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FourScore (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-21-08 09:40 AM Original message |
Carter Says Hamas May Accept Right of Israel to Exist (Update1) |
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mulsh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-21-08 09:44 AM Response to Original message |
1. See, that's why Carter should never be allowed to talk to Hamas. |
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rAVES (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-21-08 10:02 AM Response to Reply #1 |
3. What you actually think the US or Israel want any reasons to have to acknowlege Hamas? |
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RaleighNCDUer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-21-08 10:22 AM Response to Reply #3 |
4. Spreading democracy in the middle east only counts if they |
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Wilms (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-21-08 10:41 AM Response to Reply #4 |
7. Right. |
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Igel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-21-08 02:41 PM Response to Reply #1 |
31. Precisely. |
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JeanGrey (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-21-08 05:38 PM Response to Reply #31 |
41. ROFL. Jimmy needs to go home and stay there. Hamas |
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ohio2007 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-24-08 07:16 AM Response to Reply #41 |
79. well...isn't this the definition of INSANITY ? |
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OregonBlue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-21-08 09:47 AM Response to Original message |
2. Go to Yahoo and rate this story up!!! Link below. |
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alfredo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-21-08 10:34 AM Response to Original message |
5. This would be great. It throws a wrench in bush's phony peace accord talks. |
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KillCapitalism (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-21-08 10:41 AM Response to Original message |
6. Carter accomplished more in this one trip |
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tomtomtom (18 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-21-08 09:56 PM Response to Reply #6 |
49. I happen to like our first black |
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harun (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-22-08 07:25 AM Response to Reply #6 |
60. That is because the current administration doesn't want peace |
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Javaman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-21-08 10:46 AM Response to Original message |
8. wow, who would have thought that opening a dialog would result in this???? |
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pegleg (788 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-21-08 11:32 AM Response to Original message |
9. If this is for real, it's great news for all. Israel should not be asked to |
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pegleg (788 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-21-08 11:44 AM Response to Reply #9 |
10. It sounded too good to be true, but maybe all is not dead yet |
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Uncle Joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-21-08 11:55 AM Response to Original message |
11. Kicked and recommended. |
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Amerigo Vespucci (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-21-08 01:12 PM Response to Original message |
12. Hamas offers truce in return for 1967 borders |
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no_hypocrisy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-21-08 01:12 PM Response to Reply #12 |
13. And what happens on Day One after ten years has passed? |
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Warpy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-21-08 01:12 PM Response to Reply #13 |
16. Neither side trusts the other, and it's no wonder. |
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RaleighNCDUer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-21-08 01:12 PM Response to Reply #13 |
17. This isn't the Civilization game - the end of a truce does not mean |
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ohio2007 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-24-08 07:12 AM Response to Reply #17 |
78. another 37th parallel in the making is what you are suggesting |
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Nicholas D Wolfwood (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-21-08 01:12 PM Response to Reply #13 |
18. You have to crawl before you can walk. |
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Ian David (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-21-08 01:12 PM Response to Reply #13 |
21. If we build at least one Club Med in Palestine during that 10 years, the truce will become permanent |
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JerseygirlCT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-22-08 07:20 AM Response to Reply #13 |
58. Exactly. |
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ohio2007 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-24-08 07:10 AM Response to Reply #13 |
77. Hamas couldn't sit idle for ten years. They will wipe the name of Israel off the map well before the |
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Crunchy Frog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-21-08 01:12 PM Response to Reply #12 |
14. Really, I would hope that if Israel were to withdraw to its 1967 borders, |
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JerseygirlCT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-22-08 07:23 AM Response to Reply #14 |
59. The problem for Israel, is who is going to enforce that peace? |
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MercutioATC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-21-08 01:12 PM Response to Reply #12 |
15. That's a major concession by Hamas standards... |
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Roland99 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-21-08 01:12 PM Response to Reply #15 |
19. It's a deal that makes sense to me. |
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JoDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-21-08 01:12 PM Response to Reply #19 |
23. The offer only covers Hamas |
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darue (383 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-21-08 03:55 PM Response to Reply #23 |
34. the rank and file will get to vote n/t |
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JeanGrey (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-21-08 05:44 PM Response to Reply #19 |
42. Much has changed militarily? Like what? Israel could wipe |
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Roland99 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-21-08 10:30 PM Response to Reply #42 |
51. You just answered your own question. |
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JeanGrey (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-22-08 07:11 AM Response to Reply #51 |
54. Maybe I misconstrued your answer. Hamas is not to be trusted. |
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Roland99 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-22-08 12:03 PM Response to Reply #54 |
62. But how can peace be achieved without the first steps toward it? |
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JeanGrey (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-22-08 05:47 PM Response to Reply #62 |
71. No - but you cannot expect Israel to give up everything and |
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annabanana (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-22-08 05:54 PM Response to Reply #71 |
72. everything? what's "everything"?. . . n/t |
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JeanGrey (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-22-08 09:24 PM Response to Reply #72 |
73. Oh maybe the right to exist for starters? |
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Roland99 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-23-08 05:11 PM Response to Reply #71 |
75. Um, give up everything? No, just the lands they occupy illegally. |
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JeanGrey (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-23-08 08:08 PM Response to Reply #75 |
76. What illegal lands would that be? The ones Israel won when they |
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Torn_Scorned_Ignored (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-21-08 01:12 PM Response to Reply #12 |
20. Jimmy Carter |
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Ian David (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-21-08 01:12 PM Response to Reply #20 |
22. And when Bush touched it, his eyeballs started to bleed and his hands caught fire. n/t |
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Hugabear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-21-08 01:12 PM Response to Reply #12 |
24. LOL - Israel give up the land they STOLE in 1967? |
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Indenturedebtor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-21-08 01:45 PM Response to Reply #24 |
30. Stole? |
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darue (383 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-21-08 03:58 PM Response to Reply #30 |
35. so you think Israel occupied Egyptian or Jordanian land? |
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Zynx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-21-08 04:03 PM Response to Reply #24 |
37. Israel was attacked in a war of extermination. They took land to give |
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Hugabear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-21-08 04:25 PM Response to Reply #37 |
39. "they took land" |
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darue (383 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-21-08 06:04 PM Response to Reply #37 |
44. NO - they weren't attacked they preemptively attacked Egypt because they assumed |
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JerseygirlCT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-22-08 07:28 AM Response to Reply #24 |
61. Just like, say, every other major country in the history of the world? |
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Ian David (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-21-08 01:12 PM Response to Reply #12 |
25. The Green Line |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-21-08 04:02 PM Response to Reply #25 |
36. Deleted sub-thread |
hack89 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-21-08 01:12 PM Response to Reply #12 |
26. I wonder how the right of return fits into all of this |
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JerseygirlCT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-21-08 03:24 PM Response to Reply #26 |
32. Me too. nt |
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SlingBlade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-21-08 01:12 PM Response to Reply #12 |
27. Sounds reasonable to me, Why Not ? |
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acetylyne (23 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-21-08 01:21 PM Response to Reply #12 |
29. Exactly why the US and Israel didn't want him to go |
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JeanGrey (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-22-08 07:16 AM Response to Reply #29 |
55. They aren't willing to "put down their guns". They never will be. |
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Indydem (866 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-21-08 01:18 PM Response to Original message |
28. How GENEROUS of them! n/t |
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Dreamer Tatum (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-21-08 03:31 PM Response to Reply #28 |
33. What an amazing beau geste |
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ohio2007 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-21-08 04:04 PM Response to Reply #33 |
38. They offer a ten years "cease fire"....then what happens when the time is up? |
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Solon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-21-08 04:53 PM Response to Reply #38 |
40. Ten years is a pretty good chunk of time for changes to be made... |
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ohio2007 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-24-08 09:51 AM Response to Reply #40 |
81. 1967,1977,1987,1997,2007--> only need to observe what happens in six months |
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PanchoBass (24 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-21-08 06:00 PM Response to Original message |
43. Dialogue doesn't hurt |
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darue (383 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-21-08 06:08 PM Response to Original message |
45. Carter calls Gaza blockade a crime and atrocity - Palestinians in Gaza being "starved to death" |
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darue (383 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-21-08 06:11 PM Response to Original message |
46. Israel's war on orphans |
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Bonobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-21-08 08:16 PM Response to Original message |
47. How dare he try to make peace!! |
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burrowowl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-21-08 09:51 PM Response to Reply #47 |
48. How dare Obama say |
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Canuckistanian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-21-08 10:03 PM Response to Original message |
50. Is it really that simple? |
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Psephos (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-21-08 11:06 PM Response to Original message |
52. Did Carter even make it up the airplane steps before Hamas reneged? |
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rayofreason (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-21-08 11:51 PM Response to Reply #52 |
53. The credulity on this thread... |
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JeanGrey (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-22-08 07:17 AM Response to Reply #52 |
56. He is just getting old and should really stay out of stuff like this. |
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classysassy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-22-08 12:29 PM Response to Reply #56 |
64. Pro justice |
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Tommy_Carcetti (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-22-08 02:56 PM Response to Reply #56 |
67. "Anti-jew" |
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JeanGrey (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-22-08 05:47 PM Response to Reply #67 |
70. Yeah extremes are silly, which is why he should stick to building |
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PaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-24-08 07:22 AM Response to Reply #70 |
80. you know much about the situation in Israel/Palestine? |
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JerseygirlCT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-22-08 07:20 AM Response to Reply #52 |
57. That's the problem of course |
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fascisthunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-22-08 12:20 PM Response to Original message |
63. Carter... You are a True Diplomat and a Noble Man |
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ItNerd4life (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-22-08 12:33 PM Response to Reply #63 |
65. And that's why Hamas continues to fire rockets |
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fascisthunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-22-08 02:18 PM Response to Reply #65 |
66. if you believe that you are lost |
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pegleg (788 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-22-08 03:32 PM Response to Reply #66 |
69. People who think others should be ignored - should be ignored nt |
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darue (383 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-22-08 09:47 PM Response to Reply #66 |
74. civil society in a solverign Palestinian State will finish off Hamas if they don't disarm |
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ItNerd4life (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-24-08 12:30 PM Response to Reply #66 |
82. What is peace to people who don't want you to exist? |
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tidy_bowl (249 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-22-08 03:23 PM Response to Original message |
68. You would have to be insane to believe Hamas. nt |
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