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DuaneBidoux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Tue Apr-15-08 11:06 PM
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Iraqi unit flees post, despite American's plea
Source: International Herald Tribune

BAGHDAD: A company of Iraqi soldiers abandoned their positions on Tuesday night in Sadr City, defying American soldiers who implored them to hold the line against Shiite militias.

The retreat left a crucial stretch of road on the front lines undefended for hours and led to a tense series of exchanges between American soldiers and about 50 Iraqi troops who were fleeing.

Captain Logan Veath, a company commander in the 25th Infantry Division, pleaded with the Iraqi major who was leading his troops away from the Sadr City fight, urging him to return to the front...



Read more: http://www.iht.com/articles/2008/04/16/africa/16sadr.ph...



Glad we're making progress.
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   How difficult a position to be in. Kill your friends and relatives for the  PetraPooh   Apr-15-08 11:09 PM   #1 
   What "front"?  pfitz59   Apr-15-08 11:17 PM   #2 
   Viet Nam.  cliss   Apr-15-08 11:31 PM   #3 
   It's not Vietnam: it's  struggle4progress   Apr-16-08 12:51 AM   #7 
      Iraq-Nam  saigon68   Apr-16-08 07:26 AM   #32 
         Tell it, brother!  Voltaire99   Apr-16-08 08:38 AM   #35 
            Never left just lurking for a while  saigon68   Apr-16-08 10:21 PM   #37 
   Enough is enough!  grytpype   Apr-15-08 11:51 PM   #4 
   "WE'RE NOT SEEING ANY PROGRESS!!!"  grytpype   Apr-15-08 11:53 PM   #5 
   They weren't fleeing  awoke_in_2003   Apr-16-08 12:02 AM   #6 
   Yup- that corner that victeree's jest around nt  NBachers   Apr-16-08 02:22 AM   #14 
   The good captain must've run out of money to bribe them. n/t  tuckessee   Apr-16-08 01:03 AM   #8 
   Bribes keep 'em in the Iraqi Army... it just ain't enough to make them actually stay and fight  KeepItReal   Apr-16-08 01:22 AM   #9 
   Deleted message  Name removed   Apr-16-08 01:32 AM   #10 
   Your post is disgusting  UndertheOcean   Apr-16-08 02:17 AM   #11 
   I don't think so.  Breeze54   Apr-16-08 02:26 AM   #21 
      They probably got scared  UndertheOcean   Apr-16-08 02:31 AM   #24 
         Or they were expecting something to happen once they got there and  Breeze54   Apr-16-08 02:34 AM   #25 
   Enjoy your short stay, I am pretty sure you will be eating granite rather soon  KitchenWitch   Apr-16-08 02:20 AM   #12 
   enjoy your (short) stay here. Your post is baiting and disgusting.  auntAgonist   Apr-16-08 02:20 AM   #13 
   You are a DRAMATIC one, aren't ya?  Jamastiene   Apr-16-08 02:22 AM   #15 
   LOL  Hissyspit   Apr-16-08 02:24 AM   #20 
      ...  Jamastiene   Apr-16-08 02:29 AM   #22 
         It's cold!  Hissyspit   Apr-16-08 02:34 AM   #26 
   Or you could sign up to take their place.  Hissyspit   Apr-16-08 02:24 AM   #16 
   Hey RichKay, what's going on? Why all the yelling and anger?  Breeze54   Apr-16-08 02:24 AM   #17 
   Um, your Caps Lock is on.  tofunut   Apr-16-08 02:24 AM   #18 
   Self-portrait as an avatar, I see...  krispos42DU Moderator   Apr-16-08 02:24 AM   #19 
   IBTS  CreekDog   Apr-16-08 02:30 AM   #23 
   A troll speaketh!  SeattleGirl   Apr-16-08 02:35 AM   #27 
   IBTTS  puerco-bellies   Apr-16-08 02:37 AM   #28 
   You need help.  Fox Mulder   Apr-16-08 02:39 AM   #29 
   Remind me never to join any military unit in which you give orders.  JVS   Apr-16-08 06:02 AM   #30 
   When they are afraid of being killed..  arundhatiroyfan   Apr-16-08 06:22 AM   #31 
   K and R  Stuart G   Apr-16-08 07:28 AM   #33 
   It's time to pack up and come home.  Vinca   Apr-16-08 07:35 AM   #34 
   K & R!  Sentinel Chicken   Apr-16-08 02:45 PM   #36 
   come on iraqis, help us kill other iraqis doesn't seem to be working out  T Monk   Apr-16-08 10:24 PM   #38 
 
PetraPooh (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Tue Apr-15-08 11:09 PM
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1. How difficult a position to be in. Kill your friends and relatives for the
sake of "American" success or we're going to shoot at you. Disgusting.
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pfitz59 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Tue Apr-15-08 11:17 PM
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2. What "front"?
This is a Civil War, there is no "front"? US Troops are surrounded by hostiles. Would be a joke if folks weren't dying!
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cliss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Tue Apr-15-08 11:31 PM
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3. Viet Nam.
It's Viet Nam, all over again.
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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Apr-16-08 12:51 AM
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7. It's not Vietnam: it's
New and Improved Vietnam -- and we've added so more more of our secret ingredient that we had to design a special new box to hold it
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saigon68 (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Apr-16-08 07:26 AM
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32. Iraq-Nam
A place that takes no time out for Peace

A place where walking over a dead body in the street is a daily nuisance
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Voltaire99 (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Apr-16-08 08:38 AM
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35. Tell it, brother!
Good to see you are still around, Saigon68!
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saigon68 (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Apr-16-08 10:21 PM
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37. Never left just lurking for a while
Getting recharged.

The evil election and all kinds of outrage are just a bit over the horizon.

The old guard will be back this summer when the shit really hits the fan.
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grytpype (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Tue Apr-15-08 11:51 PM
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4. Enough is enough!
Turn Iraq over to whoever controls the territory right now, and leave!
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grytpype (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Tue Apr-15-08 11:53 PM
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5. "WE'RE NOT SEEING ANY PROGRESS!!!"
Edited on Tue Apr-15-08 11:55 PM by grytpype
"It bugs the hell out of me," said Sergeant George Lewis, Veath's platoon sergeant in Company B, Third Platoon, First Battalion, 14th Infantry Regiment. "We don't see any progress being made at all. We hear these guys in firefights. We know if we are not up there helping these guys out we are making very little progress."

...

One big problem is that the Iraqi troops have responded to militia gunfire with such intense fusillades that the soldiers have endangered civilians, American soldiers and even their own forces. The barrage of Iraqi Army fire has become such a regular occurrence that some American soldiers are worried that militia fighters have tried to insert themselves between nearby Iraqi units to induce the Iraqi soldiers to fire on one another.
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awoke_in_2003 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Apr-16-08 12:02 AM
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6. They weren't fleeing
they were just trying to turn another corner :)
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NBachers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Donate to DU! Wed Apr-16-08 02:22 AM
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14. Yup- that corner that victeree's jest around nt
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tuckessee (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Apr-16-08 01:03 AM
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8. The good captain must've run out of money to bribe them. n/t
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KeepItReal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Apr-16-08 01:22 AM
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9. Bribes keep 'em in the Iraqi Army... it just ain't enough to make them actually stay and fight
Probably hear them running away saying, "They don't pay me enough for this sh*t"
:sarcasm:



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Name removed (0 posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Apr-16-08 01:32 AM
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Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.
 
UndertheOcean Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Apr-16-08 02:17 AM
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11. Your post is disgusting
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Breeze54 (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Apr-16-08 02:26 AM
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21. I don't think so.
They ran away and left the other soldiers there alone.

Was it a set up?
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UndertheOcean Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Apr-16-08 02:31 AM
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24. They probably got scared
If it was a setup they could have turned their guns on the American Troops
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Breeze54 (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Apr-16-08 02:34 AM
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25. Or they were expecting something to happen once they got there and
were told to scram as soon as they did. ? :shrug: We don't know.
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KitchenWitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Apr-16-08 02:20 AM
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12. Enjoy your short stay, I am pretty sure you will be eating granite rather soon
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auntAgonist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Apr-16-08 02:20 AM
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13. enjoy your (short) stay here. Your post is baiting and disgusting.
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Jamastiene Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Donate to DU! Wed Apr-16-08 02:22 AM
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15. You are a DRAMATIC one, aren't ya?
Huh. I didn't know y'all came in different flavors. I mean, the aroma is always the same; old under-the-bridge smell.



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20. LOLUpdated at 2:07 PM
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Jamastiene Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Donate to DU! Wed Apr-16-08 02:29 AM
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22. ...
Edited on Wed Apr-16-08 02:29 AM by Jamastiene
:evilgrin:

:hi:

How is my fellow cat lover this evening?
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26. It's cold!Updated at 2:07 PM
:hi:
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16. Or you could sign up to take their place.Updated at 2:07 PM
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Breeze54 (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Apr-16-08 02:24 AM
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17. Hey RichKay, what's going on? Why all the yelling and anger?
:shrug:
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18. Um, your Caps Lock is on.
And enjoy your stay.

BTW, referring to people as "bitches" isn't welcome here.

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krispos42 DU Moderator Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Apr-16-08 02:24 AM
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19. Self-portrait as an avatar, I see...
Edited on Wed Apr-16-08 02:26 AM by krispos42
Ever tried a silicon dioxide and aluminium oxide biscuit? You're probably about to.

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CreekDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Apr-16-08 02:30 AM
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23. IBTS
:rofl:
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27. A troll speaketh!
Now taketh thyself away!!





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puerco-bellies (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Apr-16-08 02:37 AM
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28. IBTTS
Edited on Wed Apr-16-08 02:41 AM by puerco-bellies
Cowardly bitches post from a safe place, screaming for somebody else's blood.
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Fox Mulder (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Apr-16-08 02:39 AM
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29. You need help.
Seriously.
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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Apr-16-08 06:02 AM
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30. Remind me never to join any military unit in which you give orders.
Edited on Wed Apr-16-08 06:03 AM by JVS
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arundhatiroyfan (151 posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Apr-16-08 06:22 AM
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31. When they are afraid of being killed..
retreating is a normal human reaction.
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Stuart G Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Apr-16-08 07:28 AM
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33. K and R
So this is what our training and blood end up doing?
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34. It's time to pack up and come home.
While I think the Pottery Barn rule applies, there comes a time when we're being used. Iraqis are making mountains of money off oil and not spending it. If Americans are going to foot the bill, why should they? After 5 years of training Iraqis to defend themselves, they take off and leave the Americans at risk. Pack it up.
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36. K & R!
These assholes are just in the army to collect a paycheck. They aren't going to fight for Bush's puppets. It's way past time we got out of that shit hole and quit flushing our money away.
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T Monk (271 posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Apr-16-08 10:24 PM
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38. come on iraqis, help us kill other iraqis doesn't seem to be working out
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