Screech speech haunts Dean

[hedgetrimmer]

link: http://news.scotsman.com/international.cfm?id=85022004

~SNIP~

ALEX MASSIE
IN WASHINGTON


WITH John Kerry streaking past him in the polls, the Democratic presidential candidate Howard Dean yesterday tried to laugh off the infamous Iowa losing speech that is threatening to destroy his campaign.

Hoarse from a heavy head cold, Mr Dean joked that his voice had not recovered from his "screeching" before the TV cameras on Monday night.

Instead of fighting his fellow Democrats ahead of Tuesday’s New Hampshire primary, Mr Dean’s campaign is almost completely focused on his arm-waving, screaming performance, which has been mercilessly lampooned on the internet and late-night talk shows.

"I have still not recovered my voice from my screeching in Iowa," Mr Dean said at a town-hall meeting in Lebanon, New Hampshire. "I have my warts, and sometimes I say things that get me into trouble."

... more...

[Southsideirish]

1. Nice try - but according to Zogby - his numbers are going back up.

Just saw him on Fox and he said Dean's decline has leveled off and he sees an uptick in his ratings.

[Born Free]

38. Dean should run ads throwing it back at them

I think Dean should start running ads using the same news clip the media is using, perhaps showing two different groups watching the ads. One group could be the elite, country club, Enron , "Kenny Boy" Lay crowd in their most snobbish voice saying Dean is just a mad man, and then show another group of hard working Americans covered with sweat and dirt from their jobs saying "Go Dean" the voice over could point out that's it all depends on your point of view, and ask, where are you? Is it mad or enthusiasm for a better America?

[shanti]

42. humor

i think he should put some humor into and laugh at himself. make light of it and it should fade away.

[mdmc]

65. he can't ignore it

he can get over it

[are_we_united_yet]

2. For God sake!

IT ISN'T THAT BIG A DEAL! What is the matter media? IS Kobe, Jack-o and Peterson not enough minutia for you to peddle.

(Frustration aimed at the media not the poster)

[hedgetrimmer]

4. thank you..n/t

[Tyler Durden]

9. I wish you were right.

Anything that minimalizes one candidate damages them all.

The radio stations in Detroit have parodied that speech for ADVERTIZING.

[are_we_united_yet]

59. I am right

media whores do as they please or as they are paid to do. Just because other media outlets are jumping on the bandwagon of a story that was trash to begin with, doesn't mean they are on to something substantive and in this case, emphatically not. Think about this: really really think about this: The media whores say Dean's behavior was inappropriate/embarrassing/unpresidential/whatever because he just got the pants beat off him in the Iowa caucus and he was just trying to rally his folks who were unquestionably a little disappointed? So he gives them an admittedly a-bit-over-the-top speech and showed a little emotion? This is a story? Gimme a break.

Don't take the bait! Media whores want you to think he has committed the equivalent of an impeachable offense which he has not. Dean wants these butt munches in Washington out of work and so do I. The media whores have a fairly embarrassing and unethical track record themselves so they are hardly credible judges of character. Hell, not too long ago they were kissin *'s arse for being such a wonderful leader.

As for parody for advertising, people who buy into that kind of crap were going to vote for * anyhow in my opinion.

[leesa]

23. It's their job to discredit Dem candidates...they work for the GOP

Remember the debates? Gore lost because of his make-up. When Kerry was making noise awhile back, it was the price of his haircut.

Absolutely nothing happened, but our media, who are traitors to Democracy, are manipulating the elections just as much as Diebold or Jeb Bush/Katherine Harris have done and intend to do in the future. We have to fight back against these monsters. They are destroying the Democratic party and WE fall for it each and every time they do it.

[Karenina]

62. I finally saw the clip last night

and what REALLY SCARES ME is the false media "characterization" that has taken on a life of its own. I wouldn't even use the word "screaming" to describe what I saw. The guy was cheerleading! I kept asking my kid, "Are you SURE this is the clip they're going on about?" :crazy:

[screembloodymurder]

30. I want my candidate screaming

mad. It shows he's been paying attention.

[ldf]

48. absolutely!

it's the old saying: (or something like it....)

"if you can keep your head while everyone around you is losing theirs, then you obviously do not have a good grasp of the situation."

but the media is also (purposely) completely disregarding the context.

dean was thanking hundreds of young people who came to iowa to work for him. they were very disappointed. dean's job at that point was to give them a rousing pep-rally kind of talk. he did it.

yet the media paints it as "howard losing it", dean "screeching".

as far as being unpresidential, then obviously every coach who has given his team a similar pep talk is not fit to be president.

typical media crap.

[HereSince1628]

3. Part of the problem is that Friday's news about the US

actually has to be at best Thursdays news because of the time difference.

This is nothing more than an effect of the echo chamber.

[FloridaPat]

5. It looks like the media is going to pick Bush's opposition

for the election. They are coming up with the dumbest stuff. Tons of lies. Like Peter Jennings last night talking to Clark about Michael Moore's comments about Bush deserting. He pointed out there was no proof and suggested Clark renouce Moore. And that guy is a journalist, supposidly. Can these reporters read? There is tons of proof. Expect more in the future of this kind of crap against the people with the best chance of beating Bush.

[JoFerret]

7. Too bad Clark was unable,

or unprepared, to take that on and turn to his advantage. I wish he were. But - he is just not that well versed in domestic policies issues nor how to handle hostile questioning. The learning curve here is too steep. He needs to know more, care more, learn more.

[meisje]

13. I guess we should just switch to your guy

Let me guess... Kerry

[Bandit]

43. All he had to say that it would be very easy for Bush* to disprove these

accusations by releasing his military records. Every other candidate has done so why hasn't Bush*? If there is no truth to the accusations show us. Quite simple. The military keeps very good records of pay stubs. Lets see Bush*'s pay stubs for the period in question.

[PassingFair]

57. All he had to say was www.awolbush.com

He muffed it big time. Hope Mr. Moore's taking a closer look Dean.

[gate of the sun]

16. I agree it is ridiculous

how the media latches on to these truly stupied things and then plays them to the hilt and on the other hand hide the complete lack of coherency in our president. If the media played fairly and blasted anyone who did something dumb in politics that is....everyone would think Bush was a raving idiot.

[Democat]

24. They aren't just going to pick him, they are going to destroy him

With the entire media being right wing, what chance do we have? Not much.

[Longhorn79]

28. Jennings was playing a card

You don't think that newly-appointed American has given up yet, do you? He was raising the issue in order to publicize that very fact without looking too blatantly partisan. Give the guy some more credit.

[AngryWhiteLiberal]

46. BINGO! Power elite have Kerry to fall back on if Bush Loses

Kerry is Bush in a different guise. Both are Skull-n-Bones, both come from priviledged backgrounds, both have oodles of money and are elitists.

BTW - Release your FINANCIAL RECORDS Sen. Kerry! Oh, you won't? Why not? Afraid that people will see that you are NOT the "common man" you pretend to be?

The Corporate Media and power elite are picking Kerry as a backup for a hold on power...period.

JB

[frogfromthenorth2]

6. From a NEUTRAL observer here is my take on Dean

He will not win the Dem nomination. Had the appeal of the rookie but he is not up for the job. Few months ago, I was sure he was the man... Now I look at Edwards and he looks more electable to me. Clark, I am not sure. Made some goofy mistakes at the start...

[JoFerret]

8. Dean is totally fine...

...except for the fact that he can't be elected. He has done so many really important things and truly contributed to the democratic process. Thank-you Dr. Dean. But - now the issues morph. It is clear that Iowa voters, and now perhaps New Hampshire voters, have but ONE issue on their minds: Who can beat Bush? It is driving them to choose clear distinction fro GWB but someone they perceive has broader appeal. Thank-you voters.

[styersc]

10. It's sort of pathetic but true-

In the first TV debate against Kennedy, Nixon refused make-up so he looked all washed out on camera. This helped to defeat Nixon.

Muskie cried and it was over for him.

Dean screamed and a good man was done in by television.

[JoFerret]

21. I don't think the "flaws" here

..are that cosmetic.

[stickdog]

64. Y'all wish.

It's so funny to see all this reaction to a human being being human.

[sendero]

25. Once again....

... I remind everyone that you have to go all the way back to JFK to see an example of a Senator getting elected President. In the meantime, several governors (Carter, Clinton, Reagan, more depending on how you count them) have been.

So be very careful when you start deciding what is 'electable'. Insiders are at a distinct disadvantage IMHO.

[Comadreja]

54. The speech had little effect, IMO

What hurt us in Iowa was young voter indifference. You just can't go wrong by overestimating the apathy of the American voter.

[Betty]

11. Dean's not my favorite, but...

Why does the media think his performance in that speech precludes him from being President, when the present squatter in the White House can barely string together a coherent sentence in proper English? Not to mention (but I will) lying about why we had to invade Iraq, running up the biggest deficit ever, setting us up for a huge financial meltdown when the rest of the world wakes up to the fact that US Treaduries are not the thing to be investing in... tearing apart the separation of church and state, the "Patriot" act, what he's doing to the enviornment........etc. etc. etc. Why is THAT all OK?

[gate of the sun]

18. because the media

is owned heart and soul by the masters of deception.

[bleedingheart]

12. The media thought Al Gore was too boring and now Dean is too Wild!

yet there is a MORON in the white house who can't even speak coherently and people are worried about someone who is enthusiastic...

I kinda liked his speech....reminds me of things I do....

[goforit]

60. And I love this wild man!!!!!...........Nothing like having LIFE!!!!

Swing hard DEAN!!!!!!!!!!

[Solly Mack]

14. What an incredibly asinine thing to focus on

sad

[bobbyboucher]

15. For what it's worth, I was listening on radio

to a sports/talk show and the main guy was playing the Dean speech for humor's sake, and his sidekick, Brent Jones, former 49er, who seems kind of righty to me based on things he has said in the past said "I would vote for that guy. I like that stuff. He's enthusiastic. He was firing up his workers and he was screaming, so what. We need that kind of enthusiasm in in politics". Of course that is not the exact quote, so maybe I shouldn't have used the quotations, but he was kind of fired up by it, and he ain't no liberal.

So let's wait and see. Personally, I think he should do it again. When he gets his voice back.

[gate of the sun]

19. I haven't heard the speech but I agree

so what if he screeched.

[lostnfound]

61. Here's a link that gives it great perspective

http://homepage.mac.com/brianflemming/howard_dean/bush_vs_dean.html

It was posted here on DU GD but locked. I liked it so much that I sent Dean $100.

[Born Free]

39. I agree, he should use it

"to a sports/talk show and the main guy was playing the Dean speech for humor's sake, and his sidekick, Brent Jones, former 49er, who seems kind of righty to me based on things he has said in the past said "I would vote for that guy. I like that stuff. He's enthusiastic. He was firing up his workers and he was screaming, so what. We need that kind of enthusiasm in in politics". Of course that is not the exact quote, so maybe I shouldn't have used the quotations, but he was kind of fired up by it, and he ain't no liberal."


This is what I think most Americans will think IF democrats stand up to the media. I think Dean should run with it as an ad, let the average American decide as opposed to the elite corporate controlled media taking their cues from the RNC. We went through this before in 2000, the more democrats try to appease the media elites, the more they will make an ass of the democrats. The cycle must be broken, democrats must stand up and refuse to let the elites dictate the rules of the game. We know what makes a good president and WE need to make sure others in America do too. If you give in to the media now we will have a re-run of 2000.

[Comadreja]

55. Did anyone get it on camera

with his supporters in the background?

[ACPS65]

17. Great news

.

[american_mutt]

20. Was there this much hoopla

over O'Liely and his rants and verbal abuse? Or any of Flush's?

[justjones]

22. For me, this is the most clear example of....

How the media can manipulate the public's perception of someone. It's reported AS FACT Dean was out of control when he was merely rallying his supporters, and they are saying his campaign has lost momentum even though that is yet to be seen since there's numerous state primaries yet to go....yet, the Chimp in the Oval Office, the squatter, that bumbling fucking idiot, can go around thumping his chest and taunting our enemies with "Bring it on!" like some knuckle dragging neanderthal, as if our military might is connected to his manhood, or lack thereof, and no one said he was out of control.....

I didn't think I could get more disgusted with the media, but the past few days have proved me wrong.....

[wabeewoman]

26. Welcome

American Mutt and justjones. The good side of this is now we can see what the media is going to do to our candidate. I think we should all be defending ALL the democratic candidates. When compared to bush they are all SOOOOOO much better.

[DemonFighterLives]

27. Did anyone see Shrub in the rib joint?

He made Dean look entirely too intelligent for the job. He asked reporters about 10 times if they wanted some ribs and even asked a pregnant woman if baby wanted some ribs.
When I first saw Dean doing his scream speech, I was cringing a little, but it really does no harm in the long run. Actually when I hear it on the radio now it brings a smile to my face and I think I have said Eeehaa about 20 times since the speech.
EEehaa! brothers and sisters

[dawn]

52. Yeah, that was bizarre

What was the deal with that?

"Want some ribs?" I could tell that the lady he had his arm around couldn't stand it.

[DemonFighterLives]

66. She was squirming wasn't she

Bush looked like a real idiot. I don't think there was a thread here even.
The new kinder/gentler Dean is coming back, but now he is too mellow, IMHO. You can't get through to hardheads being soft spoken.

[thethinker]

29. I am so fed up with hearing about Dean's speech

All I have heard all day on radio and TV is how bad Dean looked and how he has ruined his chance to win.

The media is trying to pick the Democratic candidate for us.

I am also fed up with hearing them say certain candidates can't beat Bush. ANYONE can beat Bush. Look at the math: Gore got 500,000 more votes than Bush last time and Nadar got around 3 million (I think this figure is correct). I doubt that any of these people will vote for Bush this time.

The only way the Republicans can win is by cheating with the voting machines. Which is exactly what I think they are planning. And when they do, the media will tell us our candidate was not just not popular.

[arikara]

31. You said it!

I've heard the speech about 4 times on the radio and its just no big deal at all. I think its kinda cute. And now I just feel really sorry for him.

If the media had jumped all over the moran chimp for any of the idiotic things that he said the way they are going on about this, he wouldn't be *resident. And if they'd do their job and report truthfully on the lying liar's lies, NOBODY would vote for him and it wouldn't matter about crooked voting machines.

BTW... welcome to DU, thethinker!

:hi:

[8 ball]

33. 8 ball sez:

This story is occupying way too much of the 24 hour news cycle: how will we know anything about Ben and J-Lo, or Namath all sloppy drunk?
Anyone know what's going on with Britney? Of course not! All we're getting is wall-to-wall coverage of Dean's growl!
Makes 8 ball want to growl!

[Voltaire99]

32. Helluva enjoyable outburst, actually

This is exactly what you want from somebody who's just lost a vote: defiance and determination. And hell-for-leather passion.

All the prattling from the right wing, their centrist colleagues and corporate media whores strikes me as silly and desperate. Terrified that a populist could enflame public passions for real democracy, they'll do anything to portray this great lungfilled moment in a bad light.

This cements it for me: I'm going to back Dean. Rare as it is in politics, there's evidence of a human being inside that man...

[brook]

34. There were actually...

a handful of callers on C-SPAN a few moments ago who each pointed out the media role in labeling Dean as "out of control" and the absurdity of it all. One caller went on to say that Tweetie played the clip over and over last night. (I turned him off when I realized that that was exactly what he was going to do). It made me feel better to hear these folks...I was begining to think I was the only one who thought this was just a media hatchet job and much ado about nothing. Dean is still my first choice, though I'm an ABBer to the core.

[hey2370]

35. Tweetie likes Dean and did him a favor here

By letting all of his numbnut commentators swing away at Dean (even the "Democratic" strategists said he was deranged and unelectable) while showing the clip over and over in it's entirety, he showed us again how isolated and out-of-touch the media is, how poor their judgment is, not just in this particular case, but in nearly every instance.

The media has no ability, no savvy anymore. Journalists who are intelligent and interested in facts and substance are weeded out of the media in favor of people who can spin events in a sufficiently snarky manner, as if they and their families are completely protected from the real world consequences of what they don't report on.

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

36. An NPR commentator was reading a letter from a viewer:

"If sportswriters got it wrong as often as political pundits, they would be fired."

[llmart]

37. I heard that neaderthal, Jack Cafferty of CNN

say about Dean "do you want that man with his finger on the button" (or some such nonsense). I could only think, oh, right, instead we should have someone with the IQ of a turnip who can't even eat a pretzel properly.

[Snellius]

40. They're just looking for an excuse to back out of supporting him

If Dean had won Iowa with Kerry's lead, everyone would have talked about his rousing enthusiasm. But when they think you're a loser, nothing you can do looks right.

[BiggJawn]

41. What, no SHARK ATTACKS for the Media Ho's to report on?

This is SO "Non-News" it isn't even funny anymore.

Even Scott Simon was getting in on it on NPR this AM.

You wanna know what *I* think?
I think that everytime I see somebody on TV or hear them on the radio milking that "YEEEE-HAWWWW" I say to myself "Yep, there's ANOTHER media outlet firmly attached to the GOP's weenie..."

This is Rove, Inc.'s Talking Point: Dean is an angry guy who screams at people, and thus would be a poor choice for President.

Oh, and why is a guy who is getting fired up and says "We're gonna take back the White House, Yeee-hawww!" is any less suited for office that a guy who says "Hey, Andy, you're Chief of Staff, you think you could possibly get us some Cheeseburgers?"...

I'm sick of this shit, and I'm not even a Deanie.

[mefoolonhill]

44. dean speech

The key to that Dean rant is the ending- if you watch the video, you will see that he has a huge smile, and chuckles at himself as he wraps it up. He was clearly just doing a spoof, a humorous college style rah-rah energizing of his supporters there in attendance. It was not the crazed, angry speech that the media made it out to be.

[BigDaddyLove]

51. I have to agree........

Until I saw the speech with my own eyes and heard it with my own ears, I believed it was every bit as bad as the Anti-Dean posters here made it sound.

Upon actually seeing it myself, it was exactly as you characterize it....an energizing, uplifting rally for his supporters.

[llmart]

53. or refers to someone who works for him

as "turd blossom". (Yeah, that's real classy and presidential.)

[bvar22]

45. The more the Pro-Corporate establishment...

...attacks DEAN (and that includes the DLC Skull & Bones men), the more I like him.

[AngryWhiteLiberal]

47. This is the Key...DEAN scares the crap out of the Power Elite. n/t

JB

[Pax Argent]

49. Dean has commited unforgivable sins (in corporate America)

He has spoken truth to power:

- you can't have tax cuts AND increased spending,
- something needed to be done about Iraq, but lying and alienating the world to fight an unpopular war was not only unsound, but it compromised the overall war on terror
- medical coverage for all is within our grasp if we have the will to do it
- corporate America has taken control and is now reaping the benefits in sweetheart contracts and custom-designed "regulation amendments"
- the mighty Alan Greenspan has become a political hack
- without Bush's supporting honest investigations into 9-11, conspiracy theories will continue to resound and sap confidence in honest government
- fiscal strength comes from a balanced budget

....and he comitted the cardinal sin of trying to get the people back into the process with courage and enthusiasm.

It went without saying, unfortunately, that he isn't "electable", whatever the hell that means, but this has more to do with the fact that he stands in the way of people comfortably going back to sleep than any inherent flaw. I personally think the media initially focused on him because he was interesting, but it was inevitable that they would turn on him this way. Both sides have too much invested in the status quo.

I support him and will continue to support him. He has championed those things that I feel needed to be said, but I don't hold out much hope of his being elected. One can't expect to control the establishment by attacking it.

On a lighter note, what would you guys think of Howard Dean - The Radio Show........

Yeeeeaaaarrgh!!!!!

[screembloodymurder]

50. I'm taking another look at Dean

and I like what I see. I don't want a mealy-mouthed Bush apologist. In the last debate, Lieberman refused to admit the war in Iraq was a mistake. I'll take a passionate opponent over an ass kisser any day of the week.

[Comadreja]

56. Liebermann's "Family Values"

These Rovian weasel words! He's just saying he's religious enough to be immune from fundamentalist attacks.

[flaminbats]

58. did you post that Kerry was streaking????

:wow: :wow: :wow: :wow: :wow: :wow: :wow: :wow: :wow: :wow: :wow: :wow:

[stickdog]

63. I wonder why Dean is angry!