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BREAKING: (Ingrid) Betancourt 'rescued in Colombia'
Edited on Wed Jul-02-08 03:56 PM by arcos
Source: BBC

The Colombian authorities say they have rescued Ingrid Betancourt and three Americans held by rebels in Colombia.

Ms Betancourt, a French-Colombian politician, has been held for more than six years by the rebel Farc group and is said to be in very poor health.

She is the group's highest-profile hostage and the French government has made securing her release a priority.

The Farc group has been fighting to overthrow the Colombian government for more than 40 years.

Read more: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7486552.stm



This is GREAT news.

The timing is "funny" because McCain is in Colombia right now, praising military cooperation between the US and Colombia, but in my opinion, the most important thing is her safety and the safety of all the other hostages.


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   Finally!  bikebloke   Jul-02-08 03:34 PM   #1 
   It's just coming out...  arcos   Jul-02-08 03:37 PM   #3 
   I hope Uribe doesn't have her killed  aint_no_life_nowhere   Jul-02-08 03:35 PM   #2 
   It's a little weird that these particular four were "rescued" at the same time. n/t  sfexpat2000   Jul-02-08 04:04 PM   #12 
      15 hostages in total were rescued n/t  Bacchus39   Jul-02-08 04:11 PM   #18 
      Betancourt has accused the Columbian government of being in bed with the FARC  aint_no_life_nowhere   Jul-02-08 04:18 PM   #24 
      Yes, because it's all part of some big government / farc / narco / Bush / McCain conspiracy! (n/t)  gbscar   Jul-02-08 04:33 PM   #35 
      It's hard to believe that in an organization as big as FARC  sfexpat2000   Jul-02-08 04:52 PM   #43 
         the official story  ngant17   Jul-02-08 07:26 PM   #64 
            I don't know, recently they've looked more like the Germans in Hogan's Heros  Bacchus39   Jul-02-08 08:19 PM   #76 
            The official story is a piece of work. n/t  sfexpat2000   Jul-02-08 08:33 PM   #81 
      FARC is probably metamorphizing itself  ngant17   Jul-02-08 04:24 PM   #25 
         That's pretty much what I was imagining but we'll see as more  sfexpat2000   Jul-02-08 04:29 PM   #31 
         That'd be undoubtedly the best outcome. Except, of course, for the lunatics...  Commie Pinko Dirtbag   Jul-02-08 04:34 PM   #36 
         Yeah. Those people, whoever they side with, can go to hell.  sfexpat2000   Jul-02-08 05:25 PM   #47 
         "Moral Victory"????  rayofreason   Jul-03-08 12:33 AM   #89 
         Will it metamorphize itself out of the narcotics business?  hack89   Jul-03-08 09:27 PM   #115 
   Also strange is that the Colombian Senator who was mediating with FARC  Robbien   Jul-02-08 03:48 PM   #4 
   I saw that story. We greeted her with our usual hospitality.  sfexpat2000   Jul-02-08 04:12 PM   #19 
      Aren't the French and Swiss negotiators over there right now?  Robbien   Jul-02-08 04:25 PM   #26 
         Uribe needs FARC. That's been clear for a long time.  sfexpat2000   Jul-02-08 04:30 PM   #32 
            Uribe just guaranteed himself a third term, if he wants it  Bacchus39   Jul-02-08 04:42 PM   #40 
               Uribe is a criminal and has scandals breaking out all over the place.  sfexpat2000   Jul-02-08 04:44 PM   #41 
               yeah, right... I wonder what his approval will be tomorrow ,90%???  Bacchus39   Jul-02-08 04:48 PM   #42 
                  Then you surely disapprove of Uribe bribing lawmakers  sfexpat2000   Jul-02-08 05:21 PM   #46 
                     what a pleasure sharing the euphoria with you  Bacchus39   Jul-02-08 06:21 PM   #50 
                        That's Ms. Buzz Kill, thanks!  sfexpat2000   Jul-02-08 07:05 PM   #63 
               I don't think Betancourt would ever consider herself a successor to Uribe  aint_no_life_nowhere   Jul-02-08 05:06 PM   #45 
                  I won't feel okay until she is out of his custody. n/t  sfexpat2000   Jul-02-08 05:29 PM   #48 
                  Ingrid Betancourt was a presidential candidate of the Green Party  aint_no_life_nowhere   Jul-02-08 06:23 PM   #56 
                     And even apart from that, it's even money whether she's worth more free or not. n/t  sfexpat2000   Jul-02-08 06:39 PM   #59 
                        Given the number of political assassinations in Columbia,  ngant17   Jul-02-08 07:34 PM   #65 
                        Given the number of political assassinations in Columbia,  ngant17   Jul-02-08 07:35 PM   #66 
                           Yeah..it was great of FARC to "protect" her for all this time...  Duke Newcombe   Jul-02-08 07:47 PM   #69 
                              Do you really not know that Uribe has sabotaged releases before  sfexpat2000   Jul-02-08 08:06 PM   #73 
                                 I guess Hugo's "help" isn't needed any more  Bacchus39   Jul-02-08 08:13 PM   #75 
                                 Do you have a sockpuppet here?  sfexpat2000   Jul-02-08 08:22 PM   #77 
                                 Are you ignoring the fact...  Duke Newcombe   Jul-02-08 08:22 PM   #78 
                                    reason is not necessarily appreciated here n/t  Bacchus39   Jul-02-08 08:25 PM   #80 
                                    That's what I thought.  sfexpat2000   Jul-02-08 08:47 PM   #82 
                                       Feel free to do so yourself.  Duke Newcombe   Jul-02-08 09:52 PM   #84 
                                       I didn't think so. n/t  sfexpat2000   Jul-03-08 01:17 AM   #91 
                                       when has the FARC ever tried to lay down their arms?  Bacchus39   Jul-03-08 09:10 AM   #102 
                                          Why would you say "Colombia received nothing in return"?  sfexpat2000   Jul-03-08 03:13 PM   #107 
                                             yeah, like a cancer is a "part" of the body  Bacchus39   Jul-03-08 03:33 PM   #110 
                  it would be up to her and then the Colombian people to decide n/t  Bacchus39   Jul-02-08 06:31 PM   #57 
   Did they get the kidnappers?  wvbygod   Jul-02-08 03:49 PM   #5 
   Good n/t  Soldadito de Plomo   Jul-02-08 03:49 PM   #6 
   Great for these hostages. I'm glad to hear this.  NattPang   Jul-02-08 03:55 PM   #7 
   fantastic news, hope they take the FARC down with them  Bacchus39   Jul-02-08 03:55 PM   #8 
   Great news.Thanks for posting.  Hope And Change   Jul-02-08 04:00 PM   #9 
   cnn link  Bacchus39   Jul-02-08 04:01 PM   #10 
   The timing stinks but she's very ill. I'm so happy she got out alive.  sfexpat2000   Jul-02-08 04:03 PM   #11 
   being ill, I would say the timing was perfect wouldn't you???  Bacchus39   Jul-02-08 04:05 PM   #13 
      It would have been much better months ago.  sfexpat2000   Jul-02-08 04:07 PM   #14 
         yeah, the FARC could have let her go anytime, or not kidnap her at all  Bacchus39   Jul-02-08 04:09 PM   #16 
            They're pretty busy dismembering and murdering trade unionists  sfexpat2000   Jul-02-08 04:10 PM   #17 
               and rescueing hostages  Bacchus39   Jul-02-08 04:12 PM   #20 
                  We'll see. And no, I don't favor Obama addressing terrorists  sfexpat2000   Jul-02-08 04:14 PM   #21 
                  sure was, that was great  Bacchus39   Jul-02-08 04:15 PM   #23 
                     I need to become a citizen of Venezuela in order to support democracy?  sfexpat2000   Jul-02-08 04:35 PM   #38 
                        this guy you're replying to, he/she/it made my ignore list a long time ago  ngant17   Jul-02-08 07:58 PM   #71 
                  They have been busy rescuing hostages?  YankmeCrankme   Jul-02-08 05:29 PM   #49 
                     well the power to release them was always in the FARC's bloody hands  Bacchus39   Jul-02-08 06:23 PM   #55 
                        Cue the sound of crickets from the FARC cheer team. n/t  Duke Newcombe   Jul-02-08 06:50 PM   #60 
                        FARC CHeerleading Team... Are You Saying That Poster Supports FARC?  fascisthunter   Jul-02-08 06:53 PM   #61 
                           I don't believe you properly read the post I was responding to.  Duke Newcombe   Jul-02-08 07:42 PM   #67 
                        I responded to your post about Colombia being so busy rescuing hostages,  YankmeCrankme   Jul-03-08 08:23 AM   #100 
   Three CIA operatives as well  Texano78704   Jul-02-08 04:07 PM   #15 
   OMG...they were CIA operatives?  Duke Newcombe   Jul-02-08 07:45 PM   #68 
   Did you try their web site?  Texano78704   Jul-02-08 09:05 PM   #83 
   They sure looked like it didn't they?  underpants   Jul-03-08 04:47 PM   #113 
      They work for Northrup Grumman  hack89   Jul-03-08 09:30 PM   #116 
   Fantastic news!  SillyFlower   Jul-02-08 04:14 PM   #22 
   Supposedly, about 500... nt  arcos   Jul-02-08 04:26 PM   #29 
      .  SillyFlower   Jul-03-08 01:54 AM   #96 
   They're not bragging about FARC bodies or any combat. In fact, they say "no one was hurt."  Commie Pinko Dirtbag   Jul-02-08 04:26 PM   #27 
   yeah, just read the story I just posted. FARC was duped n/t  Bacchus39   Jul-02-08 04:27 PM   #30 
   I bet that farc base was destroyed shortly after the  amerikat   Jul-03-08 12:51 AM   #90 
   so a behind-closed-doors deal was made, perhaps?  Blue_Tires   Jul-03-08 08:41 AM   #101 
      Or FARC is falling apart  hack89   Jul-03-08 10:42 AM   #103 
         internal strife could be another possibility  Blue_Tires   Jul-03-08 11:38 AM   #106 
   more details emerging, FARC duped  Bacchus39   Jul-02-08 04:26 PM   #28 
   So what? It's not like FARC didn't dupe the 11 Cali councilmen they kidnapped in 2002 (nt)  gbscar   Jul-02-08 04:31 PM   #33 
      ummm....that was the jist of the operation, just relaying the info there cacique  Bacchus39   Jul-02-08 04:32 PM   #34 
         Just that kinda implied that duping FARC is somehow "unfair" or at least "disappointing"...n/t  gbscar   Jul-02-08 04:34 PM   #37 
            no, I found it quite ballsy actually  Bacchus39   Jul-02-08 04:35 PM   #39 
   I can't wait for the movie to come out n/t  Bacchus39   Jul-02-08 04:58 PM   #44 
   Columbia Rescues Ingrid Betancourt, Americans from FARC  bluesmail   Jul-02-08 06:22 PM   #51 
   Just in time for McCain's visit  Botany   Jul-02-08 06:22 PM   #52 
   who cares? McCain didn't do anything n/t  Bacchus39   Jul-02-08 06:22 PM   #53 
   Maybe he gave them some missiles. n/t  IanDB1   Jul-02-08 06:22 PM   #54 
   McCain obviously knew ahead of his trip,  kokono   Jul-02-08 06:36 PM   #58 
      Of Course They Will Claim This  fascisthunter   Jul-02-08 06:56 PM   #62 
         Ding! You can have anything off of the top shelf.  sfexpat2000   Jul-02-08 08:01 PM   #72 
         well, maybe Colombia used te McCain visit as as diversion ever consider that??  Bacchus39   Jul-02-08 08:12 PM   #74 
            LOL... Why? They Love Republicans  fascisthunter   Jul-02-08 08:23 PM   #79 
               Picture this scenario  goodgd_yall   Jul-03-08 01:37 AM   #94 
   That phone call to the home office...  MullenBank   Jul-03-08 08:07 AM   #99 
   McBush  liberal1973   Jul-02-08 07:56 PM   #70 
   I'm glad she is rescued  burrowowl   Jul-02-08 09:58 PM   #85 
   I think the situation has become rather dangerous in the short term  Zorro   Jul-02-08 10:13 PM   #86 
   FARC's internal rot revealed  hack89   Jul-02-08 10:15 PM   #87 
   Didn't you get the message?  Zorro   Jul-02-08 10:18 PM   #88 
   WOW, I just heard Ingrid Betancourt speaking on television  aint_no_life_nowhere   Jul-03-08 01:26 AM   #92 
   That's astonishing. If you see it go up on the net, lemme know.  sfexpat2000   Jul-03-08 01:29 AM   #93 
   "She will continue her fight against government corruption" -- GREAT!  Commie Pinko Dirtbag   Jul-03-08 01:43 AM   #95 
      She did thank Uribe and so did her family in Paris  aint_no_life_nowhere   Jul-03-08 01:56 AM   #97 
   President Alvaro Uribe  MullenBank   Jul-03-08 07:02 AM   #98 
   The tough, cool one here is Ingrid.  Commie Pinko Dirtbag   Jul-03-08 10:44 AM   #104 
      We can disagree.  MullenBank   Jul-03-08 03:22 PM   #108 
      Commie Pinko Dirtbag lives in South America. I'd put my money on him. n/t  Judi Lynn   Jul-03-08 03:32 PM   #109 
      What other political opinions do "your relatives" have?  Commie Pinko Dirtbag   Jul-03-08 03:35 PM   #111 
         Deleted sub-thread  Name removed   Jul-03-08 03:52 PM   #112 
      Why do you hate aardvarks so much?  KamaAina   Jul-03-08 06:50 PM   #114 
   "The rescuers came wearing Che Guevara T-shirts "  hack89   Jul-03-08 11:15 AM   #105 
 
bikebloke (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Jul-02-08 03:34 PM
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1. Finally!
Though I can't find anything in any French news sites right now.
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arcos (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Jul-02-08 03:37 PM
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3. It's just coming out...
Colombia's El Tiempo seems to be down, and I can't find any other links besides AP.
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aint_no_life_nowhere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Jul-02-08 03:35 PM
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2. I hope Uribe doesn't have her killed
Edited on Wed Jul-02-08 04:01 PM by aint_no_life_nowhere
During her campaign, she was highly critical of the Columbian government and its corruption and involvement with the drug trade before being kidnapped. I think she could be elected President of Columbia as this is one very charismatic lady.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Jul-02-08 04:04 PM
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12. It's a little weird that these particular four were "rescued" at the same time. n/t
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Bacchus39 (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Jul-02-08 04:11 PM
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18. 15 hostages in total were rescued n/t
t
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aint_no_life_nowhere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Jul-02-08 04:18 PM
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24. Betancourt has accused the Columbian government of being in bed with the FARC
It has resulted in dollars flowing to the Columbian government from Washington. In her book "Until Death Do Us Part", she's accused the Columbian government of taking pay-offs from narco terrorists and she has accused them of falsifying elections, with thousands of votes going uncounted and "disappeared". She's also lamanted the fact that the U.S. has provided military support to the fascists in power in Columbia.

I know it's easy to jump to conclusions and some might smell a fetid Chimp behind this sudden release, a kind of "July surprise" for the benefit of the Republican nominee. I don't know, but it does seem conveniently timely.
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gbscar (55 posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Jul-02-08 04:33 PM
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35. Yes, because it's all part of some big government / farc / narco / Bush / McCain conspiracy! (n/t)
nt
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Jul-02-08 04:52 PM
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43. It's hard to believe that in an organization as big as FARC
there isn't a faction willing to bed anyone for profit, power or even advantage.
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ngant17 (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Jul-02-08 07:26 PM
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64. the official story
which is what I'm reading from the MSM, this is almost laughable. If the FARC were so ignorant and their command was so wholesale incompetent as the MSM and the Columbian gov. are saying, the FARC would have been routed and wiped out 40 years ago, without Yanqui money and military assistance.

My guess is that the FARC applying a long-term strategy outside of the war zones, they are listening to the peace overtures coming from the leftist leaders of the neighboring South American countries, and they probably realize this is where the real money and political power is going to come from in the future, not from the prolonged guerrilla combat, the contraband and kidnapping business. They have nothing to lose and everything to gain by earning legitimacy before the world, and the whole drama that was played out in the jungles recently, this is part of some bigger strategy that ought to benefit the FARC once its members can be demobilized and integrated into the non-violent and mass leftist/progressive/anti-imperialist political groups of Columbia.

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Bacchus39 (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Jul-02-08 08:19 PM
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76. I don't know, recently they've looked more like the Germans in Hogan's Heros
Edited on Wed Jul-02-08 08:20 PM by Bacchus39
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Jul-02-08 08:33 PM
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81. The official story is a piece of work. n/t
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ngant17 (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Jul-02-08 04:24 PM
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25. FARC is probably metamorphizing itself
and may be attempting to attain political legitimacy again in Columbia.

I doubt it if it was so much of a "rescue" by the rightwing government as it was a decision within the FARC high command to avoid a direct firefight and conveniently allow the hostages to go out and release them from their control, while allowing the Columbian government an excuse to claim some kind of minor victory for themselves.

Ihe correlation of forces in South America is highly conducive to FARC's long-term political interests (i.e., socialism in Columbia) without the absolute necessity of its prolonged guerrilla warfare in the Amazonian jungles. Sure, Uribe & Company's paramilitary death squads will remain a threat as before, it will continue to target them for selective assassination, but I believe the FARC and its many thousands of partisan supporters in the cities and countryside will gain a moral victory for themselves and eventually be able to take part in a majority control of the government by peaceful and non-violent means. They are surrounded by supporting political groups (Venezuela, Ecuador, Brazil, ect.) Uribe has nothing to do with this, of course.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Jul-02-08 04:29 PM
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31. That's pretty much what I was imagining but we'll see as more
information comes out in the weeks ahead. For now, I'm just happy she isn't dead from liver failure.
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Commie Pinko Dirtbag Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Jul-02-08 04:34 PM
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36. That'd be undoubtedly the best outcome. Except, of course, for the lunatics...
...with an incontrollable desire to see piles of bodies of people they don't like.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Jul-02-08 05:25 PM
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47. Yeah. Those people, whoever they side with, can go to hell.
FARC was decapitated recently and the U.S. has pumped a lot of money into the Colombian military so that they can now challenge FARC on their turf instead of just staying out of the jungle.

The problem I see is that Bush is nearly out and Uribe has scandals breaking and this is about the right time for stupidity to break out like chicken pox and get people dead. Whatever the next fuck up is that happens in Latin America, it will probably be in poor Colombia.
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rayofreason (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Jul-03-08 12:33 AM
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89. "Moral Victory"????
This is one of the stupidest things I read in a long time.

FARC got stung in an elaborate operation

http://counterterrorismblog.org/2008/07/details_on_colo...

that goes to show how badly they have been compromised and how much data was recovered from the computer of FARC leader Ivan Rios – who was killed by his own men!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iv án_Ríos

And you want to call this tremendous defeat a "moral victory" for FARC?????

The band of narcotrafficing, kidnapping, gangsters known as FARC are done for.
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hack89 (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Jul-03-08 09:27 PM
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115. Will it metamorphize itself out of the narcotics business?
Edited on Thu Jul-03-08 09:28 PM by hack89
or is that kind of moral victory asking too much?
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Robbien Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Jul-02-08 03:48 PM
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4. Also strange is that the Colombian Senator who was mediating with FARC
Edited on Wed Jul-02-08 03:50 PM by Robbien
on Ingrid Betancourt's release is right now in DC. She was on Democracy Now yesterday

http://i2.democracynow.org/2008/7/1/colombian_senator_p...


edit to add that Betancourt being released is great news! Thanks for posting.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Jul-02-08 04:12 PM
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19. I saw that story. We greeted her with our usual hospitality.
I expect we'll be learning much more about this story in the coming days -- or at very least, when Betancourt is out of Colombian custody.
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Robbien Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Jul-02-08 04:25 PM
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26. Aren't the French and Swiss negotiators over there right now?
I believe I read that they were trying to arrange to meet with FARC but Uribe kept getting in the way.

No matter who was able to obtain her release, Uribe would of course claim all the credit anyway.

At least she is free. A good day. :)
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Jul-02-08 04:30 PM
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32. Uribe needs FARC. That's been clear for a long time.
It is a great day. :)
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Bacchus39 (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Jul-02-08 04:42 PM
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40. Uribe just guaranteed himself a third term, if he wants it
although, it will interesting now to see if Betancourt gets back into politics. She would make a logical successor to Uribe I would think.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Jul-02-08 04:44 PM
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41. Uribe is a criminal and has scandals breaking out all over the place.
Mayb Colombia will find someone who isn't as dirty as he is. That would be a good outcome for him and for them because if he stays in office much longer, it will all catch up with him.
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Bacchus39 (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Jul-02-08 04:48 PM
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42. yeah, right... I wonder what his approval will be tomorrow ,90%???
but it may be better if he stepped down after this term, and Betancourt would seem the person to fill his shoes.

I don't support perpetual rule from one individual like what Colombia's idiot neighbor to the east wants or the island neighbor to the north has given himself.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Jul-02-08 05:21 PM
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46. Then you surely disapprove of Uribe bribing lawmakers
to make his re-election possible.

Tuesday July 1, 04:36 AM
Colombia polarized by Uribe's battle with courts

BOGOTA (Reuters) - Colombian President Alvaro Uribe deepened his feud with the courts on Monday by going ahead with plans for a referendum aimed at rerunning the 2006 election in which he won a second term.

The popular leader reacted angrily to last week's Supreme Court ruling that said a former lawmaker was bribed by high government officials to support the constitutional amendment that allowed Uribe to seek re-election.

The judges recommended a legal review of the 2006 vote but rather than wait for that, the U.S-backed president wants to take his case directly to voters.

Uribe's move throws politics into turmoil as his long-simmering feud with Colombia's courts over his hard-line policies breaks into an open clash.

http://nz.news.yahoo.com/080630/5/6gl9.html

Let's see if the voters get their say this time.
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Bacchus39 (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Jul-02-08 06:21 PM
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50. what a pleasure sharing the euphoria with you
Miss Buzz Kill
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Jul-02-08 07:05 PM
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63. That's Ms. Buzz Kill, thanks!
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aint_no_life_nowhere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Jul-02-08 05:06 PM
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45. I don't think Betancourt would ever consider herself a successor to Uribe
Uribe and his ilk are everything Betancourt loathes.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Jul-02-08 05:29 PM
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48. I won't feel okay until she is out of his custody. n/t
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aint_no_life_nowhere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Jul-02-08 06:23 PM
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56. Ingrid Betancourt was a presidential candidate of the Green Party
when she was kidnapped. I don't think Uribe considers her an ally.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Jul-02-08 06:39 PM
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59. And even apart from that, it's even money whether she's worth more free or not. n/t
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ngant17 (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Jul-02-08 07:34 PM
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65. Given the number of political assassinations in Columbia,
Betancout was probably safer with FARC hiding out in the jungle. Once she starts out into the political campaign again, with any chance of gaining some political power, I'd say she has a 50-50 chance of being targetted for assassination by Columbian paramilitaries or some CIA-engineered patsy which would be convenient for Uribe and Company.
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ngant17 (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Jul-02-08 07:35 PM
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66. Given the number of political assassinations in Columbia,
Betancourt was probably safer with FARC hiding out in the jungle. Once she starts out into the political campaign again, with any chance of gaining some political power, I'd say she has a 50-50 chance of being targetted for assassination by Columbian paramilitaries or some CIA-engineered patsy which would be convenient for Uribe and Company.
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Duke Newcombe (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Jul-02-08 07:47 PM
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69. Yeah..it was great of FARC to "protect" her for all this time...
...I'm sure all of the protectees appreciate their concern.

Duke
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Jul-02-08 08:06 PM
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73. Do you really not know that Uribe has sabotaged releases before
or are you just being cute?

Fate uncertain of mission to free hostages

VILLAVICENCIO, COLOMBIA (CNN) -- A mission to free three hostages held by leftist rebels in Colombia stalled Monday, with the rebels and Colombian authorities trading blame for the delay.

On Monday night, President Hugo Chavez of Venezuela, who organized the mission, said he remained hopeful that the operation would succeed despite major obstacles that surfaced earlier in the day.

"There is no deadline," he told reporters Monday night.

The leftist Revolutionary Armed Forces of Colombia, known as the FARC for its Spanish acronym, had planned to release three hostages as part of a deal Chavez brokered. Yet they reversed course Monday and said that Colombian military operations in the area made a release impractical.

http://edition.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/americas/01/01/colomb...

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Bacchus39 (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Jul-02-08 08:13 PM
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75. I guess Hugo's "help" isn't needed any more
the FARC cannot be trusted, surely you acknowledge that?
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Jul-02-08 08:22 PM
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77. Do you have a sockpuppet here?
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Duke Newcombe (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Jul-02-08 08:22 PM
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78. Are you ignoring the fact...
...that there would be no releases to "sabotage" if FARC did NOT kidnap people?

duke
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Bacchus39 (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Jul-02-08 08:25 PM
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80. reason is not necessarily appreciated here n/t
n/t
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Jul-02-08 08:47 PM
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82. That's what I thought.
Can you run down for us what happened every time FARC tried to put down their guns and go mainstream like so many other dissidents in other countries with broad support have?

Thanks.
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Duke Newcombe (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Jul-02-08 09:52 PM
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84. Feel free to do so yourself.
Edited on Wed Jul-02-08 09:55 PM by Duke Newcombe
I don't particularly give a damn what happens to criminal groups when they kidnap innocent, sick people, or how "unfair" it is for them when they decide to "join 'em" when they can't "beat 'em".

Duke
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Jul-03-08 01:17 AM
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91. I didn't think so. n/t
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Bacchus39 (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Jul-03-08 09:10 AM
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102. when has the FARC ever tried to lay down their arms?
when Pastrana gave them territory the size of Switzerland, Colombia received nothing in return.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Jul-03-08 03:13 PM
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107. Why would you say "Colombia received nothing in return"?
FARC is a part of Colombia.
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Bacchus39 (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Jul-03-08 03:33 PM
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110. yeah, like a cancer is a "part" of the body
go on. lets here about the occassions when the FARC agreed to lay down there arms.
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Bacchus39 (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Jul-02-08 06:31 PM
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57. it would be up to her and then the Colombian people to decide n/t
n/t
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wvbygod (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Jul-02-08 03:49 PM
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5. Did they get the kidnappers?
Hopefully the scum that held these people against their will are out of circulation.
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Barcelona Donating Member (12 posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Jul-02-08 03:49 PM
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6. Good n/t
:toast:
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NattPang (993 posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Jul-02-08 03:55 PM
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7. Great for these hostages. I'm glad to hear this.
But isn't John McCain in Columbia? Is this meant to be a coincidence, good timing, or a Political PR Ploy?
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Bacchus39 (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Jul-02-08 03:55 PM
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8. fantastic news, hope they take the FARC down with them
n/t
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Hope And Change (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Jul-02-08 04:00 PM
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9. Great news.Thanks for posting.
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Bacchus39 (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Jul-02-08 04:01 PM
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10. cnn link
http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/americas/07/02/betancourt...

looking forward to hearing the details.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Jul-02-08 04:03 PM
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11. The timing stinks but she's very ill. I'm so happy she got out alive.
Edited on Wed Jul-02-08 04:03 PM by sfexpat2000
:toast:
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Bacchus39 (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Jul-02-08 04:05 PM
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13. being ill, I would say the timing was perfect wouldn't you???
I'm sorry for you that Hugo couldn't take the credit.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Jul-02-08 04:07 PM
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14. It would have been much better months ago.
I just hope her system isn't too compromised by now. :(
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Bacchus39 (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Jul-02-08 04:09 PM
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16. yeah, the FARC could have let her go anytime, or not kidnap her at all
maybe we need Colombian forces to get Bin Laden.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Jul-02-08 04:10 PM
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17. They're pretty busy dismembering and murdering trade unionists
I expect we'd have to book them way in advance.
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Bacchus39 (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Jul-02-08 04:12 PM
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20. and rescueing hostages
you seem as happy now as you were after President Obama's speech in Miami or after Venezuela's exercise in democracy in December.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Jul-02-08 04:14 PM
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21. We'll see. And no, I don't favor Obama addressing terrorists
but have no idea what you mean about the referendum. The vote went against Chavez and it was clean.
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Bacchus39 (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Jul-02-08 04:15 PM
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23. sure was, that was great
hope you find a candidate you like. you can always become a Venezuelan citizen I'm sure.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Jul-02-08 04:35 PM
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38. I need to become a citizen of Venezuela in order to support democracy?
lol
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ngant17 (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Jul-02-08 07:58 PM
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71. this guy you're replying to, he/she/it made my ignore list a long time ago
it's great to see that he/she/it magically disappears from my DU message threads whenever there's an intelligent series of posts to browse over.
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YankmeCrankme (533 posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Jul-02-08 05:29 PM
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49. They have been busy rescuing hostages?
And it only took them six short years? Wonder how long it would have taken if they weren't trying. With that kind of track record I suppose they could open up a training school. I imagine a lot of countries would be eager to have their personnel trained by the crack Colombian hostage rescue unit. Of course, they won't come close to their elite anti-union dismemberment squad.
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Bacchus39 (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Jul-02-08 06:23 PM
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55. well the power to release them was always in the FARC's bloody hands
wasn't it??
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Duke Newcombe (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Jul-02-08 06:50 PM
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60. Cue the sound of crickets from the FARC cheer team. n/t
Duke
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fascisthunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Jul-02-08 06:53 PM
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61. FARC CHeerleading Team... Are You Saying That Poster Supports FARC?
maybe you should ask before attacking that person? Or is that how you handle folks who disagree with you on this topic?
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Duke Newcombe (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Jul-02-08 07:42 PM
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67. I don't believe you properly read the post I was responding to.
Please review it, and you'll understand what I meant about "cue the sound of crickets" and "the FARC cheer team".

Duke

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YankmeCrankme (533 posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Jul-03-08 08:23 AM
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100. I responded to your post about Colombia being so busy rescuing hostages,
Edited on Thu Jul-03-08 08:23 AM by YankmeCrankme
not about FARC. Quite frankly, hostage taking is one of the worst ways to get your point across though it sometimes does work. Holding them for six years either shows indifference or incompetence by the governing body, or a weak point by the hostage takers. Perhaps both.

Why do you bend over backwards defending everything Colombia and Uribe, even though they have arguably the worst record of human rights abuse and oppression to opposition political parties in Latin American at this time? You staunchly defend Colombia, yet criticize leftest governments that don't do anything remotely as bad as what happens in Colombia.

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Texano78704 (179 posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Jul-02-08 04:07 PM
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15. Three CIA operatives as well
Er, US contractors, that is.
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Duke Newcombe (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Jul-02-08 07:45 PM
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68. OMG...they were CIA operatives?
Wow. I'd be interested to read documentation of that.

Duke
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Texano78704 (179 posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Jul-02-08 09:05 PM
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83. Did you try their web site?
The post the names of all their operatives there.
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Jul-03-08 04:47 PM
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113. They sure looked like it didn't they?
or special ops or mercs

at least the three guys did.
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hack89 (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Jul-03-08 09:30 PM
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116. They work for Northrup Grumman
and they are techies that operated a Northrup Grumman sensor system being used to detect coca fields as part of an anti-narcotics effort.
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Sultana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Jul-02-08 04:14 PM
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22. Fantastic news!
She can finally receive some medical help.


How many people are in captivity in Colombia?
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arcos (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Jul-02-08 04:26 PM
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29. Supposedly, about 500... nt
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Sultana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Jul-03-08 01:54 AM
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96. .
:wow:
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Commie Pinko Dirtbag Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Jul-02-08 04:26 PM
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27. They're not bragging about FARC bodies or any combat. In fact, they say "no one was hurt."
Edited on Wed Jul-02-08 04:27 PM by Commie Pinko Dirtbag
Almost as if the FARC just silently let them go. Maybe they did not want to be seen as "capitulating" or something. Anyway, it's odd there wasn't a firefight.

EDIT: hit "post" before finished speculating. Perhaps his recent pressure on the FARC had effect?
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Bacchus39 (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Jul-02-08 04:27 PM
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30. yeah, just read the story I just posted. FARC was duped n/t
nnn
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amerikat Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Jul-03-08 12:51 AM
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90. I bet that farc base was destroyed shortly after the
hostages left. Unless there was some kind of deal made beforehand. Know what I mean?
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Blue_Tires Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Jul-03-08 08:41 AM
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101. so a behind-closed-doors deal was made, perhaps?
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hack89 (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Jul-03-08 10:42 AM
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103. Or FARC is falling apart
and have been heavily infiltrated? Internal betrayal is just as likely as a deal
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Blue_Tires Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Jul-03-08 11:38 AM
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106. internal strife could be another possibility
perhaps over the coke and cash...still the timing of this strikes me as curious...
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Bacchus39 (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Jul-02-08 04:26 PM
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28. more details emerging, FARC duped
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080702/ap_on_re_la_am_ca/c... ;_ylt=Arcs.Lc631MAnS9r5viqfVZvaA8F

BOGOTA, Colombia - Colombia freed Ingrid Betancourt and three U.S. military contractors from leftist guerrillas on Wednesday after military spies tricked rebels into giving them up without a single injury, the defense minister said. In all, the operation freed 15 hostages including Colombian soldiers and police, Juan Manuel Santos said.



The rescue is the most serious blow ever dealt to the 44-year-old Revolutionary Armed Forces of Colombia, who considered Betancourt and the three Americans their most valuable bargaining chips.

In Paris, the French-Colombian politician's son Lorenzo Delloye-Betancourt called her release after six years of captivity, "if true, the most beautiful news of my life." There was no answer at the homes of American families of the three U.S. hostages: Marc Gonsalves, Thomas Howes and Keith Stansell.

Santos said the military intelligence agents infiltrated the guerrilla ranks and led the local commander in charge of the hostages, alias Cesar, to believe they were going to take them by helicopter to Alfonso Cano, the guerrillas' supreme leader.

Surrounded by military commandos, Cesar and the other guerrillas gave up without a fight as they helicopters took the hostages to a military base in Guaviare.

Betancourt was abducted in February 2002 as she was running for president. Because she also holds French citizenship, France's government has campaigned for her release. She turned 46 on Christmas Day.

The Americans were captured a year later when their drug surveillance plane went down. They worked for a Northrup Grumman Corp. subsidiary as Pentagon contractors. They were the longest-held American hostages in the world.

Since their abduction, families of the U.S. hostages have received only two "proof of life" videos, the latest in November.

That latest tape also showed the first images in years of Betancourt, who hadn't been seen since 2003. The images, along with letters and reports from other hostages, described a once-vibrant, confident woman slowly succumbing to Hepatitis B, tropical skin diseases and depression.

One former hostage said Betancourt was kept chained to a tree after trying to escape.

Betancourt's family waged a campaign for her freedom, organizing marches and events in Colombia and France, where her case became a cause celebre. French President Nicolas Sarkozy implored the FARC to free the ailing Betancourt and sent a mission to Colombia to try to gain access to her. He also urged Colombia's government to contact the rebels.

Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez, who shares an affinity with the leftist FARC, also tried to negotiate Betancourt's release as part of a prisoner swap.

But none of the efforts could bridge the gaps between the guerrillas and Colombian President Alvaro Uribe, whose father was killed by the FARC and who made the group's defeat the cornerstone of his presidency.

Colombia's government even criticized the family for its efforts to raise Betancourt's public profile. With all the interest in her, officials said, Betancourt became too valuable a bargaining chip to be traded for anything less than a comprehensive deal. The family countered that its work had drawn attention to the plight of all Colombia's kidnap victims.

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gbscar (55 posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Jul-02-08 04:31 PM
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33. So what? It's not like FARC didn't dupe the 11 Cali councilmen they kidnapped in 2002 (nt)
nt
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Bacchus39 (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Jul-02-08 04:32 PM
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34. ummm....that was the jist of the operation, just relaying the info there cacique
ok with you?
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gbscar (55 posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Jul-02-08 04:34 PM
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37. Just that kinda implied that duping FARC is somehow "unfair" or at least "disappointing"...n/t
nt
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Bacchus39 (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Jul-02-08 04:35 PM
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39. no, I found it quite ballsy actually
no harm no foul.
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Bacchus39 (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Jul-02-08 04:58 PM
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44. I can't wait for the movie to come out n/t
n/t
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bluesmail Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Donate to DU! Wed Jul-02-08 06:22 PM
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51. Columbia Rescues Ingrid Betancourt, Americans from FARC
Source: Huffington Post

Columbia Rescues Betancourt

Read more: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/07/02/columbia-frees...
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Botany Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Donate to DU! Wed Jul-02-08 06:22 PM
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52. Just in time for McCain's visit
Wow what a shock! :rofl:
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Bacchus39 (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Jul-02-08 06:22 PM
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53. who cares? McCain didn't do anything n/t
n/t
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Jul-02-08 06:22 PM
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54. Maybe he gave them some missiles. n/tUpdated at 12:21 AM
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Kokonoe Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Jul-02-08 06:36 PM
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58. McCain obviously knew ahead of his trip,
The whitehouse claims five years involvement in the release per CNN.
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fascisthunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Jul-02-08 06:56 PM
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62. Of Course They Will Claim This
and you do know what this means right? If they claim he had anything to do with is, then the question needs to be asked. Why wait until now and was Columbia and the US standing in the way the whole time?
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Jul-02-08 08:01 PM
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72. Ding! You can have anything off of the top shelf.
Well, at least she may get some medical care now.
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Bacchus39 (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Jul-02-08 08:12 PM
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74. well, maybe Colombia used te McCain visit as as diversion ever consider that??
I really doubt that McCain had much to do with this other than being a useful distraction for the operation.
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fascisthunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Jul-02-08 08:23 PM
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79. LOL... Why? They Love Republicans
Edited on Wed Jul-02-08 08:32 PM by fascisthunter
are you kidding me?! They'd like nothing more than to help McCain's image.
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goodgd_yall (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Jul-03-08 01:37 AM
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94. Picture this scenario
McCain meeting the ex-hostages and he gets to talk about his hostage experience and the news is obsessed during this Independence Day weekend on military rescues, McCain as a hostage, the bravery of military contractors, how great the CIA did, blah, blah, blah, and it all goes into turning the attention of Americans to military worship, which is a boon for the Republicans and particularly John McCain.
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MullenBank (141 posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Jul-03-08 08:07 AM
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99. That phone call to the home office...
Edited on Thu Jul-03-08 08:17 AM by MullenBank
is gonna be a tough one.

Hola...boss... about those fifteen hostages.. well... look next week you'll see the humor.... and we checked their ID just like we're supposed to do... but, well anyway they all got away in the chopper... you're gonna what? ... send some help our way.... sure sounds great... we'll wait right here....
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liberal1973 (964 posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Jul-02-08 07:56 PM
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70. McBush
McBush is the typical corrupt Neo-nazi republican. His wife is a bad drug user and it seems a sleazy right winger. :thumbsup:
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burrowowl Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Jul-02-08 09:58 PM
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85. I'm glad she is rescued
But is she safe? And why now? Did Columbia and not the FARC have her hostage?
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Zorro Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Donate to DU! Wed Jul-02-08 10:13 PM
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86. I think the situation has become rather dangerous in the short term
FARC may attempt to do something particularly spectacular and violent to show they're still a force to be reckoned with.
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hack89 (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Jul-02-08 10:15 PM
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87. FARC's internal rot revealed
The first reports about the Colombian military’s rescue of the 15 hostages held by FARC (in Spanish) indicate an impressive intelligence operation. The hostages were held in three separate locations. Colombian intelligence had infiltrated one of the FARC fronts holding the hostages as well as the FARC Secretariat. They told the front commander “Cesar” that the hostages were being transferred on the orders of FARC chief Alfonso Cano. After gathering the hostages in one location the FARC unit was met by a helicopter, ostensibly from an NGO (that doesn’t actually exist). Then the hostages were loaded onto the helicopter and the FARC commander and his deputy were taken captive to be handed over to judicial authorities. The other members of the FARC front were permitted to escape.

The fifteen hostages were rescued without firing a shot. The long nightmare of the hostages and their families is finally over.

There are many implications to this tremendous success. It indicates both the FARC’s rot and impressive Colombian capabilities. That Colombian intelligence could manage this elaborate ruse shows how much information they have gathered about the FARC’s internal workings. The computer files seized, both from Raul Reyes, but also from the computer of FARC leader Ivan Rios – who was killed by his own men, were no doubt invaluable. That FARC would fall for this ruse indicates increasing fragmentation and decay. The loss of several top leaders, and the reported serious illness of FARC’s top military commander Mono Jojoy have all contributed to FARC's weakness.

Communications has long been an Achilles heel for the FARC, which is spread out in Colombia’s vast hinterland. The hostage rescue operation is the most dramatic capitalization of this weakness so far and it will also exacerbate it. FARC leaders will now doubt the origin of their orders – leading to further fragmentation.


http://terrorwonk.blogspot.com/2008/07/farc-is-farcd-as...
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Zorro Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Donate to DU! Wed Jul-02-08 10:18 PM
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88. Didn't you get the message?
Those laptop files were bogus.

Just ask the usual anti-Uribe crowd that hangs out in the Latin America threads.
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aint_no_life_nowhere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Jul-03-08 01:26 AM
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92. WOW, I just heard Ingrid Betancourt speaking on television
I speak both Spanish and French and I heard her make statements in both languages. On French television, they devoted their entire news broadcast to her liberation. What a wonderful speaker Ingrid Betancourt is. Her words were so moving and so powerful. I can't believe how strong and positive she sounded after so many years of captivity. Her supporters from Columbia are saying that she will be the next President of Columbia in 2010 and she will continue her fight against government corruption. I can believe it. This woman is one tremendously charismatic person. I wish we had her in this country.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Jul-03-08 01:29 AM
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93. That's astonishing. If you see it go up on the net, lemme know.
:)
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Commie Pinko Dirtbag Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Jul-03-08 01:43 AM
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95. "She will continue her fight against government corruption" -- GREAT!
Gee, wasn't she supposed to praise odes to Uribe? I guess something in the script went wrong! :rofl:
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aint_no_life_nowhere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Jul-03-08 01:56 AM
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97. She did thank Uribe and so did her family in Paris
Her daughter is an absolute goddess, she's so beautiful, and her words were splendid as well. Betancourt didn't offer effusive praise to Uribe but it was polite and subdued. She expressed her thanks as one would expect. She sat next to Uribe as he made a statement for Columbian television and she had an unemotional expression as she watched him speak. French television showed previous video footage of the heavy criticism her family leveled against Uribe for his inaction in the past and for his bombastic statements about using violence and force to free the hostages instead of trying to use diplomacy. Both Betancourt and her family issued an empassioned plea to the FARC and to Uribe to continue their efforts to free the remaining hostages and to not treat this release as a political football.
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MullenBank (141 posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Jul-03-08 07:02 AM
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98. President Alvaro Uribe
tough guy. cool.
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Commie Pinko Dirtbag Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Jul-03-08 10:44 AM
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104. The tough, cool one here is Ingrid.
Uribe can go suck an aardvark. I have as much consideration for him as I have for the FARC.
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MullenBank (141 posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Jul-03-08 03:22 PM
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108. We can disagree.
I think the FARC suck too. See, Common Ground. Is this a grand country or what. Based on what my relatives in Miami say, Uribe is OK. They have friends and blood relatives in Columbia so I pretty much defer to them on stuff like this 'cause I figure they are better informed.

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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Jul-03-08 03:32 PM
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109. Commie Pinko Dirtbag lives in South America. I'd put my money on him. n/t
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Commie Pinko Dirtbag Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Jul-03-08 03:35 PM
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111. What other political opinions do "your relatives" have?
For instance, about the Cuban embargo? Or about Obama vs. McCain?
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114. Why do you hate aardvarks so much?


Huh?
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105. "The rescuers came wearing Che Guevara T-shirts "
He said the military infiltrated the FARC's top hierarchy and arranged for a transfer of hostages on the ruse that they were going to be handed over to Alfonso Cano, the rebel group's maximum leader.

The government mole arranged for the hostages to be brought together from three different locations to one camp, and then taken in a helicopter the FARC believed belonged to a friendly aid group that would transport the hostages to Cano. ''The military planned this for more than a year by establishing a fake helicopter company that had been offering transport services to the rebels for some time,'' said Newlink Political senior analyst Mauricio De Vengochea, who has close contacts in the Colombian military.

``It shows they infiltrated the highest levels, because there is no way the guerrillas would have turned over the crown jewel to a stranger in an unknown helicopter. It's truly impressive.''


http://www.miamiherald.com/457/story/592155.html
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