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RamboLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Tue Apr-15-08 11:47 PM
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McCain reveals confusion over Petraeus role
Edited on Wed Apr-16-08 12:05 AM by RamboLiberal
Source: Army Times

Republican presidential candidate Sen. John McCain of Arizona may not have been paying the closest of attention last week during hearings on the Bush administration’s Iraq policy.

Speaking Monday at the annual meeting of the Associated Press, McCain was asked whether he, if elected, would shift combat troops from Iraq to Afghanistan to intensify the search for al-Qaida leader Osama bin Laden.

“I would not do that unless Gen. Petraeus said that he felt that the situation called for that,” McCain said, referring to the top U.S. commander in Iraq.

Petraeus, however, made clear last week that he has nothing to do with the decision. Testifying last week before four congressional committees, including the Senate Armed Services Committee on which McCain is the ranking Republican, Petraeus said the decision about whether troops could be shifted from Iraq to Afghanistan was not his responsibility because his portfolio is limited to the multi-national force in Iraq.

Decisions about Afghanistan would be made by others, he said.



Read more: http://www.armytimes.com/news/2008/04/military_mccain_p...



Sometimes links from Army Times are funky. Try this if not working. http://www.armytimes.com /

Amazing, our military/foreign policy blunder by McCain. He's more like Sgt Schultz in Hogan's Heroes.
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   Looks like McLame wants to hide behind Petreus, JUST LIKE BUSH!  grytpype   Apr-15-08 11:49 PM   #1 
   Cowards of a similar color  Supersedeas   Apr-16-08 11:46 AM   #21 
   Good catch - can someone tell me who is the higher up in the military  JoeIsOneOfUs   Apr-15-08 11:51 PM   #2 
   I believe it WAS Admiral Fallon, head of CENTCOM  JaneQPublic   Apr-15-08 11:58 PM   #6 
   It's an empty slot that's not been filled  KSinTX   Apr-16-08 12:21 AM   #9 
   He also didn't want to attach Iran.  MidwestTransplant   Apr-16-08 01:37 AM   #13 
   The problem is about what the purpose of the military is and how that's defined. The military is an  Nickster   Apr-16-08 10:05 AM   #20 
      I realize he's not the policy-maker, I'm just wondering who McCain should have named instead  JoeIsOneOfUs   Apr-16-08 04:31 PM   #25 
   Another senior moment?  mcctatas   Apr-15-08 11:51 PM   #3 
   Senile on top of being a Bush  ShockediSay   Apr-16-08 12:03 AM   #7 
      You said it  saigon68   Apr-16-08 09:58 AM   #17 
   I thought McCain said he would go to gates of hell to find Osama Bin Laden?  bambino   Apr-15-08 11:53 PM   #4 
   OMG  againes654   Apr-15-08 11:53 PM   #5 
   Where was Prompter-in-Chief Lieberman when McCain said that?  Zambero   Apr-16-08 12:11 AM   #8 
   No Joementum is still around crafting his best Zell Miller Impression  saigon68   Apr-16-08 09:59 AM   #18 
   We're stuck in Iraq because of this very confusion  KSinTX   Apr-16-08 12:26 AM   #10 
   I am thinking this is one way Obama is going to DESTROY McCain. Listen...  Bonobo   Apr-16-08 12:41 AM   #11 
   Aw, stop pickin on the old guy. He means well. It's not his fault he can't remember all this stuff  struggle4progress   Apr-16-08 12:43 AM   #12 
   Wow... why isn't THIS cycling nonstop on the Cable networks...  heliarc   Apr-16-08 03:39 AM   #14 
   Maybe we can help it along....like talk about this a lot,  FrenchieCat   Apr-16-08 03:42 AM   #15 
   Maybe he was having trouble staying awake again  DeeDeeNY   Apr-16-08 07:11 AM   #16 
   Duh......  fascisthunter   Apr-16-08 10:01 AM   #19 
   first we have francis the talking mule*, now we have the absentminded professor. nt  Javaman   Apr-16-08 11:48 AM   #22 
   McSame is behaving like he doesn't need to be on the ball.  Life Long Dem   Apr-16-08 01:39 PM   #23 
   There's no confusion there. McCain's simply expressing desire to have input from his general.  Infinite Hope   Apr-16-08 01:45 PM   #24 
 
grytpype (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Tue Apr-15-08 11:49 PM
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1. Looks like McLame wants to hide behind Petreus, JUST LIKE BUSH!
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Supersedeas (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Apr-16-08 11:46 AM
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21. Cowards of a similar color
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Muttocracy Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Tue Apr-15-08 11:51 PM
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2. Good catch - can someone tell me who is the higher up in the military
(I think your link wants the final / mark.)

I'm pretty ignorant of who the upper commanders are between Petraeus and the top - is there a link somewhere explaining that?
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JaneQPublic Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Tue Apr-15-08 11:58 PM
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6. I believe it WAS Admiral Fallon, head of CENTCOM
...but then, Fallon was retired, reportedly because he was pushing for more troops in Afghanistan.

I don't know who's taken Fallon's place, but no doubt he won't be taking the same stand.
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KSinTX (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Apr-16-08 12:21 AM
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9. It's an empty slot that's not been filled
Fallon had some interesting comments to make about Petraeus that I noted here:

http://mksinsa.blogspot.com/2008/04/senate-hearings-rig...
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MidwestTransplant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Apr-16-08 01:37 AM
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13. He also didn't want to attach Iran.
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Nickster Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Apr-16-08 10:05 AM
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20. The problem is about what the purpose of the military is and how that's defined. The military is an
extension of the political will of the US Government. So it's irrelevant who is higher up on the military chain. Gen'l Petraeus doesn't make foreign policy, he simply carries it out. If Grampa McCain wants to go to war and he gets Congress to declare the war, then they go to war. Grampa McCain would need to ask the military advisors about what the best course of action to execute his plans would be, since they are the experts in the area of execution, but they don't come to him and say, hey Prez Baby, we need to Bomb, Bomb,Bomb Iran....

McCain's answer was cowardly.
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Muttocracy Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Apr-16-08 04:31 PM
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25. I realize he's not the policy-maker, I'm just wondering who McCain should have named instead
I'm not sure if there's a commander for Iraq + south Asia, or Middle East overall, or the whole world or what.
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mcctatas Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Tue Apr-15-08 11:51 PM
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3. Another senior moment?
or is he just like bush...only dumber?
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ShockediSay (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Apr-16-08 12:03 AM
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7. Senile on top of being a Bush
kisser
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saigon68 Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Apr-16-08 09:58 AM
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17. You said it
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4. I thought McCain said he would go to gates of hell to find Osama Bin Laden?
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againes654 (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Tue Apr-15-08 11:53 PM
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5. OMG
That is funny in a sad sort of way!
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Zambero (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Apr-16-08 12:11 AM
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8. Where was Prompter-in-Chief Lieberman when McCain said that?
Looks like Joe's been slacking off a bit.
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saigon68 Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Apr-16-08 09:59 AM
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18. No Joementum is still around crafting his best Zell Miller Impression
To give the keynote address at the Repuke, McLame Coronation
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KSinTX (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Apr-16-08 12:26 AM
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10. We're stuck in Iraq because of this very confusion
Crocker is the man who has the answers to getting this thing resolved, not Petraeus. A "diplomatic surge" would be a vast overstatement. A little diplomacy, however, would be a huge improvement.
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Bonobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Apr-16-08 12:41 AM
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11. I am thinking this is one way Obama is going to DESTROY McCain. Listen...
Obama has been talking quite straightly about how Bush has been using Petraeus as an excuse to hide behind. ("I listen to my commanders on the ground.")

But all along, Obama has been drawing a clear division between "Strategic" and "Tactical" issues. In other words, a "Strategy" would be the decision of which country to put troops in, whereas a "Tactical" issue would be one which described HOW the troops were placed in the country.

So...for McCain to say that he would leave the decision of whether or not to move troops from Iraq to Afghanistan up to Ge. Petraeus is the HEIGHT OF IRRESPONSIBILITY BECAUSE THAT IS THE COMMANDER IN CHIEF'S RESPONSIBILITY AND HIS DECISION.

I think Obama is ready to stick a fork in that cowardly Bomber-pilot's high-flying ass.
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12. Aw, stop pickin on the old guy. He means well. It's not his fault he can't remember all this stuff
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heliarc (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Apr-16-08 03:39 AM
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14. Wow... why isn't THIS cycling nonstop on the Cable networks...
Oh I forgot... His press junket is the chosen one...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xp0iHOk0mEQ
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15. Maybe we can help it along....like talk about this a lot, Updated at 10:27 AM
I'm gonna Kick and Recommend.

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16. Maybe he was having trouble staying awake again
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19. Duh......
Somebody give McCain a couch.
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22. first we have francis the talking mule*, now we have the absentminded professor. nt
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23. McSame is behaving like he doesn't need to be on the ball.
Like someone who doesn't take the responsibility of Presidency as being important - toward the Iraq war. I'd like to know who is?
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24. There's no confusion there. McCain's simply expressing desire to have input from his general.
That's not a gaffe. Nor is there reason to jump on the "gaffe" bandwagon simply because he from the opposing party. We've seen too much of that in recent years. Let's have a dose of reality.
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