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maddezmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-24-08 01:18 PM
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Memo: 'Good faith' protects against torture charge
Edited on Thu Jul-24-08 01:28 PM by maddezmom
Source: AP

Memo: 'Good faith' protects against torture charge
By PAMELA HESS and LARA JAKES JORDAN – 34 minutes ago

WASHINGTON (AP) — The Justice Department in 2002 told the CIA that its interrogators would be safe from prosecution for violations of anti-torture laws if they believed `in good faith' that harsh techniques used to break the will of prisoners, including waterboarding, would not cause "prolonged mental harm."

The newly released but heavily censored memo approved the CIA's harsh interrogation techniques method by method, but warned that if the circumstances changed, interrogators could be running afoul of anti-torture laws.

The Aug. 1, 2002 memo signed by then-Assistant Attorney General Jay Bybee was issued the same day he wrote a memo for then-White House Counsel Alberto Gonzales defining torture as only those "extreme acts" that cause pain similar in intensity to that caused by death or organ failure. That memo was later rescinded by the Justice Department.

Waterboarding is a form of simulated drowning that critics call torture. CIA Director Michael Hayden banned waterboarding in 2006 but government officials have said it remains a possibility if approved by the attorney general, the CIA chief and the president.



Read more: http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5iASWS1P4bBULp9TwdMDnotGBi5bQD924BVPO0



DOJ Memo Allowed Severe, But Short-Term, Mental Pain in Interrogations
Posted 49 minutes ago
By Debra Cassens Weiss

Newly released documents confirm that a secret Justice Department memo authorized waterboarding by the Central Intelligence Agency in 2002, according to a press release by the American Civil Liberties Union. The memo allowed harsh interrogation techniques causing severe mental pain that is not long-lasting.

The August 2002 Justice Department memo (PDF) was released as part of a Freedom of Information Act lawsuit. The previously undisclosed document concludes U.S. law permits interrogation methods that cause severe mental pain as long as they do not cause “harm lasting months or even years after the acts were inflicted upon the prisoners.” The memo was signed by then-Assistant Attorney General Jay Bybee, now a federal appeals judge.

The memo says the assessment of mental harm should take into account the psychological health of the subject. “The healthier the individual, the less likely that the use of any one procedure or set of procedures as a course of conduct will result in prolonged mental harm,” the memo says. Large parts of the document are blacked out and the sections that are revealed do not specifically mention waterboarding.

more:http://www.abajournal.com/news/newly_released_doj_memo_allowed_cia_interrogations_causing_short_term_menta/
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WillParkinson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-24-08 01:22 PM
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1. Oh thank goodness...
Torture, if you want, but just remember it's OK if you THINK it's OK.
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LynnTheDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-24-08 02:28 PM
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2. All the evil & sickness we've been accused of over the decades, now proven and displayed
Edited on Thu Jul-24-08 02:28 PM by LynnTheDem
publicly.

"There is something very wrong with these people."

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OnyxCollie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-24-08 05:02 PM
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3. The "good faith" argument was used in the domestic spying, as well. nt
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The Stranger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-24-08 05:32 PM
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4. Anyone -- but anyone -- who participates in torture should be pursued and brought to justice.
No matter if it takes a life time.
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Demeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-24-08 05:37 PM
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5. Faith-Based Defense Attorneys? I Think NOT!
One would have to be several sandwiches short of a picnic to believe that will work.
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Supersedeas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-25-08 03:56 PM
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6. the old subjective test -- the perp's mind determines the crime
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NYC Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-25-08 03:58 PM
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7. If you torture, you are automatically not "in good faith"
Prosecute.

Oh and let's not forge the DOCTORS involved.
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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-25-08 09:47 PM
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8. So if you bomb things in a "good faith" attempt to "do good", then it's not "terrorism"?
Edited on Fri Jul-25-08 09:49 PM by bemildred
It's not so much that these guys can't think well, it's more like they can't think at all.
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