Indiana voter ID law challenged again

[Newsjock]

Source: Indianapolis Star

A requirement for Indiana voters to show their photo ID at the polls isn’t only a hassle, it’s unconstitutional, the League of Women Voters of Indiana is arguing.

The league, taking its case to court, filed a lawsuit against the Indiana Secretary of State in Marion County Superior Court on Friday, less than two months after the U.S. Supreme Court voted 6-3 to allow the 2005 law to stand.

“This is a challenge under Indiana’s constitution. It has different language and is interpreted in different ways” than the federal laws that were considered by the Supreme Court, said Karen Celestino-Horseman, an attorney representing the league and a former Indianapolis City-County Council member.

... The law, according to the state, is necessary to keep people from voting using other people’s names. However, the high court, in issuing its ruling earlier this year, did not find Indiana had experienced the type of voter fraud feared by state officials.

Read more: http://www.indystar.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080620/NEWS05/80620045

[provis99]

1. Looks like the Mississippi of the North is at it again

[happygoluckytoyou]

2. FOR THE LOVE OF GOD>>> REGISTER TO VOTE BY MAIL!!!

[Tutonic]

3. Thank you League of Women Voters

You'd think that Emily's List and other groups would have been at the forefront since they were all over the state pushing for Clinton during the primary. This photo ID law in Indiana like Ohio is aimed at disenfranchising black voters. It is not aimed at whites, hispanics or other groups. If it succeeds in Indiana, look for it to spread to other states (Michigan, Wisconsin, Missouri, etc., where there are pockets of black voters.

[Enthusiast]

The Indiana voter I.D. law

Serves one purpose. We all know what it is.

I often ask Republicans ",What kind of country do you want to live in?" I guess they want a country where their side is always guaranteed a victory. But that is not a democracy.

The supreme court was mistaken in ruling in behalf of this law to start with. Photography didn't even exist when our constitution was written. How is it constitutional to require photo I.D.s? I guess those that ruled in favor of the new law are not the strict constructionists we always hear about. Republicans have made a mockery of my country!

[MJJP21]

5. Voting facts

When this country was founded the "right to vote" extended only to free white men "who owned property". There is no right in the constitution to allow someone to vote so states can do as they damn well please. That being said can everyone please stop passing around the falsehoods and urge these people to get off their ass and register to vote either in person , mail and do whatever is required to earn the right to vote in your particular state. It serves no good purpose to post innaccurate information. It only serves to weaken democrats in the fall by having many of them shut out of the process. We need to play the game and make those that are not registered and claim they are being disenfranchised to open their eyes , tell them they are wrong and do what it takes to vote.

[Kolesar]

7. Democrats do voter-registration drives of people who are "practically homeless"

You have to round up votes whereever you can get them. It is called grassroots, retail politics.

I know a few people whose poor finances might put them out of the homes that they are in now and they will not have correct addresses on their driver's licenses.

Do you know that some Americans don't have driver's licenses?

[roseBudd]

8. "get off their ass" au contraire, it is the people who drive who put little effort into voting

they don't have to do anything but roll out of bed and drive to the polls.

This law singles out those who don't drive.

[MJJP21]

9. au contraire

Anyone who doesn't live within walking distance to a polling place or have a car can vote by mail. You can even request by phone to have a registration form sent to your home of which you can fill it out and send it back. A voter card will be sent your residence. There is simply no excuse for someone not voting except for laziness. Claiming you have to work on voting day is no excuse either as all employers are required to give anyone who requests it time off to vote and again if you can't be there because of employement use the mail in vote card. Stop the excuses!

[roseBudd]

11. We are talking about those who don't own cars who are usually poor. your sanctimony & judgemental

attitudes don't make it any easier for the people who every day of their lives have more difficulties than the average more often than not white middle class American can imagine.

So maybe you can volunteer to pick people up drive them to the Board of Health and pay for their birth certificate. If out of state I suppose you wouldn't mind arranging for it to be delivered on your dime. Then you can drive them to the BMV and pay for their photo ID? Oh no! They can't get off work during the hours the BoH & DMV are open. Serves them right those lazy asses. They should have pulled themselves up by their bootstraps.

[1Hippiechick]

12. Your response ROCKS! Applause! WooHoo!

:yourock:

:applause:

:woohoo:

Volunteering to take ppl to vote here......

[MJJP21]

15. Give me a break!

Don't have cars? Use a phone for godsake. Don't tell me the so called poor don't have cell phones. Ever notice how the poor always seem to have enough money for cigaretts and beer. Save a dollar and make a phone call. Go to a church. Most churches have a benevolence fund for truly needy people. I am sure they can spare some change for a phone call or even find someone to give you ride and yes give them a ride to whereever they need to in order to validate their identity. I drive inter city bus and these people have phones ipods ride the bus etc. Don't give me this crap they can't do this and they can't get there. If they want to vote they will find a way and all you do with your response is become an enabler. As I said their is no constitutional law mandating voting priveledges so if you want to play the game learn the rules or stay home and dry your eyes. I think its attitudes like yours that results in the gutless congress we have now even though the dems are in the majority.

[Oak2004]

18. I'm not sure where you get your ideas about the poor from, but it ain't from observing the poor n/t

[roseBudd]

22. Wow, the hate for most likely nonwhite poor on your "inter" city bus is palpable.

[Enthusiast]

23. You sure sound like a Republican to me!

Why are you repeating Republican talking points? There are 49 Democratic Senators and 49 Republican Senators. How is this a majority? The poor have cell phones? Shit, you are a Republican. I thought you guys were out of here after Barack won the nomination. I see you are still here.

[Occulus]

13. Suppose I have no home or residence?

What then?

[roseBudd]

14. Suppose you are elderly rural & your county can not provide a birth certificate for whatever reason

[MJJP21]

17. Solve the issue

Don't ask me that question. Go to your state officials and ask them. Someone there must have an answer. Go to your local television station and ask them or go to the radio station and ask them. There is nothing more inviting to raise ratings than to pose a question or dilemma to the common people that seems to have no answer. If there is truly no answer surly someone will solve it. That is what your local officials and congressmen are there for. Think of the credit one receives when he/she can claim they solved the issue.

[Oak2004]

19. It's been tried and, surprise, there were no solutions

(anyone have a link to the elderly woman's story in AZ?).

You are bizarrely out of touch with reality (you really think the poor all have cellphones??) I am beginning to doubt whether you actually believe what you're saying, and what motive you might have for saying such nonsense.

[Occulus]

20. What if nobody cares?

Seriously. There was a story about a woman down South just recently who was not allowed to register to vote because she couldn't prove she existed. No, it wasn't that she's lost her birth certificate- she's very old and was born before her state required them, or something like that. She never had a birth certificate, and under her state's rules, she couldn't vote.

She'll likely be dead before the state legislature gets around to amending that law, and by the time they do, there could likely be no point. She's dead now, problem solved.

"If there is truly no answer surly someone will solve it."

That ranks among the most illogical things I've ever read.

[roseBudd]

21. What irks me is that people who drive exert the least effort to vote and they call lazy those who

will have to do much more to exercise the same right of enfranchisement. If you are poor how do you justify the cost and time of obtaining the papers the non driving poor will have to produce just to vote.

It's not like politicians actually worry about what the poor think.

[MJJP21]

16. register

Register at the YMCA or find a homeless shelter and use that as an address.

[lark]

24. I'd be very surprised if the states allow temporary shelters

to be used as addresses for voting purposes??

:shrug:

[Enthusiast]

4. The Indiana voter I.D. law

Serves one purpose. We all know what it is.

I often ask Republicans ",What kind of country do you want to live in?" I guess they want a country where their side is always guaranteed a victory. But that is not a democracy.

The supreme court was mistaken in ruling in behalf of this law to start with. Photography didn't even exist when our constitution was written. How is it constitutional to require photo I.D.s? I guess those that ruled in favor of the new law are not the strict constructionists we always hear about. Republicans have made a mockery of my country!

[1Hippiechick]

6. Other voting concerns in Indiana.......

http://www.bbvforums.org/forums/messages/73/73713.html?1209124689

[Faygo Kid]

10. State Constitutions may be our last best hope

Given that the U.S. Supreme Court is one justice away from renaming us Bushmerica.