Palfrey Suicide Notes Are Released

[Freddie Stubbs]

Source: Washington Post

Deborah Jeane Palfrey, the Washington escort service operator who hanged herself last week, left behind a pair of suicide notes, including one that described her recent racketeering trial as a "modern day lynching."

Palfrey, 52, who faced a likely prison term for running a call-girl ring, wrote that suicide was the only "exit strategy" she had left, according to the notes left at her mother's residence in Tarpon Springs, Fla., where her body was found Thursday. She had been free pending sentencing July 24.

Officials released the suicide notes today. Written in looping, large capital letters on yellow legal paper, they were found on a nightstand in the Sun Valley Estates Mobile Home Park. Palfrey's mother found her body in a storage shed behind the home.

The Pinellas County medical examiner's Office ruled the death a suicide. Authorities expect a final report once toxicology tests are finished.

Detectives from the Tarpon Springs Police Department followed several investigative avenues, but found "no new evidence would indicate anything other than suicide by hanging," according to Capt. Jeffrey P. Young.

Read more: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/story/2008...

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Links to the notes:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/metro/documents/Mo...

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/metro/documents/Si...

[Waya]

1. Uh huh!

....and I got some Oceanfront Property in Death Valley I can sell you.................

[debunkthelies]

40. I'll trade you.....

for my oceanfront property in the Arizona Wht.Mt'ns. If that wasn't the biggest pile of B*^#$ Sh*%$t, from the Pinellas County M.E. Wonder what happened to her list?

[Quantess]

69. Here's a video. She says "No, I'm not going to commit suicide"

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

[dolo amber]

82. My cousin Mike killed himself in 1988

I wonder what he did to piss of the BFEE?

[BOSSHOG]

2. I would suggest that Ms Palfrey had one other option

She obviously did not want to go back to jail. I make this suggestion in all seriousness. She should have asked david vitter to ask his fellow compassionate family values conservative george bush to pardon her.

[indepat]

12. Hear, hear!

[OKthatsIT]

51. Oh really.

If you had been keeping abreast with the story you would have an entirely different reaction.

But simply put...her 'suicided notes' portray concern over her mother's well being. Then she kills herself in her mother's shed. That's a stretch!

We know the CIA/FBI/Secret Service/NSA has computer software to create 'voice synthecations'...it's highly probable they can do the same with 'signatures and writing'. They've probably had that in operation since WW2.

[bluestateguy]

3. I hope they rub it in the face of the pissant prosecutor and the prissy jurors

I will never vote as a juror to convict an adult of providing sexual services to another consenting adult.

[Duer 157099]

4. Very interesting handwriting

I wonder if that is how she always wrote? Very peculiar, imho. Perhaps an indication of her state of mind.

[mcollier]

6. Bullshit

[Duer 157099]

13. It's bullshit that I find her handwriting interesting?

That's interesting in and of itself! Maybe I'm just too curious about things, or find too many things interesting.

So, now I'm curious: what's "bullshit"?

[cartach]

45. That's how

mcollier writes normally. He/she would'nt find anything interesting about it.

[pacalo]

7. My theory is that she wrote what she was told to write.

A hit man working for cowardly, image-conscious politians would know a lot about her family; hence, the personal expressions used in the letter to her mother.

Just a theory, but the WaPo is the go-to newspaper for the WH cabal, who would like to nip this in the bud.

Another story about what I think was an assassination to quiet a prominent journalist, who supposedly died in an overdose "booze & sleeping pills" in 1965 when she was writing tell-all newspaper articles about the JFK assassination:

The Death of Dorothy Killgallen

[0rganism]

64. I suspect you're correct

The death squad probably threatened her family to force her to pen the "suicide" letter. "exit strategy" is an unusually bush-like turn of phrase for describing a suicide, maybe it was put in as a warning to the locals not to go too far investigating this incident.

[peace13]

5. If she had until July 24th why check out so early?

Why not put the names of some of your fancy clients in the letter? Those people who are ruining your life could feel some of your pain then. Also, isn't hanging pretty rare for women. I can see taking my possessions to my mother's house but I don't see killing myself at her place. I hope that I would have the decency to go to a hotel and do the deed, unless that is, I hung myself over the files that were stored in the shed. So sorry it had to end this way. peace, Kim

[judasdisney]

8. Many good points -- especially "Why not put the names in the letter?"

Don't believe your own ears when she said she wasn't going to commit suicide.

[Tippy]

75. Apperently she did leave a list of names

As far as her doing it when she did, she did it when she had the courage...she wanted her mom and sister to have her things, she didn't want others to be going through them. Prayers for her mom and sister, because they need them.

[MannyGoldstein]

9. So Sad, So Scary

What an awful thing.

I want to believe that this was not a murder. But, given the astonishing events of the past few years, I cannot rule out murder.

Ugh.

[jtt]

10. Why two stories on this

Suicide is not a viable "Exit Strategy". 10,000 people may be dead in Myanmar and all we get is more Clinton verses Obama, Wright garbage and this DC Madam stuff

[defendandprotect]

11. Once you become aware of the political violence we've been living with

here in America --- historically and overtly over the past 50 years ---

it becomes impossible to believe that the fates act so conveniently over and over again

to remove anyone in the way of the right-wing . . . !!! ??? !!!

[Mike Daniels]

21. There were more Dems on the list than Republicans......

according to Larry Flynt. He also said that the only "big fish" "family values" politician on the list was Vitter.

Maybe she presented a "threat" to someone on the left? Lord knows the left has had their share of dirty pols as well.

[crimsonblue]

48. well according to ABC...

there were a lot of higher ups in the Bushco admin on the list... It's a tough call on whom to believe (no sarcasm)....

[defendandprotect]

53. I was pointing to the overall situation we've been suffering . . .

not just this case --- and, if Bushco people were involved, that would supercede any majority of
those on the list being Democrats -- which, btw, I have no problem believing.

[spanone]

14. wasting no time in declaring the verdict...

[Duer 157099]

15. Here's my take on this situation (like anyone cares)

First, women *do* hang themselves, and they do it wherever they like, regardless of how it will affect the person who finds them.

Second, I get the feeling that finances were involved, such that perhaps she felt she could spare her mother some further pain by at least leaving her some $$, which additional legal fees would surely have depleated.

Third, whether she took her own life or not, she was murdered, like so many more in our society are when "the powers that be" decide to destroy someone's life. Sometimes it's not even a personal decision, but a fiscal one, like with insurance companies who deny claims, etc. Lives are destroyed and when suicide follows, people shake their heads and wonder why.

Fourth, I have heard her speak several times on various radio shows, and I also recall her saying that she would not kill herself. But, I also believe that sometimes people say that and then later change their minds.

Fifth, she seemed to have a fairly healthy attitude about death and the afterlife, and was not afraid to die.

Sixth, here's a news flash: EVERYONE is going to die! Dying is not the worst thing that can happen to someone!! I just fail to really understand our (as a society) attitude towards the ONE event that is completely absolutely undeniably irrevocably positively CERTAIN to happen to YOU no matter WHAT you do to try to prevent it! I'm not advocating a cavalier attitude towards death, but it just seems that we need to come to grips with reality a little bit better.

Seven, I still don't rule out the possibility that it was *not* by her own hand.

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

18. Eloquent

A thoughtful post, especially #6. I think in the last 100 years or so, as infant mortality dropped and people lived longer, death took on an almost obscene air--you don't talk about it, you hide it, you run as far from it as you can. And yet it is the fate awaiting all of us. I'm glad she had a healthy attitude about death and the afterlife. May she now be at peace.

[Skittles]

58. "the afterlife"

uh huh

[tblue37]

23. Philip Larkin wrote in his dark poem "Aubade,"

"Most things may not happen. This one will."

[wtmusic]

59. I like your take.

Re: #4, a close friend also said she would never commit suicide -- then did. IMO it was an attempt to convince herself it was impossible, when she never believed it was.

Why is diaper-boy David Vitter still in office and not Eliot Spitzer? Is not solicitation of prostitution a crime in LA? I can see several reasons why she would not want to live in a world where these questions need to be asked. But it's still frustrating and heartbreaking to see someone throw in the towel -- especially when cases like Don Siegelman's show promise.

[superconnected]

16. How convenient.

-The whole thing.

[Freddie Stubbs]

19. Convenient for whom?

[heliarc]

44. Pretty convenient for any Johns that want her to shutup. nt

Convenient that they published the suicide notes so soon after the murder. I don't know that I've ever known notes like that to be available so soon. I could be wrong though. Is it common practice now to post PDF's of people's suicide notes to their mother... Perhaps the family wanted them to be examined.

[Freddie Stubbs]

61. She has already posted her phone records on the Internet

[superconnected]

47. Whoever she could have fingered. She had politicians for clients.

Very embarassing, careers could be over for the exceptionally vocal hipocrites get caught when a prostitute confesses.

[Freddie Stubbs]

60. Isn't it true that she has publicly released her phone records and

has given names to Larry Flint?

If true, how would her death stop the outing of Johns?

[Mike Daniels]

76. Flynt had the list and has said in interviews that Vitter was the biggest fish

as far as busting a "family values" politician was concerned.

There may have have been some other big political/industry insiders in the list but Flynt wasn't going to release their names because there was no "hypocrisy angle".

Palfrey tried to intimidate people who probably had nothing to do with her prosecution by threatening to release names. I don't find her actions all that admirable in and of themeselves regardless of whether one feels her prosecution was correct or not.

She gambled with other peoples reputations and her attempt flopped. If she had any "block buster" names she had more than enough opportunity either directly or through 3rd parties to release them directly to the media.

The fact that all we got was a senator who up till then was probably mostly unknown outside of his state and a couple of policy wonks shows she had nothing in the pot.

She had already gone to jail once and came out pretty affected by the experience. Her claims to the contrary (which could have been another last attempt at shaking the tree) why shouldn't one believe that she would ultimately end her life as a way of avoiding prison this time around.

[bobthedrummer]

17. "DC Judge Appoints Lewinsky Lawyer to Defend Palfrey! Former Lawyer Banned!"

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

[Forrest Greene]

20. It Was A Murder n/t

[dixiegrrrrl]

22. I found these connections...

Her current lawyer, Preston Burton, from Law firm of Orrick Herrington
& Sutcliffe.
A partner in that firm is Lanny Davis. Lanny Davis is a fund raiser for Hillary's campaign.
an associate in the firm, named Zeno Bachus, is the son of a female reporter on the Washington Times.

dunno...there's gotta be more to this.

Anyone know anything else about this firm?

[flvegan]

24. Police, medical examiner rule 'D.C. Madam's' death a suicide

Source: The St Petersburg Times

TARPON SPRINGS -- Last week's death of 52-year-old Deborah Jean Palfrey -- the woman known as the 'D.C. Madam' -- has been ruled a suicide by the Pinellas-Pasco Medical Examiners Office, police said today.

Police said they had no reason to believe that Palfrey's death on Thursday was anything but a suicide. Palfrey's body was discovered hanging in a shed beside the home of her mother, Blanche Palfrey, in the Sun Valley Estates mobile home park on U.S. 19.

In suicide notes released by police this morning, Palfrey told her family she regretted leaving them to deal with her death, but was unable to face prison and saw no other way out. She also left a short note saying she was not to be revived or, if found alive, fed under any circumstances.

"I sincerely apologize for any pain which I have caused you in this lifetime," Palfrey wrote to her mother (PDF link) in a note dated April 25. "Additionally, I can't sufficiently express to you how badly I feel for this burden I am leaving you with here."

Read more: http://blogs.tampabay.com/breakingnews/2008/05/police-m...

[Frustratedlady]

25. Looks to me like she could have almost stood up and touched the ceiling.

Must have been a short rope or she pulled her knees up under her chin to do the job.

I'm not convinced.

[defendandprotect]

54. Have you seen photos of the area/shed?

[NJCher]

70. I checked online for the height of sheds

I just looked at sheds for the height at Home Depot and the tallest appears to be 10'. Most sheds are of lower height.

Here's a little write-up from when DJP was on CoasttoCoast.

Bio
Deborah J. Palfrey's assets and entire life's savings were seized by the Internal Revenue Service, on October 4, 2006, without notice. This was done via the civil asset forfeiture process and based upon the government's allegations that Ms. Palfrey had operated a prostitution business, in the Washington D.C. metropolitan area, from 1993 through August of 2006, when she ceased operation and retired. Ms. Palfrey adamantly disputes the government's claims of illegal behavior. The business, Pamela Martin and Associates®, functioned as a high-end adult fantasy firm which offered legal sexual and erotic services across the spectrum of adult sexual behavior and did so without incident during its 13 year tenure. Ms. Palfrey has chosen to stand up for what is right and not permit the government to do to her what it has done to so many other citizens embroiled in essence, this 'legal theft'.

I heard that interview. I recall thinking how intelligent and level-headed she seemed. I was angry at the federal govt's tactics with her. I concur with the poster on this thread who says that even if she did commit suicide (which I doubt), she was murdered anyway because of the ruthless tactics of this government.

(Please note I cannot call it "our" government.)



Cher

[no_hypocrisy]

26. And the family of Elisabeth Fritzl in Austria thought that she ran away to live with a cult

after her father forced her to write that note so he could continue to hold her hostage in the family's basement for nearly 25 years.

Suicide? Maybe elements suggesting it, but I'm not convinced by this quality and quantity of evidence.

[fascisthunter]

27. I Say Florida is Corrupt

and this report is BS.

[rurallib]

28. Any idea if there is a way to open an investigation?

This seems that it would scream for some kind of an independent investigation.
One thing I have never heard is if the 'suicide' note was handwritten or not. Many other questions also, like what party is the medical examiner?

[nebula]

29. Women don't hang themselves

she was probably strangled to death.

then they hanged the body to make injury to her neck look like suicide.

[Doctor Cynic]

30. There's a difference there.

If someone is strangled the vertebrae is usually snapped by the force of the hands.

If she hung herself from a short distance the vertebrae is not snapped.

If she hung herself from a long enough drop the vertebrae is broken. This is what happened with Saddam.

This is apparently the suicide note: http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/years/2008/0505081...

[nebula]

31. Women don't hang themselves

Ever.

[Duer 157099]

34. BULL SHIT n/t

[endarkenment]

36. The googler says wrong.

A brief look shows that at least australian women do hang themselves:
http://www.nisu.flinders.edu.au/pubs/bulletin23/bulleti...

[TroglodyteScholar]

66. Yea, and they don't fart, either. n/t

[DU9598]

33. Why would she have believed she would be penniless ...

as she states in her "suicide note"? She could have written a tell all book for publication and distribution on the day she walked out of jail and have been a millionaire. It does not add up.

[Mike Daniels]

35. Based on Larry Flynt, there was no real scandalous material

Vitter was the only "hypocrite" on her list in that he walked differently than he talked.

Flynt wasn't interested in outing anyone who wasn't spouting "family values" and given that there were more Dems on the list than Republicans I would say those Dems on the list hold more than their share of the blame in not coming to her defense.

[Sequoia]

39. and that bit about being lonely.

She was already a single woman, so that sounds bogus to me.

[heliarc]

43. I hate to argue grammar

but it's always been a pet peeve...

the correctly constructed phrase in the past tense is:

"hanged herself"

"hung" is reserved for anything that isn't a person in a noose.

[crimsonblue]

49. yeah.. it will eb interesting when the autopsy comes back...

It takes a fall of greater than 2-3 feet to snap the vertebrae (various governments have compiled stats on this). Anything shorter doesn't snap the neck, unconsciousness doesn't occur, and the person dies a horrible death by strangulation. It should be very easy to identify which occurred. If it was a short fall, and no signs of struggle (e.g. claw marks at the neck, rope in the finger nails, etc) then I don't think murder can be conclusively ruled out (meaning she was drugged then hanged).

[onenote]

63. wrong: one out of five suicides among women is by hanging

Do actually think you know what you are talking about or do you just make up things to fit your preconceived notions?

http://www.suicide.org/suicide-statistics.html#2005

[bobthedrummer]

32. "DC Judge Appoints Lewinsky Lawyer to Defend Palfrey! Former lawyer Banned!"

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

[defendandprotect]

55. One of your most interesting references . . .

A DU collaborative investigation: Thelma Colbert, Shannon Ross and other deaths at DoJ"
archived thread I started May 8, 2007--don't expect too much from law enforcement on this, the corruption goes right into the WH and DoJ investigators have been murdered too

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph ...

Unfortunately the link isn't working --

This is an election year and understanding the power of what they did to Clinton re a "sexual scandal" --- though not successful in the way they hoped --- it is a lingering scandal ....
in some minds.

[bobthedrummer]

65. "A DU collaborative investigation: Thelma Colbert, Shannon Ross and other deaths at DoJ"

this link works
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

The inspiration for that came from MSC2007's thread
"Medical Supply Chain Decries US Attorney General Alberto Gonzales..."
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

I first encountered domestic politically connected death squads in 1969-in the context that black ops associated operatives/criminals that claimed government immunity for their crimes literally got away with murder and many other things. Ask any ethical law enforcement community-they'll verify that fact.

The networks that exsisted then have been consolidated/"privatized" by the BFEE. Debra Jeane Palfrey was more than likely part of a black op network and not only knew too much but was fighting back with what she knew.

[defendandprotect]

67. A lot of big names involved in this cartel game-playing . . .

Funny how the public tends to think that those ripping off Medicare are "Welfare Queens" . . !!!
Also, a reliable way to destroy/bankrupt Medicare ---
and it looks like they may be reaching success in that regard!

The use of the Patriot Act to keep crony-anti-trust monopoly going . . .
with GE, Merck and a number of other notable US firms involved in this cartel-game . . .

The Western District of Missouri US Attorney office under Todd P. Graves had been active in prosecuting Medicare fraud. Medical Supply Chain, Inc.'s civil antitrust suit against Texas based Novation LLC, Volunteer Hospital Association (VHA), University Health System Consortium (UHC) and Neoforma, Inc. alleges the companies formed a cartel and were involved in a scheme to monopolize hospital supplies to defraud Medicare through payments to administrators and kickbacks.

and ...


He was replaced by Bradley J. Schlozman. Get this: He worked in the Justice Department - and was one of the primary guys who helped get approval for Tom DeLay's controversial Texas redistricting plan. In other words, a true Bush supporter. Schlozman not only didn't prosecute Medical Supply Chain's case, according to Lipari he helped get Lipari's lawyer disbarred:

"Texas Redistricting plan" ---
"helped get Lipari's lawyer disbarred" --- !!!

and ....


Attorney General Alberto Gonzales used a little known provision of the USA PATRIOT Act to replace Todd P. Graves with Bradley Schlozman. Bradley Schlozman failed to prosecute public corruption related to the Medical Supply Chain litigation and failed to enforce civil rights laws related to the Novation LLC defendants success in getting Medical Supply Chain's counsel Bret D. Landrith disbarred. Samuel Lipari raised these concerns before the US Court of Appeals for the Eight Circuit. On January 16, 2007 Attorney General Gonzales tried to quell criticism of the mass US Attorney firings and the misuse of the USA PATRIOT Act by announcing John Wood would be taking Schlozman's place in Kansas City.

and . ..

Why didn't the Senate Judiciary Committee ask Gonzales under oath, WHAT the US Attorneys were investigating before they were fired, or in this particular case, included the death of 2 assistant US Attorneys? WHY didn't they bring up the fact that the entire fraud division of the US Attorney's office in Dallas/FtWorth was wiped out?)

"the entire fraud division of the US attorney's office in Dallas/FtWorth was wiped out" . . . ??!!

All backed up with rapid response deaths for two assistant US attorneys ---



PS re Debra Jeane Palfrey . . .

Debra Jeane Palfrey was more than likely part of a black op network and not only knew too much but was fighting back with what she knew.

Not quite sure how you mean this but the idea that there were MORE Dems on the list points to maybe a set-up to trap and blackmail Democrats? While also being a place to get custom work done for
GOP members?
As someone else has said, trying to LEAVE would be like trying to leave the Mafia.

Thanks!

[BreweryYardRat]

37. Yeah. I'm sure.

Let's see the autopsy photos/X-rays.

[defendandprotect]

56. I'd be looking for unexplained injuries . . .

[librechik]

62. defense wounds, marks from a taser, maybe they drugged her first

and that would show in the tox screen. Odd that the "verdict" came out so quickly. All very interesting and out of reach of we the readers, no doubt.

This will settle nothing for certain folks with inquisitive minds.

[Ronnie]

38. "Written in looping, large capital letters... "

Somewhere I've read that when people want to disguise their handwriting, they write in large-case letters.

[dogday]

41. Never mix Exit Strategy and the Government

We all know how that ends... A real dead end for sure.....

[heliarc]

42. Uhh... anyone else think this smells mighty fishy?

"However, I cannot live the next 6-8 years behind bars for what both you and I have come to regard as this 'modern day lynching', only to come out of prison in my late 50s a broken, penniless and very much alone woman."

I apologize for any disrespect to the family who has surely just experienced a terrible loss, but this does not sound like it was her words at all. Why would she say "late 50s" to describe her age to those closest to her?

I don't believe a woman as strong as she was did this without either being killed or coerced through threats.

[dogday]

46. You know she knew the consequences of her actions and it

takes a strong personality to do that... I don't see it either.. Young girls go to jail every day... This woman was seasoned... And penniless? You mean she wasn't stashing her cash either?

[cstanleytech]

57. She was involved in a major scandal so of course its fishy,

after all if the rumors are true there were many important, rich and powerful people who were her clients so yeah it smells but it is possible that it is just a suicide like other people do as well.
If she was silenced though I doubt we will ever know.

[ismnotwasm]

50. I don't know about a "hit" or not

But for those who have the time, here's her 30 page disposition (ala The Smoking Gun)from a bust in '91

Interesting attitude.
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/years/2007/0713072...

[mitchum]

52. She was murdered in such an uncharacteristic way...

in order to send a message to others.
This was a deliberately brazen way to get that message across.

[The Flaming Red Head]

68. Every hi profile madam involved with Louisiana politicians hang themselves

It actually started with a very well connected Louisiana lady named Sue (L.) back in the late 1980s. She hung herself in federal prison in TX after being convicted on possession (not prostitution charges) for cocaine. She only faced a few years. Her little black book included most of the Louisiana legislature of that era. And the one that followed her hung herself,too and so on and now another one.
It seems strange that they all choose to hang themselves after getting mixed up with the Louisiana politicians. Cruel way to die when all they did was provide pleasure.

[Dreamer Tatum]

71. No, she killed herself

And she left *several* suicide notes in her own handwriting. For crying out loud, sometimes a banana is just a banana.

For anyone who comes with the "but she said she would never kill herself" thing, let me ask you something: isn't that
a peculiar thing to say? That you WON'T kill yourself, or even that you would? I would bet that anyone who goes to the
bother of saying aloud that they won't kill themselves is at grave risk of doing just that.

[bdamomma]

72. I do not believe this woman committed suicide.

she had too much incriminating information of those who used her service in the government.

[Mike Daniels]

78. Then why didn't she start naming names as soon as she was convicted?

From the time she was initially arrested/charged she implied that she has all these big names as clients. Yet, the biggest "family values" fish Larry Flynt finds is Vitter. If you think Flynt didn't have investigators checking over that list frontwards and backwards with a fine tooth comb you're nuts.

A few other sources uncover two policy wonks in the government whose names likely solicited "who the hell's that?" from the public.

According to Flynt there were more Dems on the list than Republicans. If all you're looking to do is out a bunch of bigwigs who were cheating on their wives you better be willing to release the names of everyone who qualifies regardless of their political affiliation.

Just be prepared for the public to give a big collective yawn at the names.

[Imagevision]

73. I wonder what happened to her booklist of DC. clients...?

[JPZenger]

74. 55 years for prostitution was too much

Yes, she deserved some punishment. However, 55 years imprisonment was way too much for her crimes. There are people who commit multiple violent crimes who get much less prison time.

[Freddie Stubbs]

81. She wasn't convicted of prostitution

At least not this time.

She was convicted of money laundering, using the mail for illegal purposes and racketeering.

[Doctor_J]

77. Two notes?? "Exit Strategy"??

David Vitter's problems are now over, and so are Cheney's.

[KamaAina]

79. Here you go...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

[Vidar]

80. Executed & covered up by the same gang that offed the Kennedys.

[robertpaulsen]

83. Didn't David Ferrie also leave two suicide notes?

Just wondering.

[bobthedrummer]

84. ^^ ^^^ ^^^^ ^^^ ^^