Hillary Clinton to be offered dignified exit

[ballsalicious]

Source: Telegraph UK

Hillary Clinton will be offered a dignified exit from the presidential race and the prospect of a place in Barack Obama's cabinet under plans for a "negotiated surrender" of her White House ambitions being drawn up by Senator Obama's aides.

The former First Lady would get the chance to pilot Mr Obama’s reforms of the American healthcare system if she agrees to clear the path to his nomination as Democratic presidential candidate.

Senior figures in the Obama camp have told Democrat colleagues that the offer to Mrs Clinton of a cabinet post as health secretary or to steer new legislation through the Senate will be a central element of their peace overtures to the New York senator.



Read more: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/uselection20...

[FreakinDJ]

1. Some thing - better then Nothing

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[littlecryinggirl]

82. Hillary is like rotten meat

throw it out. Gobama baby!

[Henny Penny]

113. How can you call yourself a democrat? n/t

[Critters2]

123. That positive Obama message! I never get tired of it! nt

[stubtoe]

146. It's some of his SUPPORTERS who are behaving negatively.

Obama has shown grace to Clinton during this end game. If only his supporters would behave like he does.

[texastoast]

145. Disruptor?

Trying to disrupt all of the Obama supporters, of whom I am one?

Hillary is not like rotten meat, nor should she be thrown out. Where DID you get your manners?

[tekisui]

2. It's sad that she has to be negotiated with to get her to exit gracefully.

Thank jeebus she didn't end up our nominee.

[roguevalley]

19. eight other guys leave when its clear its over but the girl has to be

bought. sad. some feminist.

[MichiganVote]

51. What does gender have to do with it?

[loudsue]

89. My my my. "girl" "some feminist"

Misogynist much?

I'm supporting Obama at this point, but I don't know any liberal/progressive/educated person that would not be offended by your post.

[Merlot]

112. Not "bought." It's called politics.

And any man doing this would be respected as a smart player.

Hillary has a lot of supporters, and a lot of people who have voted for her. Obama leads, true, but not by a large enough margin. He's aware of that. He's doing what any smart politician would do with someone who has as much support as she does. He's also showing us how he will handle difficult situations when he's president.

Hillarys can be an asset to him.

[primavera]

115. Sounds more like extortion

With all of her ominous warnings about offending her support base. And such threats are credible coming from her, since she's plainly willing to wreck the party and the country for the sake of her personal ambitions.

[Critters2]

124. Tell me again how Obama is not sexist.

Women can vote now. You might want to keep that in mind.

[Bake]

133. The eight other guys didn't get half the Dems to vote for them.

Big difference. Of course, I guess Hillary should have just dropped out as soon as Obama entered the race, so he could "make history." Everybody should have just bowed to the will of the Mighty O.

Bake

[KSinTX]

52. Imagine Iraq!! How ever would we have gotten her out of there?

[robinlynne]

3. NO way! She was bought by the HMOS! They cannot let her ruin our health

care system even further, just so she can feel good.

[fed_up_mother]

8. I'm hoping her true liberal colors come out again now that she realizes

she can't buy her way into power.

Her original plan was single payer.

We can hope, anyway. It would be a fitting legacy.

[Tandalayo_Scheisskopf]

13. I would hope that as well.

Perhaps, once she has exited the race, she could go spend some time with ordinary folks facing health crises, without the benefit of comprimised aides and lobbyists in her ear. Kind of like a sabbatical or retreat.'

Get to know the true depth of the pain out here.

[robinlynne]

30. She has taken millions and millions of dollars from the very people who need to be regulated and

run out of business. If Obama places someone like her in that position it will be a tragedy. She is not the sme politician who thought of single-payer health care. Did you see her supporters screaming McCain mCCain!

[Tandalayo_Scheisskopf]

43. I suspect that...

More than a few of those "supporters" were ringers, just like around here. People thinking that they were ever so clever.

[Delphinus]

109. I think *ALL*

should get to know the true depth of the pain out here. ALL of them - that's the only way it will sink in. They've been protected for too long.

[Viva_La_Revolution]

23. My first reaction too. nt

[Muttocracy]

74. I'm with you. nt

[lark]

135. Moving away from HMO's is what's bankrupting the average person

The Insurance industry moved to PPO's and HSA's to shift medical costs to the patient. I work for a large physician group and our patient A/R has absolutely skyrocketed over the last 2 years. Yeah you can have most services done without the hassles of authorizations, but good luck getting the insurance co. to pay.

[RaRa]

4. Don't see anything dignified about her

at this point. From the beginning, her obvious sense of entitlement to the nomination has outraged me and I was hoping she would return to the Senate, so that she could be ousted in her re-election bid.

[leftynyc]

131. Keep dreaming

That seat is hers for as long as she wants it.

[fed_up_mother]

5. Oh, wow, I predicted that to a friend weeks ago

That Obama would put her in charge of health care reform.

It would be fitting.

[jeff30997]

6. "negotiated surrender" ?

WTF? She lost,get the Hell out!

[tuckessee]

61. Clintons don't lose. n/t

[Tarheel_Dem]

7. I would accept if I were her. She's pissed off the base in NYC, so

her future Senate prospects could be in doubt.

[LiberalFighter]

10. What do you base that on?

[Tarheel_Dem]

15. Only this.....

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

[StevieM]

26. Sorry , but that's just wishful thinking from hateful McGovernites. Her favorables in NY

were very good in the latest poll. There is no evidence she is in trouble. And although Obama supporters like to pretend that her campaign has been a discredited disaster, she got an awful lot of votes, and Obama is going to need them. Sorry, but expect to hear her in prime time at the convention.

But this is the kind of arrogance that has turned so many people away from Obama. His message is one of hatred and disunity.

I doubt that Hillary wants to be Obama's Secretary of HHS--not that I expect him to win. I think she is more likely to demand rules changes to the nominating process.

Steve

[Occulus]

33. *plonk*

[Tarheel_Dem]

36. And I should believe you, over the people of NY because?

Listen, I could care less what happens to Hillary once she finally goes away, but I do care about the future of the Democratic party. If her supporters want to take their marbles and go home, then so be it. However, in the final analysis, the party will undergo a realignment away from the Clintons and the DLC, and that's just fine by me.

[tabatha]

37. I am beginning to think that Hillary suppoters are psychotic.

When has he been hateful?

When Hillary (by her own words) threw the kitchen sink at him, he did not respond in kind.

He asked his supporters NOT to go to the meeting, because he did not want any fighting or disruption.

The only "disunity" people I heard today were from the Clinton camp.

PLEASE explain yourself.

[Tandalayo_Scheisskopf]

44. Notice, if you will...

The lack of explanation.

[OnyxCollie]

70. Hillary supporters are authoritarian personalities.

The behavior that seems illogical to you seems perfectly reasonable to them.

Hillary supporters:

-defer to power, even when they are being lied to.

-celebrate the use of excessive force in the name of the authoritarian figure ("obliterate" Iran).

-are conventional, thinking everything will be resolved once the authoritarian figure takes control.

But, hey. I'm not an associate professor of psychology, specializing in authoritarian personalities. I just play one on the Internets. This guy, however, is.

http://members.shaw.ca/jeanaltemeyer/drbob/TheAuthorita...

[LiberalFighter]

42. I don't know what kind of rules changes Hillary could mustered

that would benefit her considering that should Obama win the nomination he would likely win another term unless he totally screws it up.

And I don't know what kind of rule changes she would want implemented that would benefit the party.

[mhoran]

62. Hatred and disunity?

People like you crack me up! Black is white, white is black, up is down, down is up...do you really believe this nonsense, or are you just trying to be provocative?

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[StevieM]

71. The term "Mcgovernite" has nothing to do with liberal vs. conservative to me.

It's about a total lack of respect for others and an arrogant attitude that you have triumphed and the other side is kicked to the curb.

All Obama did was win big in caucuses. The revolution never caught fire the way he and you had hoped.

Steve

[Zhade]

80. We pretty much did triumph. clinton's toast.

Good to know I was right about who you are.

[StevieM]

97. Clinton's speaking in prime time at the convention and Obama doesn't have a prayer to win

without some serious campaigning on his behalf from her.

And Obama will be the first Democratic nominee in years who needed SDs to put him over the top.

Steve

[arikara]

134. Hmmm...

not caught fire...

[Patchuli]

94. *crickets chirping*

Give it up. It's over and she's not the people's choice. Now if she really gives a damn about her party and her country, she'd face reality and stop damaging our outcome in the GE. We need to fight McCain. The primary is OVER!!!!!

[primavera]

119. "Changing the rules"... yes, that sounds like her

But will people agree to her proposal to change the rules so that only her votes count?

[annabanana]

Interesting. The only thing Hillary had that I liked better than Obama's

was the health care plan. Her's would more easily advance to a single payer plan than his.

[Frances]

12. I understood that her health plan was better than his also

Actually I'd like to see her on the Supreme Court. She's tough enough to stand up to Scalia and Roberts.

I think Obama will make a good President. I so hope that he beats McCain.

[annabanana]

16. Hillary, A Supreme.... hmmmm not bad.. . .n/t

[Yael]

21. She FAILED the DC Bar exam

Yet you think she is qualified for SCOTUS.

Stunning.

[Q3JR4]

47. The constitution says nothing about

SCOTUS qualifications. In fact this country has had members of the Court who weren't lawyers, who hadn't even thought about going to law school.

The only qualifications there are are imposed by the President and Senate

Q3JR4.

[janet118]

59. Qualified, compared to who?

Clarence Thomas?

Wasn't he head of the EEOC or something?

I would like to see Hillary as Supreme Court Justice. She is definitely smart enough and she would be tough and fair. I would like to see her using some of her vaunted toughness against the right wing robed ones.

[Mojambo]

25. Yeah, same here. n/t

[Jackpine Radical]

130. Krugman was a Hillary supporter primarily

because of her health plan.

I've always been wary of Hill & health issues--ever since the '94 debacle, and especially in light of the industry's contributions to her--but I trust Krugman's analysis on something like this.

[MADem]

9. Fuck that shit. Health secretary? Who the fuck are they kidding?

Bottom line--the one-term McCain administration will likely not be nice to either one of them.

A D congress will keep him in check.

[tekisui]

20. C'mon now.

No McCain administration.

[CANDO]

35. You're dreaming.... wake the hell up!

Hillary will never be the Dem nominee. It is what it was always going to be. People don't like politicians with an entitlement mentality. Hillary was just a media created "inevitable candidate". Sorry. Not this year. Not any year. Clintons and Bushes need to get the hell out of our political system. They've done enough damage.

[undeterred]

106. Its much more than she deserves.

And you should grow up and accept it instead of acting like a Repuke.

[LiberalFighter]

11. Unless there is a viable Democrat to take her spot in the Senate

she should not accept the offer. Rather, go back to being a Senator.

[DJ13]

17. RFK jr. wants that seat

That was rumored to be one of the reasons he went against the rest of the Kennedy family in endorsing Hillary.

[LiberalFighter]

41. Must had been difficult for him to support Obama over Clinton

knowing the possibility that Clinton would for sure be gone as Senator if she won the Presidency.

Doesn't make any sense to support Obama with the result of Clinton staying as Senator.

[JanusAscending]

57. Can you read?

n/t

[LiberalFighter]

110. Did you understand results of each action? Apparently not!

[JanusAscending]

128. RFK Jr....

did NOT endorse Obama. He endorsed Clinton. The "poster" said maybe it was because he wanted Hillary's seat in the Senate, and that's why he was one of the few Kennedy family members to endorse her. Have I got it right so far??? OK. If she had won the nomination, her seat would be open for him to run, right? Are you with me? The only point I was making, in regard to my comment to you was, you said in your post that he(RFK Jr.) endorsed Obama, so what don't I "understand"??? Seems like you are the one who misunderstood the poster you were responding too. If you can make me see the error of my ways, I will indeed send you a big MEA CULPA!

[Frances]

127. Maria Shriver endorsed Obama

before the CA primary.

Other Kennedys also endorsed Obama.

[Yael]

22. RFK, jr and let her retire to her "home state" of New York

If she *has* to be in the senate, let her run for Bob Byrd's seat when he passes.

[Muttocracy]

76. this NYer is willing to get behind that idea!!! nt

[DJ13]

14. From a one time lock on being his VP to Health Secretary

I guess she should have stayed nice after that Texas debate!

[StevieM]

28. I doubt she wants either job (eom)

[Zhade]

83. Cool, because she won't be offered either.

NT!

[StevieM]

100. She certainly won't get HHS because Obama isn't going to win the GE.

He isn't qualified and he isn't even a good person.

Not that you get to say what will and will not be offered to HRC.

Besides, Obama is going to be desperately trying to get her to campaign for him.

Steve

[Yael]

18. HillaryCare Fail #2

Thanks, but I would prefer if they take the leash off of Conyers & Kucinich in a landslide.

We don't need this drama queen mucking up the works.

Clintons BE GONE.

[StevieM]

29. Sorry, she's going nowhere. Like it or not, Obama needs her help to win (eom)

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[mhoran]

63. Funny!

Time to change your medications. It could help you with your paranoia.

[StevieM]

73. I can't imagine she wants to be his VP. She probably realizes that he is a very bad person

and doesn't want that kind of association.

Steve

[Politicalboi]

91. Man are

You guys for real? Having her as VP would be like watching I Love Lucy D.C.

[AnOhioan]

126. Pot calling kettle on line 4

[Bette Noir]

79. Begone!

You have no power here.

[Telly Savalas]

58. So you think her positions are so close to McCain's that her supporters

will flock to McCain unless she instructs them to do otherwise?

[lark]

136. Her positions and Obama's are virtually identical

So HRC folks won't vote for McCain based on policy. They could however sit out the election, letting McCain win, if they continue to feel that they and their favored candidate are being dissed by the "boys". There's been a strong undercurrent of misogyinism in this race and a lot of women are not happy about that and may not be motivated to vote for Obama.

[SaveAmerica]

24. Yep:

[AllHereTruth]

27. Division vs. Cooperation

This sounds like the best option for the two respected democratic candidates. Many of you at DU have made this place of division, i understand the candidates have brought much of this on themselves, but we have to work together now to get the best person elected. Hillary Clinton has been a champion of helathcare for her entire political career, Let her thrive in this post. Do not forget she won California, Pennsylvania, and Ohio to name a few. For Obama and his supporters to shun Hillary would greatly weaken the chances of getting a Dem in power in '08

Truth.

[robinlynne]

32. She (and many of her people) are shunning the whole country. She needs to stop

this madness. threatening to vote for McCain is really quite terrible. Having her supporters protest the rules and ways committee, when SHE ENDORSED the same rules everyone else agreed to before the election is madness. Time for her to stop. now.

[lark]

137. More Obamite lies

Hillary NEVER threatened to vote for McCain. She has said repeatedly she will campaign and vote for the Democratic nominee. Quit putting your wishful thinking in place of reality. Hate is not a pretty thing, it distorts the truth until it's not even recognizable.

[Muttocracy]

77. so with 3 posts and a few weeks you are qualified to condemn DU

And by the way, a champion for something out to have won more battles on it than creating setbacks. Ted Kennedy is a health care champion. Hillary is not. And Hillary anywhere close to pres. is the best motivator for GOP vote turnout.

[AllHereTruth]

96. Let me clarify my statment...

*No where in my post did i say Hillary is the top healthcare advocate in American history. I did not say Hillary has more to do with healthcare reform than Ted Kennedy. And please Mr. "Joeisoneofus" do not paraphrase my comment as saying i condem the DU.

As a matter of fact i have come to love the DU. That is why i became a member. Can you understand that.

*The point i was trying to make was that we need Cooperation in the democratic party.

*Having said that let me go on the record as saying i am not a supporter of Hillary Clinton. But this party, this counrty, these citizens need to move forward in a positive way. In a forward thinking way. And the fact is, Hillary Clinton might have to be in the white house in some aspect. --a cabinet post is hardly the presidency-- so please all you criticizing, get over yourselves.

[primavera]

118. Absolutely, it's still a free country for the moment

She's entitled to her opinion. Welcome to DU, AllHereTruth!

[lark]

138. Ted Kennedy

OMG. The man is a total pig, hates Clinton because Bill got the nod and he didn't. Hated Carter for same reason and publicly dissed him at the convention when Carter won. Do I even need to mention Chappaquidick? Kennedy is the man responsible for No Child Left Behind. Yep, he's a real role model - NOT.

[Zhade]

84. Her 'health care' would have been a boon to insurance companies, not citizens.

Try again.

[redtornado]

31. And what if Obama loses??

What does Hillary get?? I big "I Told You So!"

Its not a slam dunk for Obama. He has a problem with white men and the working class. Hillary had the best chance to win in November.

[raystorm7]

39. 3 seconds left on the clock and Hillary is down by 20points. Its a SLam Dunk =)

[mhoran]

64. The GE will be a cakewalk vs. the Dem primary

McCain = Bush. End of story. The Obama can't win crowd is just bitter, plain and simple.

[hardtoport]

69. If he loses...

Then he loses. And I will STILL be glad I voted for him. He ran the better campaign and deserves his win. Don't hold your breath waiting for me to say " Oh, you were so right! ". What Hillary will get is not " I told you so, ". She'll get " Thanks alot, Ralph Nader. See if I ever vote for you. "

On the bright side, we will likely get a large majority in the House and the Senate no matter what, so we're not coming away from Election Day empty handed.

Oh, and the "problem with white men " argument is fallacious, BTW.

1. Democrats typically lose the " NASCAR Dad " demographic. Even Bill Clinton did not carry that demographic.

2. If a white man is that racist, what makes you think he'll be enlightened enough to pick his knuckles off the ground and pull the lever for a woman?

What you're doing is engaging in FUD. There is no one the Democrats could put up that is a guaranteed win. The only thing the party and the nominee can do is work their asses off and see what happens in November. I'm going to work my ass off for the nominee and not worry about the outcome. Why? Because the Democrats have enough playing-it-safe, oh-the-Republicans-scare-me, spineless wussies without me adding to their ranks.

[Muttocracy]

78. Hillary has problems with whites, black, men, women, Dems, GOP, and independents. nt

[AllHereTruth]

98. HIllary has problems......are you kidding with this?

JoeIsOneOfUs

Do you have any reason for posting this? Any information on the "Hillary hates everyone" front that i am missing? It seems to me this statement was pulled out of your ass with nothing to back it up.

Please try to understand that ever time you spew this "Hillary" hate song on progressive blogs you are creating division. Division in our own party...Please stop and think about that.

Thank you.

[primavera]

116. "Think about division in our party," what a good idea

Perhaps you should mention that to your candidate who elected to run such a negative campaign.

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

144. Then I'll go to your house and pretend to be a Republican

To see if I can get some free snacks at the victory party.

[keep_it_real]

34. A cabinet post for HRC in a Obama administration - no way

HRC is a has been; no one wants to look at her anymore or hear her.

[The Diest]

38. Why not VP? Seriously. nt

[Bette Noir]

85. You have to ask?

Given the attacks she has made on Obama, and continues to make, she's lucky if he offers her HHS.

This whole story could be false, however. Even if it's true, and Obama offers her the job, who says she'll take it? Last I heard, she was still planning a floor fight at the convention.

Given Obama's great charm, and McCain's dunderheadedness, Hillary's the thing standing in the way of 8 years of an Obama presidency.

[Zhade]

86. McLame plays the Tuzla video. Proves she's a liar.

Plays the video of her endorsing him over Obama. Undercuts the Dem ticket.

This STILL needs to be explained?

[wanpete]

40. the dateline on the article is 1/6/08. ??????

[LeftyMom]

45. Day/Month/Year

The standard way of doing it in the rest of the world.

[ladym55]

46. European date

They put the day before the month.

[brindis_desala]

48. In Britain the month is second= june 1st.

[Pastiche423]

60. The article was written for the Telegraph in the UK

01/06/08 = June 1, 2008 here.

[LeftyMom]

53. I had no idea anybody had invented a time machine.

She missed the last offramp for Dignified Exit months back.

[Prophet 451]

54. Not healthcare

I think both of their healthcare plans go in exactly the wrong direction by channeling more money to the insurance megacorps.

She might fit in well at Education though. IIRC, her speciality was in family law.

[Beregond2]

55. Oh, balls.

She has lost. Obama doesn't need to offer her a thing. If she wanted favors from him, she should have quit when she lost in February, and have spent the time since working for his election. After the disgraceful way she has conducted herself, he would be insane to let her within a mile of his administration.

[mhoran]

66. Agreed

No need to appease HRC. Her disgusting behaviors should not be rewarded. Just go away.

[Zhade]

56. Just as long as it's not HER plans for Universal Insurance Care.

Actually, fuck that, and fuck her - a proven liar like her shouldn't be ANYWHERE near Obama's cabinet.

[lark]

139. A mouth like yours

should not be allowed on this board. Such language, can't you think of anything more creative?

[ooglymoogly]

65. very relieved and very thankful. kr nt

[Xenotime]

68. This is all bullshit.

[Baby Snooks]

72. Ain't over 'till the fat lady sings...

And Hillary is morbidly obese at this point, barely can draw a breath because of it, but she ain't gonna sing until she sings on the floor of the convention. Just watch.

After all, as she said, anything can happen in June. What's most likely going to happen is she will split the party,and the nation, in half. One half will be the "hard-working whites" and the other half will be "those people." I'm white but one of "those people" just the same. Racism has no place in this country. And she certainly has no place leading it.

[aquart]

75. Condescending assholes.

A cabinet sop? Stuff it up an orifice.

SHE'S A SENATOR! Why the fuck would she trade that to be Obama's servant?

[Zhade]

87. Thankfully, she'll never get anywhere near the White House again.

Except maybe on a tour.

[Starbucks Anarchist]

90. She offered him the VP spot when she was losing.

Obama's being gracious, if anything.

[Hulk]

81. I hope she acknowledges the offer, but turns it down.....we NEED HER in the Senate!

Honestly, we need all the Democratic Senators we have and MORE strong ones. This is going to be a fight to the finish once this election is over.

If you think the neocon party is over once we have the White House, you are sadly mistaken.

newt-types are going to come out of the woodwork, and the neocon party will do everything and anything they can do to keep the Democratic Congress and White House move this country forward.

They love their lobbyists more than their country. Wait and see. They are showing it now, and they'll show it then. With scum buckets like liverwurst to help them, they'll fight the Democratic Party and the American public all the way....kicking and screaming!!

[Baby Snooks]

88. But she IS a neo-con

When are people going to wake up about the Clintons?

[AllHereTruth]

99. Clinton a Neo-Con? Yeaaa...

Baby Snooks

How are the Clintons "neo-cons" Please take a second and explain this to me.

I am not a supporter of the so-called "Clinton Legacy," but this entire comment seems to be divisive and ignorant.

[frog92969]

105. It may be divisive,

but not ignorant.

Study up on some Iran-Contra, Bill's pardons and international profiteering, and the DLC.
This is the experience she offers. Ever heard of Machiavelli?

[frog92969]

104. Hello

I'm awake!

She was (is?) their only hope, aside from martial law.
Operation chaos was NOT what it appeared to be, and diebold seemed to be very helpful.

[liberal N proud]

92. I contend that whoever the nominee is should place

most of the starting field in cabinet positions.

Obviously it will be Obama. I hope that Hillary, Edwards, Biden and Richardson at the very least get offers of positions. They are all outstanding and they are all what it takes to put this country back together again after bu$h has destroyed it.

[Miss Authoritiva]

93. I suppose it's possible...

I suppose it's possible, but would a second-term senator with a couple years left on the meter give it up just for a cabinet position? After all, cabinet secretaries serve at the president's pleasure and can be bounced at any time.

I don't know. I really don't see Clinton leaving the Senate for a cabinet position. I'm doubtful she'd even want the VP slot, although that seems more plausible.

Plus, I don't put much faith in newspaper stories that quote anonymously people who say they are friends of unidentified people who are purported to be members of the inner circles of the various candidates. It fills the columns inches but it's really wasted space.

[struggle4progress]

95. Oh, look! It's The Telegraph! Nine times out of ten, it's not a real news source

[sasquatch]

101. I don't see her taking it though

I see her being dragged out kicking and screaming.

[Frisbee]

102. Given that...

Health care reform is the one area (IMHO) that Hillary is actually better than Obama, I would LOVE to see this work out. I'm guessing that she'll find some reason to stay in the race though. Hope I'm wrong.

[Diane R]

103. The 'graceful exit' left the station 14 weeks ago. Too late, Hillary...we're getting the hook.

[undeterred]

107. ''Graceful'' and ''Hillary''

don't go together.

[cornermouse]

108. Doesn't an "unknown" person notifying the news media sort of negate

the illusion that they are generously offering her a "dignified" exit and pretty much guarantee that she won't be able to accept a place in Obama's cabinet unless she wants to live in perpetual humiliation? Oh wait. That's exactly what you all want, isn't it.

[harun]

111. I would prefer Dennis Kucinich in that position.

[progetto]

114. a smart but only symbolic gesture

I can't see any role for Hillary in his cabinet working out. He's better off showing her some respect at the convention and hope that she helps with his campaign in the fall.

[Zavulon]

117. Barack, don't give her a thing.

You don't owe it to her, and most of your supporters don't want anything to do with that bitch, yours truly included. The RFK comment alone should tell you what a piece of shit she is.

[AllHereTruth]

120. Media Drone.

"The RFK comment alone should tell you what a piece of shit she is."

Can you be any more of a "media drone." Cool your head. Look around. This country is in utter economic turmoil, We need to unite around one candidate, not bash another from the same god damn party.

If you decide to post another negative comment on a progressive website please direct it towards John McCain.

Thank you.

[Zavulon]

132. Welcome to DU! Some helpful advice:

You've got eight posts as of this writing and have decided to go around policing the site? Why don't you at least get your feet wet here before telling others what to do, taking your advice and shoving it up your ass for the time being?

If you've got a problem with IWR-approving, Bosnian-sniper-fire-ducking Hillary being bashed on this site, you're on the wrong site. I'm not the only one here who despises her, and for a variety of good reasons. She doesn't get a pass for her bullshit just because she has a 'D' after her name.

When I want your advice, I'll ask for it. Until then, why not at least get past single digits before allowing the rest of us to benefit from your immeasurable wisdom?

Be sure to put me on ignore if you can't stand Hillary being bashed, because I have no intention of stopping. Rest assured that by the time you read this, I'll have done the same to you.

[lark]

140. Divisive idiots like you could ruin our country

Don't you want a Dem to win? With HRC pulling in about the same number of votes as BHO, don't you think you need those other folks to vote for the Dem on the ticket in Nov? Yeah, let's make this a purity contest and let the Repugs totally throw out our constitution and free eduction and end social security - yeah, that'll show her. Idiots or naive children use language like yours - which are you?

[Zavulon]

141. Oh, please. She wouldn't help our ticket, she'd hurt it.

She voted for war in Iraq and has basically threatened Iran. She's a chronic liar even by Repug standards, she's as polarizing a figure as we have in politics, and she's slightly less likable than a screaming case of the runs.

Repugs who hate McStain because of his stance on illegals and other things that don't fit in perfect lockstep with so-called conservative thought aren't even remotely excited about having him on the ticket. Put Hillary on the ticket and those who are inclined to stay home on Election Day will go out and vote. That's really what we need.

Meanwhile, how many Hillary supporters are going to vote for McStain just because she didn't get what she sees as her entitlement (the nomination)? Christ, even I wouldn't do that. People who would are the "divisive idiots" who would "ruin the country," as you say, not me. She would get my vote by default, even though the very sight of her or sound of her voice makes me want to fling my lunch outward.

I have said this many times on DU before, but just to soothe your hypersensitive nerves I'll try it one more time: if Obama gets the nomination, he gets my vote, my time as a volunteer and my money. If Hillary does, she gets my vote (as I pinch my nose in the booth and hold a barf bag in front of me just in case) and nothing more. With McStain as the opponent of either, the idea that we need to throw a bone to the loser in order to make sure that all millions and millions of the loser's votes don't go directly to McStain is just the sort of naivete you seem to be accusing me of.

Obama is trying to unite the country - and just how would he do that if he caves in to the most divisive figure American politics has to offer? Even I'd lose some faith in the guy if he threw her a bone.

As I wrap up this post, let me say this: your post indicates an almost complete lack of understanding of politics and a tendency toward nothing other than melodramatic shrieking - you know, like that of your so-called "naive children."

Feel free to respond if you like, but I won't be reading your answer because your mentally bankrupt horseshit doesn't even remotely interest me. I read your pathetic analysis and insults, and all I got out of them was a good laugh. "Oh, no, if we don't throw a bone to Hillary, we'll lose free education, Social Security AND the Constitution! Only Hillary can save us! All HRC votes will go straight to McStain if we don't nominate her queen of something! The sun will explode if Hillary doesn't get the VP slot or a cabinet post! If Hillary is ignored, the Buffalo Bills and Minnesota Vikings will finally win Super Bowls and destroy football as we know it! We need to draft Hillary or we all die!"

Today marks the first time I've ever put two people on ignore in one day, but given that the length of my reply is inversely proportional to the intellectual value of your post, I have no problem with it. Have a nice life and try not to go through too many boxes of Kleenex if Obama does the smart thing and leaves Hillary with a lump of coal in her stocking.

Edited to add this link: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

[AllHereTruth]

143. See, this is what i am talking about.

"Oh, no, if we don't throw a bone to Hillary, we'll lose free education, Social Security AND the Constitution! Only Hillary can save us! All HRC votes will go straight to McStain if we don't nominate her queen of something! The sun will explode if Hillary doesn't get the VP slot or a cabinet post! If Hillary is ignored, the Buffalo Bills and Minnesota Vikings will finally win Super Bowls and destroy football as we know it! We need to draft Hillary or we all die!"

When did i ever say this in my post. When?
Have i stated that i am a Hillary supporter? No.
Do i think Hillary is a strong progressive candidate? No.
Did you pull this entire paragraph out of your ass to prove you irrational point? Yes.
Are you divisive in the text you choose to use, and the words you chose to speak? Yes

*You can say you will vote for Hillary if she wins the nomination, but your hate rhetoric does more to influence than you may think, especially when you cover it up in an eight paragraph essay response.*

Don't accuse me of "policing" this blog. Don't bash me for only having single digit posts. All i am doing is pointing out your divisiveness.

I am at DU because i am a strong progressive, a strong liberal. And to ignore me for calling you out is childish. You may never read this, which only shows that you are truly close minded at heart.

[ryanmuegge]

121. It's amazing how somebody so spineless can be so obstinate

She has a lot of courage when her personal vanity is at stake, rather than the lives of thousands of mere peasants in Iraq.

[TheFarseer]

122. from Senate to cabinet?

is that a promotion?

[EmeraldCityGrl]

125. I don't owe Hillary a damn thing!

Somewhere in the process we've lost the concept that she's a public servant and owes us.

Time to step back and gain some perspective. The party's becoming a laughing stock.

[liberalla]

129. Hillary should be able to make her own dignified exit, and

I wish she would. Maybe it's too much to expect (hope?) that she'll start behaving in a dignified manner now.

[progetto]

149. Obama shouldn't bribe her into doing the right thing.

show her respect (which is what he's been doing) and let her do the right thing.

[PATRICK]

142. A wary opinion

I think this is probably a very smart way to defuse outcome expectations by veering- in a positive way- the discussion of cabinet position away from the VP spot. Hillary has already tried to get health care passed from an indirect powerless position, even some would say, as the VP de facto in the Clinton team of old. The message is deeply clear in this gracious hint that it is agenda si, ambition no, and modeled after the precedented high road approach Edwards encouraged toward his own campaign.

Cold cynicism aside, it moves positively to all the proper next steps, to refocus on agenda, unity and service to the higher goals. While "central" it is not the only one to tamp out the fuse leading to faction competition that is purely a power rivalry. Once more there will be no purging(fifty per cent of the party leadership?) that is nice in theory for progressives but something they have never unwisely sought(at least to the reactionary extent that the DLC has gone after all "left" rivals and any good ideas or sacrificed practical progressive achievements for the good old days narrowed down to Clinton's reign).

Emerging from the clutches of the prolonged primary, wisdom rears its welcome head and Obama can now really show his stuff for the major work to be done. A smart beginning. I hope this works as well against McCain and the MSM obstacles. That requires a different wisdom and toughness, much different than what Hillary appeared ready or effective to do(IMHO), and this is where we have in the past fallen short.

[jberryhill]

147. It looks something like this.....

[DireStrike]

148. Hmm...

I'm happy the fighting's gonna end, but I don't think I want her in charge of healthcare. Sigh. Maybe she can do some REAL good when she can just focus on that, and deliver something that is really coverage, and not mandated patronage.