. More likely than not he was a patsy

Just like Oswald and Sirhan Sirhan and James Earl Ray.
The real killer got his reward, probably 5 million dollars, and will skate free.

[bunkerbuster1]

37. Yet another story on the killings missing the word "Bentonite."

Funny how it's missing from so many stories these days, huh?

[daggahead]

39. I really hope Dr. Ivins ...

... left a note stashed somewhere that reads, "Look in the secret compartment in my desk drawer for the letter from VP Cheney's office saying I will take the fall for this."