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Bragi
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Thu Jul-03-08 03:40 PM Original message |
| Obama Might ‘Refine’ Iraq Timeline |
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| WriteDown
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Thu Jul-03-08 03:42 PM Response to Original message |
| 1. ARE YOU KIDDING??? |
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| SlammerBC
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Thu Jul-03-08 04:11 PM Response to Reply #1 |
| 14. Wake up, smell the roses |
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jgraz
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Thu Jul-03-08 04:12 PM Response to Reply #14 |
| 18. No. They're not all the same. |
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The Doctor.
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Thu Jul-03-08 06:49 PM Response to Reply #18 |
| 66. Uhh... precisely what "shit" has Obama 'pulled'? |
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PittPoliSci
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Fri Jul-04-08 03:44 PM Response to Reply #66 |
| 103. how about continued triangulation? |
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The Doctor.
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Fri Jul-04-08 07:53 PM Response to Reply #103 |
| 106. You're confusing voters for TPTB. |
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PittPoliSci
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Fri Jul-04-08 08:12 PM Response to Reply #106 |
| 107. well, if he can't win voters by the strength of his own convictions... |
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The Doctor.
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Fri Jul-04-08 08:21 PM Response to Reply #107 |
| 108. Apparently you haven't been paying attention. "It's the Media, stupid." |
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PittPoliSci
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Sat Jul-05-08 09:49 PM Response to Reply #108 |
| 113. oh i'm still 100% behind him. |
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The Doctor.
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Sun Jul-06-08 12:21 AM Response to Reply #113 |
| 116. If you were paying attention, |
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PittPoliSci
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Sun Jul-06-08 03:42 AM Response to Reply #116 |
| 118. right. the media is forcing him to say all that stuff. |
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The Doctor.
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Sun Jul-06-08 02:05 PM Response to Reply #118 |
| 119. All what stuff? You means everything he's said all along? |
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PittPoliSci
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Sun Jul-06-08 10:36 PM Response to Reply #119 |
| 127. yeah, but he said he wasn't going to play that game. |
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| ryanmuegge
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Sat Jul-05-08 10:20 PM Response to Reply #66 |
| 115. Yeah, but the Republicans have the press on their side, so flip-flops aren't flip-flops for them. |
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Skittles
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Thu Jul-03-08 07:49 PM Response to Reply #14 |
| 78. well, they are all politicians |
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Voltaire99
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Tue Jul-08-08 12:56 PM Response to Reply #14 |
| 128. Shocked, shocked to find flipflopping is going on in here! |
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redqueen
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Thu Jul-03-08 04:43 PM Response to Reply #1 |
| 39. In that they all want to get in office... well... yeah. |
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peace13
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Thu Jul-03-08 06:47 PM Response to Reply #1 |
| 65. Hey welcome to Du and relax. |
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Arkana
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Thu Jul-03-08 06:55 PM Response to Reply #1 |
| 68. Perhaps you should actually read into the issue before knee-jerking. |
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| downindixie
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Thu Jul-03-08 07:03 PM Response to Reply #1 |
| 71. Barrack beat the Clintons and that enough for |
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mike_c
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Thu Jul-03-08 03:44 PM Response to Original message |
| 2. words fail me.... |
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The Doctor.
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Thu Jul-03-08 06:45 PM Response to Reply #2 |
| 64. So does comprehension, apparently. Are you actually fooled by this? |
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mike_c
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Thu Jul-03-08 07:16 PM Response to Reply #64 |
| 72. see my comments down thread on the "easy way out...." |
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The Doctor.
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Thu Jul-03-08 07:36 PM Response to Reply #72 |
| 76. Right, but that's not the point, nor is it the hype that you've apparently bought into. |
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mike_c
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Thu Jul-03-08 07:45 PM Response to Reply #76 |
| 77. I'm not disgusted by his "reversal" at all.... |
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The Doctor.
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Thu Jul-03-08 07:56 PM Response to Reply #77 |
| 80. Right, you've fallen for it. |
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mcollier
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Thu Jul-03-08 08:07 PM Response to Reply #2 |
| 81. Swayed easily by the MSM are you? |
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mike_c
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Thu Jul-03-08 08:13 PM Response to Reply #81 |
| 82. um-- which attempt to define Obama would that be...? |
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ronnykmarshall
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Thu Jul-03-08 03:49 PM Response to Original message |
| 3. Oh dear. |
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mitchtv
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Thu Jul-03-08 05:03 PM Response to Reply #3 |
| 50. heh |
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ronnykmarshall
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Fri Jul-04-08 10:41 AM Response to Reply #50 |
| 92. I think Obama is right with his words. |
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alcibiades_mystery
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Thu Jul-03-08 05:38 PM Response to Reply #3 |
| 56. Tickled pink? |
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ronnykmarshall
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Fri Jul-04-08 10:40 AM Response to Reply #56 |
| 91. Oh shut up. |
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alcibiades_mystery
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Fri Jul-04-08 06:21 PM Response to Reply #91 |
| 104. Yeah, you sound over it |
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ronnykmarshall
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Fri Jul-04-08 08:59 PM Response to Reply #104 |
| 111. Oh Miss Cleo |
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| gateley
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Thu Jul-03-08 03:50 PM Response to Original message |
| 4. It's a reasonable and realistic approach. |
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mike_c
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Thu Jul-03-08 03:55 PM Response to Reply #4 |
| 5. there is absolutely NOTHING reasonable or realistic about prolonging... |
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| qazplm
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Thu Jul-03-08 04:06 PM Response to Reply #5 |
| 10. what's all possible speed mean |
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mike_c
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Thu Jul-03-08 04:24 PM Response to Reply #10 |
| 29. "isn't the tiniest part talking to the commanders...?" |
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| gateley
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Thu Jul-03-08 04:39 PM Response to Reply #29 |
| 37. I agree with your statement about there being no justification for |
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mike_c
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Thu Jul-03-08 05:01 PM Response to Reply #37 |
| 49. Of course I don't expect that we could stop "today..." |
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| Zhade
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Sun Jul-06-08 06:27 PM Response to Reply #29 |
| 120. I agree with you completely. |
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| gateley
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Thu Jul-03-08 04:07 PM Response to Reply #5 |
| 11. Is he prolonging it? |
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mike_c
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Thu Jul-03-08 04:28 PM Response to Reply #11 |
| 31. see #29.... |
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Bragi
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Thu Jul-03-08 03:57 PM Response to Reply #4 |
| 7. Problem is... |
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| gateley
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Thu Jul-03-08 04:11 PM Response to Reply #7 |
| 15. I hope you're wrong on this, too. |
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mike_c
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Thu Jul-03-08 04:46 PM Response to Reply #15 |
| 41. there is a fundamental difference though.... |
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| gateley
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Thu Jul-03-08 04:55 PM Response to Reply #41 |
| 46. Agree - BIG difference, |
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Kolesar
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Thu Jul-03-08 03:59 PM Response to Reply #4 |
| 8. The political leaders in Iraq are going to have to grow up fast no matter what President Obama does. |
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jgraz
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Thu Jul-03-08 04:11 PM Response to Reply #8 |
| 16. This is not about *President* Obama. This is about *Candidate* Obama. |
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Carni
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Thu Jul-03-08 05:36 PM Response to Reply #16 |
| 55. I think you hit the nail on the head |
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niyad
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Thu Jul-03-08 05:00 PM Response to Reply #8 |
| 48. what in the hell do you mean, "the political leaders will have to grow up fast? |
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Kolesar
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Fri Jul-04-08 06:39 AM Response to Reply #48 |
| 89. The NY Times editorialized that the Iraqi leaders are playing us |
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| Zhade
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Sun Jul-06-08 06:29 PM Response to Reply #89 |
| 121. Oh, the same NYT that printed Judith Miller's outright lies? |
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jgraz
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Thu Jul-03-08 04:08 PM Response to Reply #4 |
| 12. It's a political CLUSTER FUCK. Are you kidding me? |
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| gateley
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Thu Jul-03-08 04:13 PM Response to Reply #12 |
| 19. I don't see where this differs much from the statement on his website |
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jgraz
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Thu Jul-03-08 04:16 PM Response to Reply #19 |
| 21. Fuck the website. "Obama Might ‘Refine’ Iraq Timeline" is all they need. |
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| gateley
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Thu Jul-03-08 04:18 PM Response to Reply #21 |
| 23. I understand and agree with your point -- |
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jgraz
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Thu Jul-03-08 04:20 PM Response to Reply #23 |
| 26. Exactly. I thought Obama was smarter than this. |
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| tidy_bowl
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Fri Jul-04-08 11:09 AM Response to Reply #19 |
| 94. If you have to add, 'No. I'm not kidding.', Then you know he did. nt |
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niyad
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Thu Jul-03-08 04:54 PM Response to Reply #4 |
| 44. you need to read this transcript from DN |
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Voltaire99
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Tue Jul-08-08 12:59 PM Response to Reply #4 |
| 129. Fuck your meaningless "faith" in him |
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stillcool
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Thu Jul-03-08 03:57 PM Response to Original message |
| 6. yup...he has always said... |
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Journeyman
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Thu Jul-03-08 04:38 PM Response to Reply #6 |
| 36. How very true. Anyone who believed this war was going to end immediately. . . |
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ihavenobias
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Thu Jul-03-08 04:01 PM Response to Original message |
| 9. Uh-Oh...he might need that free advice after all... |
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jgraz
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Thu Jul-03-08 04:09 PM Response to Reply #9 |
| 13. You beat me to it. |
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| ComtesseDeSpair
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Thu Jul-03-08 04:11 PM Response to Original message |
| 17. Seems Reasonable To Me |
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jgraz
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Thu Jul-03-08 04:14 PM Response to Reply #17 |
| 20. Let me guess: you thought Kerry and Gore were eminently "reasonable" too... |
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bluestateguy
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Thu Jul-03-08 04:17 PM Response to Original message |
| 22. Obama needs to clean the neo-cons out of the Pentagon |
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| Name removed
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Thu Jul-03-08 04:18 PM Response to Original message |
| 24. Deleted message |
jgraz
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Thu Jul-03-08 04:21 PM Response to Reply #24 |
| 27. At least the 06 Congress was smart enough to wait until *after* they got elected. |
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| stray cat
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Thu Jul-03-08 04:18 PM Response to Original message |
| 25. Do you really want a Bush who is incapable of redefining anything? |
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jgraz
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Thu Jul-03-08 04:22 PM Response to Reply #25 |
| 28. That's not the message that anyone will take away from this |
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stillcool
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Thu Jul-03-08 04:29 PM Response to Reply #28 |
| 32. what's the waffle? |
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| leftofcool
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Thu Jul-03-08 04:34 PM Response to Reply #32 |
| 34. His web site says different |
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stillcool
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Thu Jul-03-08 04:45 PM Response to Reply #34 |
| 40. whatever.. |
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mike_c
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Thu Jul-03-08 04:32 PM Response to Reply #25 |
| 33. we're talking about moral equivovation over stopping an international crime.... |
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| Zhade
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Sun Jul-06-08 06:31 PM Response to Reply #33 |
| 122. Mike, too many people won't even ADMIT that it's a crime. |
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Jeroen
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Thu Jul-03-08 04:26 PM Response to Original message |
| 30. Did somebody "talk" to Obama? |
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niyad
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Thu Jul-03-08 04:37 PM Response to Original message |
| 35. jeremy scahill pointed this out about obama several months ago on DN. |
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redqueen
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Thu Jul-03-08 04:42 PM Response to Original message |
| 38. Don't fall for it. |
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| Middle finga
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Thu Jul-03-08 04:49 PM Response to Original message |
| 42. Obama will be just a new face for the same old american imperialism |
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The Doctor.
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Sat Jul-05-08 01:42 PM Response to Reply #42 |
| 112. Bwhaahahahaaaa! |
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| Mugsy
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Thu Jul-03-08 04:53 PM Response to Original message |
| 43. Last Sunday, Kristol predicted this. |
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| Pirate Smile
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Thu Jul-03-08 05:35 PM Response to Reply #43 |
| 54. As usual, Kristol is WRONG. |
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| liberal1973
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Fri Jul-04-08 12:06 PM Response to Reply #43 |
| 96. kristol is a right wing tool |
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| hedgehog
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Thu Jul-03-08 04:55 PM Response to Original message |
| 45. WHat if he goes to Iraq and comes back and says he can get all the |
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| Zhade
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Sun Jul-06-08 06:33 PM Response to Reply #45 |
| 123. I like that line of thinking, but I'm doubtful it's what he means. |
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fascisthunter
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Thu Jul-03-08 04:57 PM Response to Original message |
| 47. Any Confirmation by Obama on This? |
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redqueen
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Thu Jul-03-08 05:43 PM Response to Reply #47 |
| 57. ... |
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fascisthunter
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Thu Jul-03-08 06:07 PM Response to Reply #57 |
| 61. Cool... thank you redqueen! |
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redqueen
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Thu Jul-03-08 07:36 PM Response to Reply #61 |
| 75. My pleasure of course... and yes... they are trying to play us... as usual! |
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fascisthunter
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Fri Jul-04-08 12:08 AM Response to Reply #75 |
| 88. Thank You, I Will |
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| Zhade
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Sun Jul-06-08 06:38 PM Response to Reply #57 |
| 126. Um, that poster's opinion isn't confirmation. |
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| Mugsy
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Thu Jul-03-08 05:05 PM Response to Original message |
| 51. Fox is already spinning this "flip-flop". |
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stillcool
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Thu Jul-03-08 05:44 PM Response to Reply #51 |
| 59. Well if FOX is on the band wagon.. |
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| Pavlovs DiOgie
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Thu Jul-03-08 05:07 PM Response to Original message |
| 52. Ummm |
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redqueen
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Thu Jul-03-08 05:43 PM Response to Reply #52 |
| 58. Quite a few by the looks of this thread. |
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Kolesar
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Fri Jul-04-08 06:42 PM Response to Reply #58 |
| 105. There could be a few trolls in the mix...eom |
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| Zhade
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Sun Jul-06-08 06:37 PM Response to Reply #58 |
| 125. Keep in mind how many times politicians have lied to us or played us. |
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dbonds
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Thu Jul-03-08 05:08 PM Response to Original message |
| 53. This isn't a change in policy for Obama, just media spin. |
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bajamary
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Thu Jul-03-08 05:59 PM Response to Original message |
| 60. He's Flip-Flopping on Iraq? |
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stillcool
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Thu Jul-03-08 06:30 PM Response to Reply #60 |
| 62. Did you by any chance listen to the Debates? |
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The Doctor.
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Thu Jul-03-08 06:39 PM Response to Reply #60 |
| 63. No, actually he's not. Is this really fooling people? |
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Arkana
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Thu Jul-03-08 06:56 PM Response to Reply #60 |
| 69. He has never said that he would reverse his "we're getting out" policy. |
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peace13
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Thu Jul-03-08 06:50 PM Response to Original message |
| 67. Everyone who has responded to this without watching the video |
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mrs_p
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Thu Jul-03-08 06:58 PM Response to Original message |
| 70. and the progressives |
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| Le Taz Hot
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Thu Jul-03-08 08:54 PM Response to Reply #70 |
| 85. Um, the progressives got this bozo the nomination. |
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| rayofreason
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Thu Jul-03-08 07:18 PM Response to Original message |
| 73. I must admit... |
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stillcool
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Thu Jul-03-08 07:33 PM Response to Reply #73 |
| 74. You might want to actually .. |
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| rayofreason
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Fri Jul-04-08 02:10 PM Response to Reply #74 |
| 100. "...trust the man..." |
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stillcool
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Fri Jul-04-08 08:35 PM Response to Reply #100 |
| 109. You don't have to trust him.. |
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| Algorem
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Thu Jul-03-08 07:51 PM Response to Original message |
| 79. big huge surprise. |
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Bucky
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Thu Jul-03-08 08:30 PM Response to Original message |
| 83. If this bothers you, I'll remind you that wars are uncertain things. |
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mike_c
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Thu Jul-03-08 08:50 PM Response to Reply #83 |
| 84. this is a WAR CRIME-- it's a war of aggression.... |
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Bucky
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Thu Jul-03-08 10:47 PM Response to Reply #84 |
| 86. Sigh |
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mike_c
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Thu Jul-03-08 11:30 PM Response to Reply #86 |
| 87. trying to end it "responsibly" is the problem, IMO.... |
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| Zhade
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Sun Jul-06-08 06:34 PM Response to Reply #86 |
| 124. It's not rhetoric. This was an aggressive war against a non-threat. |
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| lebkuchen
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Fri Jul-04-08 07:21 AM Response to Original message |
| 90. Troop deployment in Afghanistan just got "refined" to another month |
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| Name removed
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Fri Jul-04-08 11:03 AM Response to Original message |
| 93. Deleted sub-thread |
| pokercat999
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Fri Jul-04-08 11:35 AM Response to Original message |
| 95. He said he was going to REFINE his withdrawal plans. I |
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| liberal1973
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Fri Jul-04-08 12:09 PM Response to Original message |
| 97. Just goes to tell you- |
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droidamus2
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Fri Jul-04-08 12:23 PM Response to Original message |
| 98. Think about it... |
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| Zachstar
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Fri Jul-04-08 01:16 PM Response to Original message |
| 99. Just fucking great. |
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| nolabels
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Fri Jul-04-08 03:17 PM Response to Original message |
| 101. And just more BULLSHIT corporate news media spin again |
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Catherina
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Fri Jul-04-08 03:18 PM Response to Original message |
| 102. It's time to revisit Obama's Yes vote to confirm General Petraeus |
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stillcool
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Fri Jul-04-08 08:46 PM Response to Reply #102 |
| 110. Could you explain to me.. |
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| EbenezerMcIntosh
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Sat Jul-05-08 10:14 PM Response to Original message |
| 114. Obama is as meeley-mouthed as McCain |
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The Doctor.
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Sun Jul-06-08 12:33 AM Response to Reply #114 |
| 117. LOL! |