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Dr.Phool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-12-08 07:17 AM
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Ex-Bush spokesman Tony Snow dies of cancer
Edited on Sat Jul-12-08 08:07 AM by Dr.Phool
Source: MSNBC

WASHINGTON - Tony Snow, a conservative writer and commentator who cheerfully sparred with reporters in the White House briefing room during a stint as President Bushs press secretary, has died of colon cancer, Fox News reported Saturday. Snow was 53 years old.

Snow, who served as the first host of the television news program Fox News Sunday from 1996 to 2003, would later say that in the Bush administration he was enjoying the most exciting, intellectually aerobic job Im ever going to have.

Snow was working for Fox News Channel and Fox News Radio when he replaced Scott McClellan as press secretary in May 2006 during a White House shake-up. Unlike McClellan, who came to define caution and bland delivery from the White House podium, Snow was never shy about playing to the cameras.

Read more: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/25649744 /



I'll keep my big mouth shut.
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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-12-08 07:20 AM
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1. Goodbye, Tony.
He did his job well, lying for war criminals.
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JeanGrey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-12-08 10:48 AM
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97. Let's not start this people. We're better than that.
Goodspeed Tony..................
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elocs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-12-08 11:14 AM
Response to Reply #97
123. We might like to think so, but are we really?
I just don't understand the need of so many DUers to obsess over the death of a Republican or somebody with whom they don't agree, getting all bent out of shape by the coverage it gets. One thing we will all have in common is that we will all die. Yes, even Republicans have children and family who love them and will mourn their loss. None of us would be happy to see others delighting in the death of somebody we loved or admired, so why should we do to others what we would not want done to us? It's called empathy, and compassion. You give it unconditionally, not rationed out based on how much you receive.
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-12-08 11:20 AM
Response to Reply #123
125. Well, there is a thing about setting the record straight.
It's one thing about being respectful, another thing about saying nothing when others try to over-glamorize someone's record. Let's hope the media learned something with Mr. Russert's passing.
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elocs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-12-08 12:21 PM
Response to Reply #125
141. I'm sure you've been to a funeral or been in the situation after somebody died.
It's hardly ever the opportunity to set the record straight since the survivors all have the last word and the deceased can never respond again or defend themselves. Everybody tends to be glamorized after their death. It is rare to see a consensus opinion that, "Oh, he was an asshole". One person's asshole is somebody else's hero.
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The Doctor. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-12-08 01:38 PM
Response to Reply #123
158. There's a difference between 'disagreement'
and pointing out how much damage the recently deceased caused.

Seriously... is pointing out that Bush is responsible for many thousands of deaths mere 'disagreement'? Notsomuch.

I bear Snow no ill-will. I don't think he was a bad person. It's no secret he was a shill, so as long as no one is glorying in his death, what's the problem with talking about both the good and bad aspects of his life?
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-12-08 08:08 PM
Response to Reply #97
207. Reread the post and accept the truth - his lies helped kill a million Iraqis.
And you think people should be silent about that just because he died?

FUCK that!

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happydreams Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-08 03:57 PM
Response to Reply #97
228. Here we go again. "Goodspeed". Can't you do any better than a cliche?
Tony Snow was a sleazebag.
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New Dawn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-12-08 08:26 PM
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208. He was a war criminal
He personally chose to participate in the Bush regime, knowing full well that it had illegally invaded Iraq. It is only unfortunate that he will never get to see his day in court.
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sellitman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-12-08 07:26 AM
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2. Condolences to his family.
I wonder where you go after spending so much of your last years on earth lying?
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Fridays Child Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-12-08 07:30 AM
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3. Uh oh. It's gonna get nasty around here, today.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-12-08 07:35 AM
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5. Yep. My condolences to his family. nt
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dipsydoodle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-12-08 08:18 AM
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35. Ditto
Simple statement. I think adverse remarks are out of place under these circumstances.
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Ken Burch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-12-08 07:37 AM
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6. Let's hope not. The man's familiy doesn't deserve people giving them grief today.
n/t.
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michreject Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-12-08 07:53 AM
Response to Reply #6
18. Well said
And I agree. No death is worth applauding. None.
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ChazII Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-12-08 09:13 AM
Response to Reply #18
66. Agreed.
May Tony rest in peace and may his family be left alone from fools and be surrounded by loving friends as they grieve.
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Arugula Latte Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-12-08 03:37 PM
Response to Reply #6
173. I doubt his family is reading DU right now.
Just sayin'.
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Ken Burch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-08 12:40 AM
Response to Reply #173
220. No...but the asshole right wing bloggers would probably quote them anything bad posted on here.
I guess it's everybody's own call.

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Raoul Donating Member (666 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-08 11:29 AM
Response to Reply #220
225. Ditto
Yep, they are reading these things and merely taking the few out of context just like good nazis that they are..
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-12-08 07:55 AM
Response to Reply #3
21. yes it will be.....
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Blaq Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-12-08 09:50 AM
Response to Reply #3
76. Wow, Fux News are laughing and smiling already!
Fux and Fiends sure do have a short grieving period.
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ikojo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-12-08 07:31 AM
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4. Remember he was also a frequent guest host on
Edited on Sat Jul-12-08 07:31 AM by ikojo
Rush Limbaugh's show as well. He made war crimes palatable.
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Joe Steel Donating Member (337 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-12-08 07:37 AM
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7. Snow's death is not punishment for his lies.
Everyone dies so we can't look on Snow's death as punishment for his lying... but the temptation is great.
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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-12-08 07:40 AM
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9. His death was a reprise from a punishment.
The entire B*sh War Crimes Administration should go on trial.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-12-08 07:41 AM
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Retired AF Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-12-08 08:44 AM
Response to Reply #10
49. News flash
everyone rots when they die, including you.
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man4allcats Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-12-08 10:14 AM
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85. Of course it's true that everyone dies,
but for those who place their belief in such things, scripture states that death is the reckoning of accountability we all must face for our sins. Specifically:

"For the wages of sin is death..." Romans 6:23

I'm not saying I believe everything I read in sacred texts. It's just interesting, I think, from the standpoint of broad perspective. Condolences to Mr. Snow's family.


"When any person dies, we are all diminished." Elie Wiesel

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Limelight Donating Member (402 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-12-08 11:22 AM
Response to Reply #7
126. As someone who whole heartedly believes in karma
I think you're dead wrong. He didn't just die. He died long before a man of his age and generation normally would have.

Just more proof that karma really is a bitch.
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Arugula Latte Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-12-08 01:09 PM
Response to Reply #126
152. But that didn't hold true in the case of, say, Jesse Helms.
Karma seems sort of spotty.
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Common Sense Party Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-12-08 04:10 PM
Response to Reply #152
184. LOL! Great line: "Karma seems sort of spotty."
I need that on a T-shirt.
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Limelight Donating Member (402 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-12-08 09:56 PM
Response to Reply #152
213. Some get theirs in the end...
Some in the middle. It's a mysterious world we live in.
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Dave From Canada Donating Member (932 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-08 06:14 PM
Response to Reply #126
238. Fuck you. My dad died at 45 of A.L.S, and he was no war criminal. I guess we'll see what your
karma gets you.
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atreides1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-12-08 05:33 PM
Response to Reply #7
195. You're Right
His death is the result of cancer, not something that I would wish on anyone!

My condolences to his family, as for him, I got nothing.
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Doug.Goodall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-12-08 07:39 AM
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8. Another Bush Liar meets his maker
Maybe Tony can be the head liar for Jesse Helms
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Blaq Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-12-08 09:42 AM
Response to Reply #8
74. Tragic. Too bad he just didn't get it.
He spent his life spreading lies for big businesses whether than everyday American people. He will have to answer to God.
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happydreams Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-08 03:59 PM
Response to Reply #74
229. How do yo know "he just didn't get it"?He got it all right and reveled in it.
Edited on Sun Jul-13-08 03:59 PM by happydreams
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paparush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-12-08 07:42 AM
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11. From the BBC
Former White House press secretary Tony Snow, has died of cancer, US television station Fox News has announced.

Mr Snow, 53, had been suffering from colon cancer, it said.

He resigned as President George W Bush's spokesman in August 2007 - after just 17 months in the job - citing financial reasons.

Since then he had been working as a television commentator. The father-of-three had joined President Bush's team from Fox News TV in April 2006.

An outspoken conservative presenter, he was the first Washington commentator to be appointed to the White House role - replacing Scott McClellan.

He had served as chief speech writer for President George W Bush's father when he was president.

He had also worked as a columnist for USA Today and editorial page editor of the Washington Times.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7503368.stm
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Razorblade02 Donating Member (52 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-12-08 07:51 AM
Response to Reply #11
15. Think Rush would get this much Understanding When He Dies?
I doubt it. Not that he would deserve it either.
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paparush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-12-08 02:56 PM
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171. Having to share my first name with that maggot-ridden sack of shit irks me to this day.
Anytime I meet someone new its

"Hi, my name is Rush"

"Oh, like Rush Limbaugh? HARHARHAR"

"Uh..no"

The irony that he and I should live at the same historical moment is a supreme fuck me from the Gods.
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qanda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-12-08 07:43 AM
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12. My condolences to his family
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DainBramaged Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-12-08 07:46 AM
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13. Having brushed that door, and lost family members to the disease
no one who hasn't committed any crime other than propaganda, deserves to die from this evil destroyer of families, especially when so much evil persists within the Bush misAdministration.

I know his family will never read this but my heart hurts for them today. It may be a joyous day for many here, but his family just knew him as Father, Husband, Tony.
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calimary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-12-08 11:01 AM
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106. Nah. It's not a joyous day here. Nor should it be.
What is to be gained by celebrating his death? He was merely his master's voice. Condolences to his family. They've had a VERY hard road to travel with this disease and while THAT particular anguish is now over, they face more, of a different sort, from here on.

I never lost anybody to colon cancer or other cancers (in one case, it was incidental to a whole other witch's brew of debilitating and life-snuffing diseases, not just the cancer), but I've seen what grave illness can do - to the victim AND his/her loved ones. It's awful. I wouldn't wish it on george w bush, or dick cheney, even.

Besides, when justice finally comes to them, I'd hope they were still sufficiently well and healthy so that the pain of the sword of that justice stands alone.

----

That said, when limbaugh finally meets his maker, for all I know I might feel a little bit differently about the dancing-on-the-grave part. Really can't say, though. :shrug:

RIP Tony. You can relax now. You're in a place where you don't have to lie or distort anything for any scheming, greedy assholes OR their war-criminal pirate agendas anymore.
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DainBramaged Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-12-08 11:19 AM
Response to Reply #106
124. My mother in law died in my ex-wife's arms from colon cancer
Got it in 1996, thought she had it beat, came back with a vengeance in 2002, spread into her lungs, bones, and brain and ravaged her body. She was 62. She was under 100lbs. when she died. It was a horrible death.


Tony Snow was a mouthpiece, and all he did was spread the propaganda for the cause he believed in, just like we do. He should have lived long enough to see his children grow up.
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calimary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-12-08 11:30 AM
Response to Reply #124
128. Yeah, it's horrible anguish. I don't know colon cancer deaths. What I know is late-onset
diabetic deaths, longtime congestive heart failure-related deaths, and a bunch of other contributing factors with multiple syllables. But the diabetes was the main killer. AWFUL AWFUL AWFUL AWFUL AWFUL AWFUL AWFUL!!! And I'm sure that while Tony Snow suffered, he undoubtedly followed all his doctors' orders to the letter. My father, on the other hand, remained in complete defiance til the very end. He would NOT give up his donuts and waffles and candy bars and pastries and salty stuff and the rest of it. Just absolutely, flatly refused. He had a whole slew of doctors whose directives he'd ignore. OY. And my mom remained pretty much in denial along with him.

My mother-in-law developed breast cancer and had a mastectomy, but it came back, too. However, by then, she was already on her way out - dementia, heart trouble, lung trouble, and that lovely "ongoing companion," diabetes. Diabetes is for SHIT.

As I said, AWFUL AWFUL AWFUL AWFUL AWFUL AWFUL AWFUL AWFUL AWFUL AWFUL!!

I'm sorry about your mother-in-law. My sympathies. You get SOME consolation in the thought that their suffering is over. But yours still continues.
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DainBramaged Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-12-08 11:33 AM
Response to Reply #128
130. And my moniker, DainBramaged is a salute to my two brain tumors
no more brain surgeries allowed at my age. If it comes back again, I do my bucket list.

Be well.
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calimary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-12-08 11:45 AM
Response to Reply #130
133. Oh man...
Be well, indeed, dear Dain Bramaged.

It does make you appreciate what you have.

Hugs!

:hug:


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grace0418 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-12-08 12:32 PM
Response to Reply #130
143. DainBramaged...
:hug:
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WriteDown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-08 04:06 PM
Response to Reply #13
233. You have some great posts...
I have puke friends who support the Iraq war to this day, and I would still ball my eyes out if any of them were consumed by this horrible disease. Let's separate the polics from the people. From what I can gather, he was an amazing family man. Anyone like that deserves some respect because they are far fewer than many believe.
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Syrinx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-12-08 07:48 AM
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14. fuck everyone that mocks his death
I hate assholes. And that includes liberal assholes that mock conservative deaths. I don't want to be like them.
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onehandle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-12-08 07:51 AM
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16. Ditto. nt
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colonel odis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-12-08 07:55 AM
Response to Reply #14
20. couldn't agree more.
i hated just about everything tony snow stood for, but that has no relevance whatsoever when talking about how his family will be grieving.

he was way too young to go. it's a shame.

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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-12-08 10:51 AM
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LibraLiz1973 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-12-08 11:06 AM
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113. My sentiments exactly.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-12-08 08:38 AM
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Politicub Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-12-08 09:04 AM
Response to Reply #14
63. Me either
It makes me ashamed of DU when the grave dancers come out.
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Wcross Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-12-08 09:36 AM
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72. It is pitiful behavior to do that. I would expect better from good people.
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jobycom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-12-08 10:57 AM
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103. Good people aren't the ones behaving like that. nt
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DrFever Donating Member (10 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-12-08 10:05 AM
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79. Thank you for saying that. Let's not let this become like Fark.
A lot of idiots over at fark.com are celebrating Mr. Snow's passing. Different ones also jumped for joy at Ted Kennedy's recent scare. Hell even the freepers weren't that bad. Just because we disagree with the message doesn't mean we should take joy in the death of the messenger.
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bigwillq Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-12-08 10:10 AM
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82. My condolences to his family.
Edited on Sat Jul-12-08 10:11 AM by bigwillq
A good family friend of mine has colon cancer. She just had surgery. No treatment yet but I am sure that is coming. She's only 50.

53 is way too young to die, especially from some horrible disease.
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EstoniaKat Donating Member (29 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-12-08 10:18 AM
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88. Ditto as well
It speak to the smallness of the person's own heart and soul.
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KurtK Donating Member (7 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-12-08 11:03 AM
Response to Reply #14
110. Good for you.
Good for you. Not only is it classless. It is extremely bad politics.
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Common Sense Party Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-12-08 04:11 PM
Response to Reply #14
185. Amen to that. A wife and children are grieving.
I feel no compunction to dance and piss on graves.
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Kool Kitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-08 02:06 AM
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222. I couldn't agree more.
My condolences to his family.
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happydreams Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-08 04:04 PM
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231. How would you define "mocking"?.....
If I told some things about what a sleazebag he was in life is that mocking his death? How he enabled this megalomaniacal psychopath for a president by perpetuating lies and obsructing pursuit of the truth at every turn.

I have a big problem with vague terms like you use here.
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-12-08 07:53 AM
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17. condolences to his family and friends.
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Hyper_Eye Donating Member (429 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-12-08 07:55 AM
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19. I hate DU when these things happen. The storm is coming. My condolences to his family.
You can think what you want of Tony. There is a lot of pain in how he went. I am sorry that he didn't live to see the Bush admins actions fixed so that he might have seen a better way.
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YvonneCa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-12-08 07:56 AM
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22. My deepest sympathy to his family. n/t
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Joe Steel Donating Member (337 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-12-08 07:58 AM
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23. Snow had the best of care.
Tony Snow was a wealthy man and could afford the best of health care. Imagine the prospects of the poor. Would they survive as along as Snow did? Why should we feel sympathy for the family of a man who spent his entire life supporting and defending Conservatism, a political philosophy which would deny medical care to any who can't pay for it?
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Hyper_Eye Donating Member (429 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-12-08 08:06 AM
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28. Because we aren't them.
I care about someones well being regardless of class, wealth, philosophy, race, age, etc. I want health care even for those that would deny me mine. I want education even for those that would turn my child away. I cannot go through my life spitting on the graves of those that disagreed with me. All I can do is wish they had a chance to see what I've seen so they might have changed their minds.
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Joe Steel Donating Member (337 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-12-08 08:13 AM
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32. That may give you satisfaction...
...maybe even a sense of superiority but ignoring the opportunity to force conservatives to consider the horrors of their vile ideology would be foolish.
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Hyper_Eye Donating Member (429 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-12-08 08:21 AM
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37. And that time would be when they die?
Will dancing on his grave change any of what has happened? If a Republican came to this forum disillusioned with their party I think they would keep right on going if they saw the kind of celebration that goes on here when a conservative dies. I would want that person to see people ready to have them on our side.

I didn't mention anything along the lines of satisfaction or superiority. I just think these sorts of events generally reflect badly on DU. I don't get any satisfaction about cursing someone ten minutes after their death is announced.
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Joe Steel Donating Member (337 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-12-08 08:26 AM
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40. Right now is the time.
My local hate radio station, right now, is broadcasting call after call from wingnuts who are lionizing Snow. If we let that kind of thing continue, it will become the Snow Legend. In the world of instant information we can't give lies a chance to grow. We have to crush them immediately.
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Hyper_Eye Donating Member (429 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-12-08 08:39 AM
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48. Nothing you say is going to change the fact that this will be his day.
I am not saying that I honor him but the media will and there is absolutely nothing you can do about it. So if you feel that trashing him on DU is going to make it better for you then have at it.
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Muttocracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-12-08 10:38 AM
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94. people who listen to "hate radio" aren't going to listen to your reasoning anyway.
Edited on Sat Jul-12-08 10:41 AM by JoeIsOneOfUs
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Joe Steel Donating Member (337 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-12-08 10:44 AM
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96. This isn't for them
This is for those who know the truth. We have to convince them to speak it.
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JeanGrey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-12-08 10:51 AM
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99. Thank you and well said. I lurked on this forum for a long time
and almost didn't join because of stuff I read like this. We're supposed to be on a HIGHER level than the sickos on the right. Please let us not become them!
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Sy Kopath Donating Member (46 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-12-08 03:01 PM
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172. Tony Snow Was Human
I'm a longtime lurker and have posted a few times but this grave dancing is very disturbing to me.

Just as we all have our own opinions and beliefs about how things should be in our nation and in the world, we must also allow other people to have the same privilege, which is what makes our nation great.

I've always thought our democratic party was the party of love and caring for other people. Lately, at least from these forums, that seems to be going by the wayside and that's very bothersome to me.
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skepticscott Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-12-08 03:45 PM
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174. Why not save your love and caring
for the people who've suffered and died because of the policies of the Bush Administration that Tony Snow enthusiastically helped promote?
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Sy Kopath Donating Member (46 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-12-08 06:26 PM
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198. The Subject Here is Tony Snow
I think everyone of us who have a heart cry and grieve for every lost life and especially for the families of those who are left behind. He didn't send those kids off to the war. He had a job to do and now he has lost his life to a horrible disease. He left a wife and children behind. As a person who lost his mother as a 12 YO to heart disease, they are not in for an easy time, believe me.
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skepticscott Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-12-08 09:14 PM
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211. Well no, actually they don't
Lots of people died yesterday. Lots of people died of cancer yesterday. Lots of people died young yesterday and left behind families and friends who will miss them terribly. Where are the public expressions of grief and condolence on this forum for all of those people? Why has Tony Snow been singled out for special consideration? Is it because a lot of people on here actually knew him? No. Is it because they loved what he stood for? Not likely.

And saying that he "had a job to do" lets him off the hook far too easily. His job (to spin, dissemble and lie through his teeth every day to justify Bush administration actions and policies) was in no way forced on him. It was one he accepted freely and carried out enthusiastically.
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Sy Kopath Donating Member (46 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-12-08 11:38 PM
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216. You Appear to Have Other Issues
........apart from being mad at Tony Snow for doing his job and believing in what he believed in - just like you. I really feel sorry for you for that.

I'm sure a lot of people have gone out and spoken for Barack Obama - because that is what they believe in - but they didn't make the news, either. That's life. So many things in this life are so far out of our control.

One thing is for sure - I'm not sure I can bring myself to be a part of a group of people who are so invested in hatred. There seems to be plenty of that to go around here.

If this is representative of the democratic party, I'm not sure I want to identify myself as such.



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skepticscott Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-08 07:00 AM
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223. I'm not sure you should
If you think that the things Tony Snow believed in politically are just as valid and worthwhile as the things that Barack Obama or Al Gore or Russ Feingold believe in, this probably isn't the place for you. And yes, I DO have other issues...starting with a Bush administration that sent thousands of Americans and hundreds of thousands of Iraqis to their deaths (with Tony Snow's active and enthusiastic support) in an unnecessary military action designed only to enrich them and their cronies. If that doesn't make you deeply angry, then you're probably in the wrong place, though what the right place would be for someone like that, I can't imagine.
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Common Sense Party Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-12-08 04:13 PM
Response to Reply #172
187. DU certainly isn't the board "of love and caring for other people."
We see that every time tragedy befalls someone with whom we disagree.
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Flagg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-12-08 07:40 PM
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203. It is not a simple matter of disagreement
those people have the blood of tens of thousands on their hands

Snow died in a bed surrounded by his loved ones.
The Iraqis whose murders Snow justified and justified and justified never had that luxury.
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Hoondraskneltinsky Donating Member (10 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-12-08 11:00 AM
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104. I agree.
And I may not visit this site again because of the vile grave dancing that goes on. It reminds me of the scenes from the middle east after 9/11. If this is what the Democrat Party has become, I may just leave it.
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u2spirit Donating Member (727 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-12-08 07:48 PM
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204. Democrat Party?
nice knowing u.
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Hoondraskneltinsky Donating Member (10 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-08 02:01 AM
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221. Thank you,
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desktop Donating Member (263 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-12-08 08:16 AM
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33. If only everyone were like you
You have learned through your life experience and maybe through the help of family and friends how to have a happy life. In times of peril, people come to the reality, that your way is the only way.
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ChazII Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-12-08 09:16 AM
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68. Thank you for your words
of wisdom.
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beam me up scottie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-12-08 10:38 AM
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93. Thank you.
I don't mourn him but I almost lost my dad to the same killer and won't celebrate his death.
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totodeinhere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-12-08 02:33 PM
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166. Thank you. That was a very eloquent reply.
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happydreams Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-08 04:05 PM
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232. Yer full of it, and probably an agent provocateur to boot.
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happydreams Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-08 04:07 PM
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234. WTF is with all of these newby freeper trash replying to your post???
I smell bullshit!!
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Hyper_Eye Donating Member (429 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-08 08:03 PM
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240. I'm really not sure what your talking about.
I know I don't have a high post count but I have been registered for a long time and I read this site everyday. I can't spend more then 10 seconds on the FReeper's site without feeling the urge to vomit.
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winston61 Donating Member (642 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-12-08 08:18 AM
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36. Testify, Brother-
I'm sorry for Snow's family. Colon cancer is a horrible way to go. I wonder if like Lee Atwater he got religion at the end. His wealth and gold plated insurance could not save him. However, without the wealth and insurance he would have been dead a lot sooner. Let's remind ourselves that America is the only nation that runs health care as a business. You'd think that the conservative ass hats would get the message.
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iamjoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-12-08 08:34 AM
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44. Well, That Is True, BUT...
Feel free to "exploit" his health care experience as an example of the "two Americas", but that doesn't mean we can't have sympathy for him or his family. Just because the situation is worse for thousands (or even millions) of Americans doesn't mean it was good for Tony Snow or his family and friends. Sometimes, all the money in the world can't cure cancer - or even stop the pain and suffering associated with it.

It is sad that Tony Snow died so young. He had access to the best healthcare in the world to give him a fighting chance. It is also sad that thousands of Americans each year also deal with this disease, and many of them do not have the same access to healthcare.
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LanternWaste Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-12-08 01:08 PM
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151. Compassion, being limitless is only wasted when not used...
"Why should we feel sympathy for the family of a man..."

Compassion, being limitless is only wasted when not used. Additionally, my compassion for another's misery is not predicated on thier compassion for me.

I have no qualms with anyone who decides to forgo compassion and sympathy for the dead and the ill, but to advertise absurd justifications denying that most basic of hman emotions should be (I think) relegated to other venues under different circumstances-- otherwise, we become mirror images of Fred Phelps.

Any emotion we feel toward another person is never "forced" on us (e.g., "he *made* me angry..."), rather, it's always a choice we alone make (e.g., "I *allowed* myself to get angry justified by his action").
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rndmprsn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-12-08 08:00 AM
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24. i am going to try to balance condolances with bitterness...
he was what he was, just another cog in the GOP machine...but that said, i always felt tony was a nice guy even while yelling at the TV.
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Maddy McCall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-12-08 08:04 AM
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25. Cancer touches many families. It has touched mine.
I have nothing but sympathy and wishes for peace for his family.

Very sad.
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FloridaJudy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-12-08 08:04 AM
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26. Not unexpected
He'd been looking really ill for a long time. My condolences to his family - I hope his last days were comfortable at least. I wasn't a fan, but that's an awful way to die.

When I first saw the headline, for some reason I thought it said Tony Blair had died, which really startled me.
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wisteria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-12-08 08:05 AM
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27. I am sad to hear that he has lost his battle with cancer.
I didn't care much for his politics or his defense of Bush, but it is a shame that this dreaded disease has taken his life at 53. May he have peace and my condolences to his family.
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MaineDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-12-08 08:08 AM
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29. Condolences to his family
They did nothing wrong and are grieving now.

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leapinggnome Donating Member (51 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-12-08 08:10 AM
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30. A Special Seat at the Table
I'm sorry that anyone dies in this manner. Cancer is a terrible way to go...

Still, if there is a Hell, there's a special seat with Tony Snow's name on it.

If there is Karma, perhaps he will be reincarnated as someone who can only tell the truth no matter what kind of trouble it gets him into.


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DogPoundPup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-12-08 08:13 AM
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31. High profile figures dying so young from cancer ...
Can we get some REAL cancer CURES now?
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dropkickpa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-12-08 12:41 PM
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145. Well, Bush and his buds slashed research funding
But, researchers ARE trying to continue on. One of my big hopes is that once we have a Dem in office, a push can be made to restore funds.
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hedgehog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-12-08 05:55 PM
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197. That slash in funding is one of the big stories that is being ignored.
We're going to be tripping over the remains of Bush's blow-out for years. Start with global climate change and work your way down the list. We are so close to real cures and treatments for so many diseases. Bush's cuts have condemned thousands, if not millions to unnecessary pain and death. It'll be like getting TB in 1943 before the right antibiotics were found.
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dropkickpa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-12-08 07:55 PM
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205. Completely ignored
And the most insidious thing about it is that this year they didn't "technically" cut anything, they froze the budget which, over the last five years with inflation, increased research costs, and previous cuts and freezes, is equal to billions of research dollars lost. There's a whole lot of promising research avenues that just AREN'T being pursued because the money just isn't there. I personally know 5 investigators who have left the country in order to seek out better funding. Researchers are scared, even in my field (cancer research) which has fairly secure non-governmental funding sources (foundations, etc). Without NIH funding, though, a lot is being cut back on. It provides a backbone for researchers to build upon, and without that, the piecemeal grants they get from other sources just don't cover costs.
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DrZeeLit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-12-08 08:17 AM
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34. Way too young. Didn't agree with his politics, but he was a smart, witty guy. Peace to his family.
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tishaLA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-12-08 08:23 AM
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38. my best to his family
etc etc etc
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stlsaxman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-12-08 08:25 AM
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39. Goodbye, Tony and godspeed.
I cannot bring myself say anything bad about his life. I loved throwing shit at the teevee and screaming at all the stupid things he said.

Truthfully, i will miss him.
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CBHagman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-12-08 08:27 AM
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41. How terribly sad.
I'm so sorry to hear that. I was hoping he would be able to fight it back into remission.

May his family find peace, and may his soul as well.
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sazemisery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-12-08 08:27 AM
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42. Peace unto his family
I'm sure the stress of his lies hastened his condition. That is all.
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Demonaut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-12-08 08:37 AM
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46. R.I.P Tony
terribly sad
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Benhurst Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-12-08 08:51 AM
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50. He leaves an extraordinary legacy.
The evil that men do lives after them, The good is oft interred with their bones.

-William Shakespeare
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SaveOurSovereignty Donating Member (103 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-12-08 08:53 AM
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51. condolences to his family
Although being a cheer leader for evil, his family deserves the kindness and respect that anyone else should.


http://youtube.com/watch?v=tmFXLxAVsw0
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yasmina27 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-12-08 08:53 AM
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52. At least his family had time to prepare
I don't mean that in a nasty way. My 50 yo BIL died suddenly in May. No one was expecting it, and my sister is still in shock. On the other hand, when my father died 2 1/2 yrs. ago, we had 6 weeks from the time of his diagnosis to his death to adjust to the thought that he wasn't going to be with us for long.

Until the death of my BIL, I always said that when it's my time, I want to go quickly (I still say that I don't want to linger unresponsive on life support). I wanted to go real quick. After helping my sister through this though, imo, I'd rather have at least SOME time to say goodbye, to make sure everything is in order, and so on.

I don't think I'm explaining this well, so in a nutshell, I mean that I now believe that a wish for a sudden, painless death is selfish. Of course, very few of us have any choice in the matter.

So anyway, back to the OP.

RIP Tony. Now you know the truth of what your former employers did, and maybe you can help them from beyond to do the right things in the little time they have left in office.

Wishes of comfort and peace to his family.
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jimlup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-12-08 08:56 AM
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53. Politics aside
Snow seemed like a descent guy on personal level. I'm sorry for his family and friends' loss.
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DWilliamsamh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-12-08 09:00 AM
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55. Tony Snow Dies Of Cancer - AP
Edited on Sat Jul-12-08 08:50 AM by DWilliamsamh
Source: AP Via Yahoo News

By DOUGLASS K. DANIEL, Associated Press Writer
7 minutes ago



WASHINGTON - Tony Snow, a conservative writer and commentator who cheerfully sparred with reporters in the White House briefing room during a stint as President Bush's press secretary, died Saturday of colon cancer. He was 53.

"America has lost a devoted public servant and a man of character," President Bush said in a statement from Camp David, where he was spending the weekend. "It was a joy to watch Tony at the podium each day. He brought wit, grace, and a great love of country to his work."

Snow, who served as the first host of the television news program "Fox News Sunday" from 1996 to 2003, would later say that while the Bush administration he was enjoying "the most exciting, intellectually aerobic job I'm ever going to have."



Read more: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080712/ap_on_re_us/obit_sn...



I COULDN'T STAND him from the podium or on Fox, but my sympathies to his family.
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DesertRat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-12-08 09:00 AM
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56. There are multiple posts on this subject already. n/t
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-12-08 09:00 AM
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57. Wow--I had forgotten about him. When did he stop making appearances?
I didn't know he was that close to the end. Oh well, RIP and condolences to his family.
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LibraLiz1973 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-12-08 11:09 AM
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115. I really thought he was on The Daily Show not too long ago?
Like in the last 6-7 months.
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Anexio Donating Member (284 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-12-08 09:00 AM
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58. My condolences
My condolences to his family.
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shayes51 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-12-08 09:00 AM
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59. Cancer is the real terrorism
of our time. I did not agree with his politics, but he seemed like a nice person, and I am sad.
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ncrainbowgrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-12-08 09:00 AM
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60. Rest in Peace, Mr. Snow
May you find peace.
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Greylyn58 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-12-08 10:09 AM
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81. My sympathies to his family.
As someone who has been touched by this terrible disease with my mom's breast cancer and just this year, my dog Sheridan lost part of his lower jaw to cancer. I can feel for his family.






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Kali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-12-08 02:34 PM
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167. "intellectually aerobic"
that sums up what his job was pretty damn well doesn't it?
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Doctor_J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-08 09:16 AM
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224. Yeesh. Would you people mourn Hitler's death too?
The entire * admin is a bunch of sociopathic killers. This guy was one of the worst. He laughed when reporters told him * was in violation of the Hatch Act. He called Obama "Slick Barry". He made millions off of lies, hatred, and terror.

Sorry. I cannot grieve.
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DWilliamsamh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-08 09:36 PM
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243. Sorry for you that you have so little humanity....
Snow was no Hitler. That you would use such hyperbole is passing ridiculous.

And my OP said I couldn't stand him in public life and I felt sorry for his FAMILY. Have you gone so far round the bend that your political animus has replaced every shred of human sympathy for even an "opponent's" family?

It must suck to be you.
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ncrainbowgrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-12-08 09:00 AM
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61. Rest in Peace, Mr. Snow
May you find the peace you desired.
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Politicub Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-12-08 09:01 AM
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62. RIP
Edited on Sat Jul-12-08 09:07 AM by Politicub
Even though Snow demeaned the role of press secretary by treating it as a talk radio gig, his death at such a young age is still a tragedy.
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shadowknows69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-12-08 09:07 AM
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64. Cancer is a cruel bastard
53 is too young for anyone. My condolences to the Snow family.
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DrFever Donating Member (10 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-12-08 10:11 AM
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83. Can we stop spending money on war and space travel
until we find a cure for things like cancer and aids. Also, I'm no greenie, so it pisses me off when people get bent out of shape over killing a tree or a snail when human beings are dying every day from diseases that I would have thought we should have cured by now.
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DrFever Donating Member (10 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-12-08 10:13 AM
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84. Sorry, will miss you Mr Snow. My bet to your family.
Sorry for the rant. summer cold. overly medicated.
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DrFever Donating Member (10 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-12-08 10:15 AM
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86. My BEST, I mean
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BearSquirrel2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-12-08 05:15 PM
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192. 2, 13, 16, 19, 23, 25, 33, 37, 42, 50 ...

All these ages are too young to die and this administration is probably killing a couple dozen a day in Iraq. Mr. Snow covered up for these crimes and actively encouraged them. So is 53 too young for death provocateur ... I don't think so. Mr. Snow's death is 9 years too late if you ask me.

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tularetom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-12-08 09:14 AM
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67. He had young kids - I feel badly for them
Although he was a glib mouthpiece for an administration that was both evil and incompetent he had not been heard from recently due to his illness. Truthfully I had pretty much forgotten about him. So his death really changes nothing for me.

Although I suppose faux news will elevate him to russert like status in order not to be outdone by NBC on the occasion of timmeh's death, it won't affect me either since I never turn them on.
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Danieljay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-12-08 09:19 AM
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69. Huh. Well, as much as I despised his politics, bless him and his family. 53 is way too young..
Damn.
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iamahaingttta Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-12-08 09:28 AM
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70. My condolences to his family.
That is all...
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Faith No More Donating Member (230 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-12-08 09:32 AM
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71. I didn't like him when he was alive, why should I feel differently now that he's dead?
Edited on Sat Jul-12-08 10:00 AM by Faith No More
Sympathy for his family??? How much sympathy do think they felt for all the sons and daughters that returned from Iraq in body bags? This man's lies helped to perpetuate this shameful, illegal war and I think it's high time those on the conservative side get to experience a little grief. I don't feel any sympathy for them because they don't give a tinker's damn for us.
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Robb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-12-08 10:37 AM
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92. Er, welcome to DU?
:shrug:

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Danmel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-12-08 09:38 AM
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73. The coverage on NYC radio was fawning

They said he charmed the "always picky" Washington Press Corp. Isn't that their job? To ask questions and not to fawn?
I obviously did not know him personally and he did show admirable courage in the face of a horrible disease, which he had a really tough battle with, but he also was a mouthpiece for a morally bankrupt administration.

I hope that at least before he died, he made personal atonement for the things he did, like Lee Atwater did.

53 is very young to die. perhaps given more time, he'd have come into the light.

Still, sympathy to his family and children.
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Rainbowreflect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-12-08 09:47 AM
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75. My sympathy to his friends and family.
I would not wish cancer on my worst enemy & he was far from the worst.
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greyghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-12-08 09:57 AM
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77. I'll take the high road and simply say RIP.
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MindPilot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-12-08 09:57 AM
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78. Of all the smarmy little twerps in the BFEE,
Tony always seemed to me like he was a bit out of place. To me he always appeared awkward like he really didn't get comfortable with his position. I think the stress of having to go in front of the people lie for his bosses--make no mistake, we all do it; most of us just don't do it on TV--took it's toll on Tony.

During one of my hospital stays, the guy in the next bed had colon cancer. I would not wish that on anyone.

My sympathies to his friends and family.
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blogslut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-12-08 10:08 AM
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80. Death is a bastard
My condolences to his family.
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Blue Gardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-12-08 10:18 AM
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87. Cancer is a horrible disease
My condolences to his family. I don't wish this disease on anyone.
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Herman74 Donating Member (429 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-12-08 10:24 AM
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89. "What a Hero!" -- Stephen Colbert
"And, of course, we cant forget the man of the hour, new press secretary, Tony Snow. Secret Service name, 'Snow Job.' Toughest job. What a hero! Took the second toughest job in government, next to, of course, the ambassador to Iraq." -- Stephen Colbert
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-12-08 10:35 AM
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mitchum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-12-08 11:01 AM
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107. Your concern is noted
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KurtK Donating Member (7 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-12-08 11:12 AM
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121. Thanks
I'm hoping that somebody might be impressed.

I'm all for passionate fights in the arena of ideas but there is a time and a place for everything.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-12-08 11:02 AM
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Lost-in-FL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-12-08 11:05 AM
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112. FO dude
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KurtK Donating Member (7 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-12-08 11:10 AM
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116. Good one!
The only reply you'll get from me is that you're not worthy of a reply. Have a nice day!
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Lost-in-FL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-12-08 11:11 AM
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120. ...
Edited on Sat Jul-12-08 11:13 AM by Lost-in-FL
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rox63 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-12-08 10:37 AM
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91. Condolences to his family and loved ones
May they find comfort with each other in their grief.

I didn't agree with his politics. But he was a skilled sparring partner on the podium, even if he was spreading BushCo lies.
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laylah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-12-08 10:40 AM
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95. My condolences to his
family and loved ones. Although I certainly disagreed with his politics and lying for *dumbass and his minions, I do not celebrate his passing. Too young and a tragic way to go :cry:
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KurtK Donating Member (7 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-12-08 11:01 AM
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105. I suppose it might make you feel magnanimous but....
This type of qualified "condolence" is only marginally better than those posts that openly celebrate his death. This is a prime opportunity to show class or to at the least, practice the art of "if you can't say something nice....."
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mitchum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-12-08 10:52 AM
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100. He has already done great damage; to applaud his death is pointless
and also impolite, I guess
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DailyGrind51 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-12-08 10:52 AM
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101. When ANY cancer patient dies, part of me dies with him or her.
Being clear for 26 years now is a great thing, let me be clear about that, but fear comes with each yearly tumor marker screening that the "shark is back in the water". Learning about Ted Kennedy's brain tumor, and now, Tony Snow's death after a recurrence, provides grim reminders that nothing is certain and that each day is its own reward.
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PleadTheFirst Donating Member (451 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-12-08 10:56 AM
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No gravedancing here.
My condolences to Tony Snow's family, and my sympathy to the man himself in his passing. Regardless of what he did in life, colon cancer is a hell of a way to go (I lost my mother to it years ago).
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City Lights Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-12-08 10:56 AM
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102. RIP, Tony.
My condolences to your loved ones.
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Lost-in-FL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-12-08 11:03 AM
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109. Another one bites the dust...
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jobycom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-12-08 11:04 AM
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111. And Tony Snow is no longer in this story. RIP, Tony. Sincere condolences to the family.
One of my bosses just had a major relapse following colon cancer. It's everywhere. Doctor told him that ten years ago he'd have been given six months, but now there's hope. Hope. Hope you don't die. Hope you'll get to take that trip to the lake you'd been planning. Hope those who know you don't have to watch your body devastated for the next six months.

No decent person can celebrate when cancer wins. Gravedancers are worse than Republicans.
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VP505 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-12-08 11:07 AM
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114. May he RIP
"I'll keep my big mouth shut." So will I!
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Eurobabe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-12-08 11:10 AM
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117. No grave dancing, this is really sad, colon cancer is ugly.
No one deserves to die from this, (well, perhaps except a select few) Certainly not Tony Snow. RIP Tony.
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pink-o Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-12-08 11:10 AM
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118. I found myself choking with tears when I first heard his cancer was back. And I despised Tony Snow!
But that's what makes us liberals: we're supposed to be empathetic--and I thought about his wife and kids soldiering on without their dad. You knew when you saw him last year that he wasn't going to last much longer, regardless of the forced optimism.

Anyway, my point is that you don't have to like or even respect someone to feel bad about their passing--not if you think of those who care about them, not if you've ever lost anyone close to you and you know how it feels! We can show respect for the living and not add to their pain. You wouldn't want it done to you, right????

However...one caveat: if Dick Cheney were to die tomorrow, I'd probably gloat and grave-dance my ass off!! We must always rejoice when evil is removed and the citizens can come out into the light again.
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CountAllVotes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-12-08 11:11 AM
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119. RIP Tony Snow
you were too young to die. I just hate cancer! :mad: You and your family will be in my thoughts and prayers Tony.

:dem:

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Taverner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-12-08 11:14 AM
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122. Fuck. I hate when cancer takes another person!
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tuckessee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-12-08 11:27 AM
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127. Maybe he can now meet some of the people his lies killed. n/t
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Akoto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-12-08 11:32 AM
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129. I would not wish this fate on anyone, no matter their name.
I watched my grandfather fight a losing battle with cancer when I was young, and those images of him in the hospital have never left my mind. My thoughts are with Mr. Snow's family today.
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ellie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-12-08 11:34 AM
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131. 53 is too young
My condolences to his family.
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bluevoter4life Donating Member (387 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-12-08 11:43 AM
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132. Condolences to the family
No one deserves to die this way. No one. Cancer is an awful, painful illness that effects everyone involved. Those of you who are dancing on his grave should be ashamed of yourselves. I thought DUers were better than that. May Tony rest in peace and condolences to his family and friends.
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Jack Rabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-12-08 11:52 AM
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134. ( )
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-12-08 11:57 AM
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happygoluckytoyou Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-12-08 11:58 AM
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136. Welcome to REAGANLAND.....WHERE EVERY DEAD REPUBLICAN IS A non-discussed, respectable, loved HERO
sorry snow------- his bullshit lies and smarmy face caused the deaths of soldiers, the ignoring of global warming, the spreading of disinformation.

poor poor hitler... we will miss him... let's not speak ill of the dead... he was probably just some misunderstood painter who caused millions to die

poor poor snow....

SORRY...

probably NOT a good DAY to discuss him... and certainly it is not his family's fault... i am saddened by the loss they must feel

BUT FOR EVERYTHING THIS PUG-REPUBLICAN MOUTHPIECE LIED ABOUT... sad but true

-------by the way.... take a moment today to tell Cheney, Bush, Rummy, Rice, Powell, etc to FUCK OFF. they will die some day and you dont want to miss this golden opportunity while they are still here
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Igel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-12-08 05:40 PM
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196. I go with Ezekiel 33 on this one.
Indeed, whenever I hear about any death. Even Palestinian or Pakhtun suicide bombers.

"Say unto them, As I live, saith the Lord GOD, I have no pleasure in the death of the wicked; but that the wicked turn from his way and live: turn ye, turn ye from your evil ways; for why will ye die, O house of Israel?

"Therefore, thou son of man, say unto the children of thy people, The righteousness of the righteous shall not deliver him in the day of his transgression: as for the wickedness of the wicked, he shall not fall thereby in the day that he turneth from his wickedness; neither shall the righteous be able to live for his righteousness in the day that he sinneth."


There is justice: The sinner should die, a starving person should be punished for stealing bread for his children. There is love and mercy: The sinner should stop sinning and be virtuous, but when we see a starving person steal, we should feel sympathy. Unless I'm completely cynical and closed-minded, when a starving person has to steal I can only infer that those with enough, including me, failed to do their duty and help. It means that with death also comes the cessation of any hope of having that person stop doing wrong and start doing right. This goes for every death. Even Stalin's, even Hitler's, even, when the time comes, Mugabe's. The amount I mourn a death isn't contingent on how I judge that person's life, but on the amount of attention I give that person's death.

One doesn't need to find pleasure in another's death--in fact, one shouldn't, ever, it diminishes the person finding pleasure and renders him/her less human. But there's also justice, and the appropriate word for seeing it accomplished isn't "pleasure", I think, but "satisfaction". If you find pleasure in seeing a person caged like an animal, there's something wrong. But that's second place in my system of values--an essential second place, to be sure, but still second.
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happydreams Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-08 04:10 PM
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236. Bible thumping freeptard is what you sound like.
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happydreams Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-08 04:09 PM
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235. nice first name. Good post too.
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thewiseguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-12-08 12:02 PM
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137. May he RIP
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Olney Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-12-08 12:05 PM
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138. My condolences to Mr. Snow's family.
:-(
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Mad_Dem_X Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-12-08 12:05 PM
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139. Condolences to the family.
That's all I am going to say.
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Ichingcarpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-12-08 12:07 PM
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140. He was" just a number"
RIP.... just quoting the deceased about the his comment on the death of American troops
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MidwestTransplant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-12-08 12:22 PM
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142. Condolences to his family. Also I think it's kinds of funny that the
Faux News.com website, in it's eulogy, says that he often was critical of Bush before joining the White House.
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-12-08 12:34 PM
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144. my sympathy to his family
I'll plead the 5th on any further comments
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dropkickpa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-12-08 12:45 PM
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146. 53 is young, get your colonoscopies people!
Hopefully health coverage for all will help people get this life saving diagnostic test.
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Ms. Toad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-12-08 12:54 PM
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147. Particularly if you have ulcerative colitis
Edited on Sat Jul-12-08 12:56 PM by Ms. Toad
as Tony Snow did. (Or a family history - as he also did)

My daughter (age 17) had three colonoscopies because of this illness before I had my first one. One you have passed the 8-10 year mark with this illness, the recommendation is that you have one every other year (some recommend every year). The risk to her, at age 15 (diagnosis + 10 years) exceeded the risk of someone at age 50 - my next one is scheduled for 10 years out - her next one is next summer.

For my own peace of mind, I wish I could find out how regularly he was having colonoscopies to make sure my daughter is having them more frequently than he was.

(Edited to add relative risks)
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Sugarcoated Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-14-08 12:26 AM
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245. I've been trying to find out if he had regular colonoscopies
in the years before he was diagnosed. I thought I heard he had been, which scared the hell out of me, but if he had ulcerative colitis it makes sense. My sister died in her late 30's from colon cancer and my brothers and I get colonoscopies every 3 years. None of us have UC. After his last colonscopy my bro was found to have diverticulosis, which is not as severe as the more commonly known diverticulitis, and I've had a couple polyps removed.

I hate the prep sooo much that I've been putting it off so it's getting closer to 4 years since the last one, but this sad news combined with the new findings about the harder to spot flat lesions that have been found to be even more likely to cause cancer than polyps, the procrastinating stops toorrow morning.

Ms. Toad - I made my daughter get her first colonoscopy at 23. Not only did my sis pass from it, but 3 people have died from it in her dad's family.
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Ms. Toad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-14-08 08:26 AM
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246. My daughter was not yet 5
when she had her first. As long as she has to have UC, I'm glad that she reached the high risk category while she is still under my control (and health insurance) to get the habit of regular colonoscopies ingrained.

The flat lesions are the ones associated with UC - so they've been specifically looking for them with my daughter, and I've always known they were a particular cancer risk for her (and anyone else with UC). I'm actually pretty shocked that the association between flat lesions and cancer was considered news a couple of months ago. Any GI doc should have known that at least 13 years ago - and probably a lot longer - since it was one of the early things I knew about my daughter's illness. It's hard to tell from the articles, but perhaps the "news" is that they are also common in non-UC patients.

Good luck with your test. As to your brother's diverticulosis - unfortunately most Americans don't eat enough fiber, and end up with diverticulosis (which can become diverticulitis when things get trapped in the diverticulosis pockets and the pockets get inflamed). I've got a bit myself (and my grandmother was plagued by diverticulitis).
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Gman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-12-08 12:57 PM
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148. May his soul
and all the souls of the faithful departed rest in peace. Amen.
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tblue37 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-12-08 12:58 PM
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149. Actually, I am not at all sure this is "news" in the sense of being
Edited on Sat Jul-12-08 12:59 PM by tblue37
worth commenting on. He is no longer the press secretary for the ChenyBush administration. We all knew he had cancer and that it had spread. We knew, when we thought about it, that he pobably would not live very long. I would think that a brief notice, without comment, would suffice to inform us on DU that he has died. No reason to clog up the DU boards with constant reference to and chewing over the fact of his death. We have other news and other issues that are much more worth discussing.
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BOHICA06 Donating Member (886 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-12-08 12:59 PM
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150. He was a worthy opponent - and a faithful Christian
His Words

Blessings arrive in unexpected packagesin my case, cancer.

Those of us with potentially fatal diseasesand there are millions in America todayfind ourselves in the odd position of coping with our mortality while trying to fathom God's will. Although it would be the height of presumption to declare with confidence What It All Means, Scripture provides powerful hints and consolations.

The first is that we shouldn't spend too much time trying to answer the why questions: Why me? Why must people suffer? Why can't someone else get sick? We can't answer such things, and the questions themselves often are designed more to express our anguish than to solicit an answer.

I don't know why I have cancer, and I don't much care. It is what it isa plain and indisputable fact. Yet even while staring into a mirror darkly, great and stunning truths begin to take shape. Our maladies define a central feature of our existence: We are fallen. We are imperfect. Our bodies give out.

But despite thisbecause of itGod offers the possibility of salvation and grace. We don't know how the narrative of our lives will end, but we get to choose how to use the interval between now and the moment we meet our Creator face-to-face.

Second, we need to get past the anxiety. The mere thought of dying can send adrenaline flooding through your system. A dizzy, unfocused panic seizes you. Your heart thumps; your head swims. You think of nothingness and swoon. You fear partings; you worry about the impact on family and friends. You fidget and get nowhere.

To regain footing, remember that we were born not into death, but into lifeand that the journey continues after we have finished our days on this earth. We accept this on faith, but that faith is nourished by a conviction that stirs even within many nonbelieving heartsan intuition that the gift of life, once given, cannot be taken away. Those who have been stricken enjoy the special privilege of being able to fight with their might, main, and faith to livefully, richly, exuberantlyno matter how their days may be numbered.

Third, we can open our eyes and hearts. God relishes surprise. We want lives of simple, predictable easesmooth, even trails as far as the eye can seebut God likes to go off-road. He provokes us with twists and turns. He places us in predicaments that seem to defy our endurance and comprehensionand yet don't. By his love and grace, we persevere. The challenges that make our hearts leap and stomachs churn invariably strengthen our faith and grant measures of wisdom and joy we would not experience otherwise.
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Arugula Latte Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-12-08 01:13 PM
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153. Isn't that nice. A faithful Christian who enabled the slaughter of innocent Iraqis.
How Christian of him.
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frylock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-12-08 01:13 PM
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154. he lied to me daily
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bluestateguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-12-08 01:20 PM
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155. I extend my condolences to his family
I sensed that he was a nice man who just had the wrong politics.
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skepticscott Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-12-08 09:03 PM
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209. He "had" the wrong politics?
Sorry, but you don't "have" politics like you "have" a headache. His politics were 100% of his own choosing, developed over a lifetime of considering all of the possible options, and let's face it, he choose some pretty screwed up ones.
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bluestateguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-12-08 09:12 PM
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210. Uh Oh!!! Here come the "Soft on Bush" police, ever-ready to enforce discipline
And always alert to any sign of conciliation.
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skepticscott Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-12-08 09:40 PM
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212. Are you going to answer my points with anything substantial of your own
or are you just going to slap labels on people? You can say whatever you want and defend your statements any way you want, so how is that "discipline"? If you can't defend what you say, consider it being educated, not disciplined.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-12-08 01:25 PM
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Stand and Fight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-12-08 01:28 PM
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157. Condolences to his family. n/t
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a la izquierda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-12-08 01:39 PM
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159. Condolences to his family, especially his
children.
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-12-08 01:52 PM
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160. RIP Mr.Snow, my condolences to your family and friends. eom
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Baby Snooks Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-12-08 01:56 PM
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161. The flacks...
He was just one of the flacks. Media manipulators for hire. Spin machines. I have often wondered how they manage to sleep at night.

To them, it is just a job. They are hired to paint the pretty pictures. But sometimes in order to paint the picture you have to share the visualization of it and I suspect Tony Snow more than anyone else was a perfect example of that.

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Jed Dilligan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-12-08 02:01 PM
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162. I'll say something nice
He wasn't quite as bad as Ari Fleischer.
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greyghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-12-08 02:26 PM
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165. Very true!
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Kali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-12-08 02:17 PM
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163. He was a paid liar for the worst administration in our history.
But he was a human with a family that presumably cared for him. I wouldn't wish that kind of death on very many people.
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TomInTib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-12-08 02:23 PM
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164. Rest in Peace, Mr Snow.
:rofl:
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TomInTib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-12-08 04:48 PM
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190. Just joking
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minnesota_liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-12-08 02:37 PM
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168. If he were still alive I could say ...
that Tony was a filthy, lying bastard who devoted his later years to spewing propaganda for fascists and miscreants.

But since he just died, it would be rude to do anything except offer my condolences to his family.
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Blue Diadem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-12-08 02:43 PM
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169. His children must be around 11, 12 & 15 now. Their Dad is gone forever.
That makes me really sad. I am sorry for their loss and what they've had to see and endure at a young age. Losing a parent is hard anytime, but moreso for those who are young and need their parents. They have their lifetime ahead of them with so many milestones; birthdays, getting drivers licenses, proms, graduations, weddings, all without their father.

May they and his wife find comfort and may Mr. Snow RIP.
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-12-08 02:43 PM
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170. My condolences to his family. He was so young and it is an awful way to go.
Edited on Sat Jul-12-08 02:46 PM by saracat
RIP Mr. Snow.I hoped he had beaten this. I remember how gracious he was to the Edwards family and Elizabeth, He was a gentleman.
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chatnoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-12-08 03:46 PM
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175. I saw him on Bill Maher maybe back in January
And I remember being shocked at the time that someone battling what is usually a death-sentence illness (my father passed this March from it) would not have learned anything about life. His illness and what he went through obviously not having taught him anything about compassion, humility or empathy. But there he was, Tony Snow. As hateful and arrogant as ever.
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skepticscott Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-12-08 03:58 PM
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176. Sorry, but I just don't get it
Ok, I understand why people here don't want to say anything bad about the guy after he's dead, but whence the overwhelming need of the people on this board to publicly express grief and sympathy over the death of someone that most (if not all) of them never met, never spoke to and didn't know, and who stood for things that they hate and despise? And the condolences to his family? If you did happen to know them personally, why not just express your condolences personally and privately, and if you didn't, why post them here, where his family will never see them?

Tony Snow was not the only person who died yesterday. He was not the only person who died of cancer. Or who died young. Or who left behind family and friends that will miss him. How many of those others have the people here posted public grief and condolences for? What in the world earns Tony Snow special feelings or consideration on this board, above and beyond anyone else? Why not just let him lie and say nothing, and save your pity for the people who have suffered and died because of Bush administration policies that Snow helped promote?
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LeftyMom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-12-08 04:11 PM
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186. It's the ostentatious show of compassion, meant to be seen.
It's a potlatch, only with ostentatious displays of insincere grief rather than potentially ruinous redistribution of property, but the idea is still the same, to compete through excessive generosity.
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seriousstan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-12-08 04:06 PM
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177. dupe
Edited on Sat Jul-12-08 03:47 PM by seriousstan
Source: dupe

dupe

No link yet.
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AllyCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-12-08 04:06 PM
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178. My condolences to his family. n/t
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HEyHEY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-12-08 04:06 PM
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179. Is god trying to sway the media coverage of this election?
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wallwriter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-12-08 04:06 PM
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180. Let's do a tribute to Tony Snow by...
checking the factual accuracy of his many statements.
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ellenfl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-12-08 04:06 PM
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181. rip, tony snow. eom
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Arugula Latte Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-12-08 04:06 PM
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182. My condolences ... to the Iraqis who have died because of the neocons.
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populistdriven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-12-08 04:06 PM
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183. Tony Snow questioned about Keith Olbermann at GOP Debate
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FKFBxQT1T2U

Tony Snow was asked if President Bush knew why Republicans were "tolerating" permitting Keith Olbermann to be part of the coverage of the Republican debate at the Ronald Reagan library since Olbermann has called Republicans "the leading terrorist group in this country and whether the President thought they should.
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galledgoblin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-12-08 04:16 PM
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188. that's rough
I'm hardly going to shed any tears, but you'll see no gravedancing from me. he seemed like a decent guy, even if I disagreed with his politics.
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skepticscott Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-12-08 04:43 PM
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189. Don't forget
He (or his masters) paid image consultants a crapload of money to make him seem like a decent guy, but he stood for and supported everything that Bush and Cheney do, and I wouldn't apply the term decent to either of them...
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BearSquirrel2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-12-08 05:12 PM
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191. A fond farewell Mr. Snow ...

If there is someplace you go after death, I home George Carlin is there waiting to kick your ass.

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tammywammy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-12-08 05:18 PM
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193. My condolences to his family
It's always tough to lose a loved one. My prayers for them during this difficult time.
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LiberalFighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-12-08 05:22 PM
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194. Lee Atwater a much better man after giving up his dirty tricks.
Edited on Sat Jul-12-08 05:23 PM by LiberalFighter
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RamboLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-12-08 06:34 PM
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199. My sympathies to his family
And that's about all I can say. I'll listen to what my mother taught me on this one.
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DerekG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-12-08 06:42 PM
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200. Mr. Snow, meet Mr. Fire
Another fascist bites the dust. None too soon.
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crim son Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-12-08 06:42 PM
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201. I'm sorry for this.
In the end, we are all the same.
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superconnected Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-12-08 11:40 PM
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218. No. Some of us leave a legacy of killing and torture, and others leave
Edited on Sat Jul-12-08 11:45 PM by superconnected
a legacy of the never harming others and even making the planet a better place.

We are not the same under any religion, karma, or the legacy we leave behind from the acts we've done.

If you die you will not leave behind your footprints of causing a hundred thousand to die and their future generations not to be born. That is his legacy. Your footprints will not leave that much harm that keeps on giving when you die. If there is nothing else when you die then what you are has to be measured why what you've done on earth while you lived. You two are not the same. Nor will you be remembered the same after you've gone.
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crim son Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-08 12:53 PM
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226. I cannot disagree.
I was thinking of final moments, the suffering of the body, and the cessation of consciousness.
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Flagg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-12-08 07:37 PM
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202. We have no right to rejoice over this.
But what about the man whose entire family was slaughtered by american bombings in Iraq ? Snow, as Bush's spokesman, bears a responsibility.



So what about this Iraqi man ?

A lot of people in this country (and on this blog) rejoiced when Saddam and his henchmen were killed.
Or is rejoicing at the death of your ennemies only reserved for americans ?
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-12-08 08:07 PM
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206. Condolences to his family, good riddance to a fucking liar.
NT!

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Jacquot72 Donating Member (3 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-12-08 10:51 PM
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214. Re: Condolences to his family, good riddance to a fucking liar.
ditto
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superconnected Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-12-08 11:38 PM
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217. I third that.
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superconnected Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-12-08 11:37 PM
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215. Meet your maker and all the people you helped kill Tony.
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MrSlayer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-08 12:28 AM
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219. That's too young to go .
I feel bad for his family.
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skepticscott Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-08 02:10 PM
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227. The families of many of the people
he helped to send to their deaths in Iraq would have been delighted to see their loved one live to 53 instead of dying at 23.
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MrSlayer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-08 07:09 PM
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239. True but Snow didn't order any of the deaths.
I don't think he can be held personally responsible simply for being a messenger.
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skepticscott Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-08 08:06 PM
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242. He was not a messenger
he was an enabler. His job was to lie to the media and the public about what was going on in Iraq and deflect any criticism of the president's policies. He supported those policies fully and did his job with relish.
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WriteDown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-08 04:02 PM
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230. Seemed like a really genuine guy....
Woefully misguided, but genuine. I refuse to feel hatred for anyone like that. Godspeed Tony.
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skepticscott Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-08 08:04 PM
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241. OMG are you serious?
His JOB was to stand up in front of the world every day and spin, dissemble and lie his ass off about what his bosses had done. How in the world do you figure he was "genuine"?
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happydreams Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-08 04:13 PM
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237. Compassion thieves strike again...
Edited on Sun Jul-13-08 04:17 PM by happydreams
What in the flying fuck is with all of the newby freeperish types jumping
on this topic trying to rip off peoples compassion for their boy. Saying Snow was "misguided", or "naive", blah blah...BULLSHIT!!

Tony Snow was an asshole fascist enabler in life that I didn't respect. he knew exactly what he was doing. In death I feel the same way about him. :puke:
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Savannah_H Donating Member (123 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-13-08 09:50 PM
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244. sad news
I thought he was going to make it. That's sad news.
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MrsBrady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-14-08 08:58 AM
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247. I can't believe I'm even chiming in here on this...
but here goes:

I don't agree with Snow's politics. I have no respect for anyone who would work for the Bush crime family or this corrupt administration.
But I certainly never wished the guy ill will.
I'm sure his family is upset. I've certainly lost loved ones, so I'm sure they are hurting.

I loved my grandfather. And he was THE hardest working, loyal, steadfast, tender-hearted person you would ever meet. But when he was angry he was probably the meanest person I've ever known. Yikes.
He was a great guy, but he was also at times a real ass and down right mean. But he never lied for others, and would never have worked for the likes of W.

Death doesn't change who people were. It only magnifies it, because we are left with the consequences of the life they led.

But certainly the media has a field day when a conservative passes. They use it as a tool for their agenda. That's pretty sick. But it's also not surprising.

Just because Snow was an ass, doesn't mean his family doesn't miss him. My grandfather was a big ass, and I sure do miss him.
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