Latin America outraged at EU plan

[dipsydoodle]

Source: BBC News

Leaders across Latin America have reacted angrily to a new EU law that could jail illegal immigrants for up to 18 months before they are deported.

One president called it a hate initiative. Another said it was an attack on people's rights and lives.

Hundreds of thousands of Latin Americans live and work in Europe, many of them without permission.

Many do jobs that Europeans do not want to do, providing a vital source of income for poor families back home.


Read more: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/7466218.stm

[LiberalFighter]

1. If they are there illegally they shouldn't be punished?

I'm sure it doesn't apply to just Latin Americans.

But they should also jail those that employ illegal immigrants.

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[tama]

6. Did you read it?

"Leaders across Latin America have reacted angrily to a new EU law that could jail illegal immigrants for up to 18 months before they are deported."

Year and a half in prison for being poor and doing the jobs below minimum wage that civilized Europeans don't wanna do. Sounds cool, doesn't it? So when are you going to a farm to pick fruits or nanny some ritch bitch' brats - legally?

[joeglow3]

11. My father works one of those jobs "no American wants to work."

Thanks for the condescension and arrogance though. As a drywaller, he has seen his wages plummet over the last 20 years. NOW, after the wages have been destroyed, people say "no one would lower themselves to work that job."

This is one issue I COMPLETELY disagree with our party on. This is no different than exporting of jobs to other countries. However, instead of sending the job to someone willing to work for $5 a day in another country, we just sneak them in illegally to do it here....AND get to pay for all the social costs of it. How can you oppose one and support the other?

[tama]

16. Sorry

if I sounded condescending, point not aimed personally but at the general social reality. I read while ago about a farmer changing crops because Mexicans weren't coming any more and USAns couldn't be hired - at the wages he could afford.

The problem of globalization cannot be separated from the problem of consumerism and growth based economy - which cannot continue any more, losing access to cheap energy.

In practice that means that if one want's to keep on eating, farming needs to be done manually instead of powered by oil.

[EFerrari]

19. Yes, it is different than outsoucing because all those workers

contribute to the economy. (And how could DRYWALLING be outsourced, anyway?!)

[amandabeech]

27. I'm with you.

I'm a loyal Dem, too, but I'm the daughter of an autobody repairman. That work can get done cheap, too.

[Deja Q]

8. Agreed.

On both counts.

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

13. False dichotomy. You lose. Next. -nt

[TransitJohn]

2. You know what?

I'm about sick to death of the whole illegal immigrant wedge issue from all sides of the argument. And I started out believing that people shouldn't be allowed to work if they immigrated illegally. Now, I've come around to knowing that the problem is entirely manufactured by the employers. So, I say what's needed is a right to employment anywhere, as part of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights. Then maybe we (workers) can band together in transnational unions to the betterment of us all. Hey, the friggin' corporations can act internationally, why not labor?

[roody]

4. What a sensible idea.

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[YankmeCrankme]

21. I agree.

Corporations can move operations and manufacturing where they can get the lower paid worker or to reduce expense, then so should workers be able to freely go where they can find better paying jobs. If national boundries don't stop capital from going where they want why should it stop labor.

[EFerrari]

22. Bingo! We have a winner. n/t

[muriel_volestrangler]

24. Ironically, the right to work anywhere is a significant part of the EU setup

though newly joining countries can have temporary restrictions placed on them - eg Britain, Ireland and Sweden allowed any workers from the countries that joined in 2004, while others used restrictions. When Romania and Bulgaria joined, Britain and Ireland also imposed restrictions. But in the long run, all EU citizens will have the right to work anywhere in the Union.

[Deja Q]

7. WAAAAAAAAAAAAAH

:nopity:

And it's the EU too, so is it only America that's racist and anti-Mexican and all the other BULL that's been made excuses for regarding ILLEGAL activities, because people of any persuasion can illegally move to ANY country?

[ohio2007]

9. Chavez warns may shut off Venezuela oil to Europe

CARACAS (Reuters) - Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez threatened on Thursday to stop selling oil to European countries if they apply a new ruling on illegal immigrants that has been condemned by human rights groups.European Union lawmakers ruled on Wednesday that illegal immigrants can be detained for up to 18 months and face a reentry ban of up to five years."We can't just stand by with our arms crossed," Chavez said at an event with Paraguay's visiting president-elect to celebrate his OPEC country's oil supplies to South America.

"Any European country that applies this directive, we will -- well we won't cut off ties -- but it's simple, at the very least, our oil will not reach these countries," he said.

The socialist ally of Cuba also warned he could review the investment of European Union nations that apply the measure. He did not elaborate.

Chavez has regularly issued conditional threats to halt crude shipments from Venezuela -- one of the world's largest exporters of oil -- although he has never followed through on a move that would hurt supplies at a time of record prices.


snip
Such threats from Chavez, a price hawk, have sometimes
caused world oil values to rise

snip


http://www.france24.com/en/20080620-chavez-colombia-venezuela-farc-oil-europe


Where ARE the majority of illegals going into the EU comming from ?
Latin america?

"Hundreds of thousands of Latin Americans live and work in Europe..."


Maybe Spain gets the majority of the Latin Americans hundreds of thousands of illegals but what illegals are the other countries in Europe trying to stop and throw in jail ?
250,000 Latinos vs the millions of illegal aliens in EU today...

nope, there is more to this human right outrage....such as for one example ;

why do these illegals flee in the first place to live in western Europe ?
Does Human Rights Watch care to chime in on that side of the economic story ?

<crickets>

[Carnea]

10. Why would anyone leave the workers paradise that is Venezuela to go to Europe anyway???

:sarcasm:

[ohio2007]

12. Well, the few Latino's with their European cultural roots are not the issue imo

It's those that arrive, live off govt subsidies and refuse to assimilate to the point of creating their own city state enclaves is what caught the eye of the more progressive thinkers leading olde Europe today.
http://www.iht.com/articles/2008/06/19/europe/islam.php
Real change they can see is coming ;

http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,23887780-401,00.html

[Judi Lynn]

14. That sounds so familiar: "live off govt subsidies and refuse to assimilate to the point of creating

their own city state enclaves......"

That's gotta be MIAMI.

http://banana-republic.net.nyud.net:8090/images/miamibananarepublic.jpg

http://i59.photobucket.com.nyud.net:8090/albums/g309/xzayvier07/us-fl-bp.gif

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http://www.igougo.com.nyud.net:8090/images/p84977-Miami-US_and_Cuban_Flags_Together.jpg

[bronxiteforever]

26. good point judi!

[EFerrari]

20. There are very few Venezuelan immigrants in Europe.

More in Miami and they are mainly middle & upper class types who are waiting for the US to get rid of Chavez so they can go back and continue to cannibalize poor people. Which is why they're in Miami.

[entanglement]

15. European xenophobia is at an all time high - as economic conditions worsen, expect more

scapegoating of immigrants and adoption of far-right positions by European ruling class scoundrels.

[Dutch]

17. Europeans would happily do these jobs, if they paid a decent wage.

It's a peculiar type of vindictive anti-workerism that seeks to redefine the desire for a living wage as xenophobia.

[EFerrari]

23. It's not a living wage if only white workers get it, right? n/t

[struggle4progress]

18. Ecuador says could halt EU talks over migration law

Source: Reuters

Saturday June 21 2008

QUITO, June 21 (Reuters) - Ecuador threatened to halt Andean trade talks with the European Union on Saturday after its leaders endorsed tougher detention rules for illegal immigrants.

Ecuadorean President Rafael Correa said the rule allowing EU countries to detain illegal immigrants for 18 months violates the human rights of migrant workers.

"We could even suspend those negotiations. What do we have to talk about with a union of countries that criminalizes immigrants?" Correa said during his weekly radio address. "It will be very hard to talk business and ignore human rights" ...

Ecuador holds the temporary presidency of the Andean Community, which includes Peru, Bolivia and Colombia and last year started negotiating a trade and cooperation agreement with the European Union ...

Read more: http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/feedarticle/7601249

[jespwrs]

25. Evo Morales' response:

Here is a letter in response to the EU action by the President of the Republic of Bolivia, Evo Morales:

http://www.tlaxcala.es/pp.asp?lg=en&reference=5316

He makes some excellent points.

[Judi Lynn]

28. Ecuador supports Peru's rejection of EU anti-immigrant law

Ecuador supports Peru's rejection of EU anti-immigrant law

www.chinaview.cn 2008-06-24 11:24:32

LIMA, June 23 (Xinhua) -- The Ecuadorian government supports Peru's rejection of the anti-immigrant law approved by the European Parliament last week, Ecuadorian Vice President Lenin Moreno said here Monday.

Peruvian President Alan Garcia has said that the so-called Return Directive violates universal human rights and should be analyzed by the Organization of the American States (OAS).

"I read his statements and they are filled with dignity. Ecuador rejects this discriminatory action against immigrants," said Moreno.

Under the Return Directive, illegal immigrants in all 27 EU member nations can be detained for up to 18 months and face a re-entry ban of up to five years.

http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2008-06/24/content_8428624.htm

[Judi Lynn]

29. Posted in Latin America forum by DU'er magbana: Latin America Could Halt EU Trade Talks Over New Imm

Latin America Could Halt EU Trade Talks Over New Immigration Law
Posted by magbana

Latin America could halt EU trade talks over return directive
LEIGH PHILLIPS

23 Jun 2008 @ 09:29 CET http://euobserver.com/9/26374/?rk=1


Ecuador's president, Rafael Correa, has warned that trade talks between
the European Union and the Andean Community could be suspended if the
27-member bloc pushes ahead with its new immigration law.

"We could even suspend those negotiations. What do we have to talk about
with a union of countries that criminalises immigrants?" asked the
Ecuadorean leader during a radio programme on Saturday (21 June),
according to Reuters.

Latin American leaders are worried about the human rights of migrants in
Europe and the remittances the send home. (Photo: European Commission)

"It will be very hard to talk business and ignore human rights."

Latin American leaders have ramped up the rhetoric against the new EU
'return directive' that allows clandestine migrants to be detained for
up to 18 months and face a five-year travel ban after being deported.

Mr Correa, whose nation currently holds the Andean Community of Nations'
rotating presidency, referred to the new law as the 'hate directive'.

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