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Wednesdays (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-25-08 09:41 AM Original message |
Supreme Court Allows Retiree Benefit Cuts |
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DemReadingDU (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-25-08 09:49 AM Response to Original message |
1. Thank you for this thread |
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Wednesdays (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-25-08 09:54 AM Response to Reply #1 |
2. Thanks for the find |
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area51 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-25-08 09:57 AM Response to Original message |
3. "multinational corporations" |
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dixiegrrrrl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-25-08 10:03 AM Response to Original message |
4. Expect to hear much more of this |
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NBachers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-25-08 10:15 AM Response to Reply #4 |
6. Sounds like Colonization |
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RUMMYisFROSTED (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-25-08 01:00 PM Response to Reply #6 |
47. Colonization. |
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mainegreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-25-08 10:27 AM Response to Reply #4 |
10. That's completely not true. n/t |
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davekriss (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-25-08 11:13 AM Response to Reply #4 |
20. The plant in Mobile Alabama... |
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dixiegrrrrl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-25-08 03:36 PM Response to Reply #20 |
88. Yeah, that is why folks here are suing |
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OwnedByFerrets (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-25-08 11:31 AM Response to Reply #4 |
23. Just a shout out to a |
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YvonneCa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-25-08 12:01 PM Response to Reply #4 |
36. I do... |
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kimmylavin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-25-08 10:13 AM Response to Original message |
5. Jesus. |
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DCKit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-25-08 10:16 AM Response to Original message |
7. Who is AARP? It's not retired people, it's insurance and healthcare corporations. |
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MaineDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-25-08 05:16 PM Response to Reply #7 |
97. In this case, I'm totally behind AARP |
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DCKit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-27-08 05:26 AM Response to Reply #97 |
113. I totally agree. But there's an agenda everywhere you look. |
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Ganja Ninja (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-25-08 10:19 AM Response to Original message |
8. $30 billion for Bear Stearns and screw the elderly. |
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mulsh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-25-08 10:21 AM Response to Original message |
9. MIL's retirement health care was elimiated last year. |
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L0oniX (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-25-08 10:31 AM Response to Original message |
11. Sounds like they want people over 65 to die quickly. Couldn't they just put them on LSD? |
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Babel_17 (948 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-25-08 10:41 AM Response to Reply #11 |
16. Sounds like "Wild in the Streets" |
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12string (443 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-25-08 11:04 AM Response to Reply #11 |
18. put them on LSD |
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DemoTex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-25-08 11:38 AM Response to Reply #11 |
27. Youth-in-Asia. |
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Javaman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-25-08 10:36 AM Response to Original message |
12. welcome to the new age of job slavery... |
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lebkuchen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-25-08 03:59 PM Response to Reply #12 |
93. Cheney would say that Bush carries the greater burden |
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AnneD (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-25-08 10:36 AM Response to Original message |
13. I agree with them cutting health benefits for retirees.... |
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Delphinus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-25-08 11:40 AM Response to Reply #13 |
29. YES! |
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windbreeze (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-25-08 11:48 AM Response to Reply #13 |
33. I couldn't agree more.... |
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Lugnut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-25-08 12:03 PM Response to Reply #13 |
38. That would suit me just fine. |
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Debi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-25-08 12:42 PM Response to Reply #13 |
41. What health care benefits do retired members of Congress receive? |
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magellan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-25-08 01:39 PM Response to Reply #41 |
57. Here's some info I just found on that |
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Debi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-25-08 01:56 PM Response to Reply #57 |
68. That explains their pensions |
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AnneD (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-25-08 02:50 PM Response to Reply #68 |
74. Here's a few... |
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Debi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-25-08 03:09 PM Response to Reply #74 |
83. I've been through them all |
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AnneD (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-25-08 03:34 PM Response to Reply #83 |
87. I believe they are covered here... |
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Debi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-25-08 04:01 PM Response to Reply #87 |
94. delete - |
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magellan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-25-08 05:52 PM Response to Reply #87 |
105. That's the same link I found |
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LanternWaste (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-25-08 05:38 PM Response to Reply #74 |
101. Nice work if you can get it... |
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magellan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-25-08 05:49 PM Response to Reply #68 |
104. It also explains their health care benefits |
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AnneD (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-25-08 12:43 PM Response to Reply #13 |
42. You screw with people enough.... |
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dysfunctional press (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-25-08 12:47 PM Response to Reply #13 |
44. and of course the people who would make that decision are congressmen... |
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SammyWinstonJack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-26-08 08:54 AM Response to Reply #13 |
112. !!! |
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Broadslidin (949 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-25-08 10:37 AM Response to Original message |
14. Tis simply, shoveling the old 'drool cups' over to medicare for Rubber Stamping...! |
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cadaverdog (111 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-25-08 10:39 AM Response to Original message |
15. From the same people who gave us the Bush presidency |
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rateyes (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-25-08 10:44 AM Response to Original message |
17. OK Dems in Congress.... |
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antigop (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-25-08 11:39 AM Response to Reply #17 |
28. FYI -- HR 1322 would provide ERISA protection for retiree health benefits |
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dmosh42 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-25-08 01:41 PM Response to Reply #28 |
61. That bill has been sitting in committee since May with no vote... |
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antigop (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-25-08 03:08 PM Response to Reply #61 |
81. actually Tierney introduced it several years ago. It has gotten co-sponsors but |
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fascisthunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-25-08 11:10 AM Response to Original message |
19. Case in Point of Right Wingers Screwing Average Americans |
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izquierdista (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-25-08 11:18 AM Response to Original message |
21. Correction |
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rudy23 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-25-08 11:46 AM Response to Reply #21 |
32. Very well said. |
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xxqqqzme (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-25-08 01:40 PM Response to Reply #21 |
60. So true. |
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KarenS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-25-08 09:29 PM Response to Reply #21 |
108. yes, yes, indeed,,,,, |
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darue (383 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-25-08 11:27 AM Response to Original message |
22. these employers should never have agreed to pay helthcare costs for retirees |
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YvonneCa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-25-08 11:59 AM Response to Reply #22 |
34. But they did... |
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darue (383 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-25-08 12:56 PM Response to Reply #34 |
46. promise or was there a contract? funny how these corporate types like voiding SOME contracts |
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EarlG ADMIN (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-25-08 11:32 AM Response to Original message |
24. Sounds like the perfect explanation of why trickle-down economics is utter BS |
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Lasher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-25-08 12:04 PM Response to Reply #24 |
39. The examples are legion |
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liam_laddie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-25-08 12:44 PM Response to Reply #39 |
43. Ray-gun economics |
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Chovexani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-25-08 01:24 PM Response to Reply #24 |
52. Trickle down really means |
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Vinca (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-25-08 11:35 AM Response to Original message |
25. How is that fair if you have a younger employee getting $10,000 |
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antigop (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-25-08 11:40 AM Response to Reply #25 |
30. um, yep. They are. But the "thinking" is.. "we HAVE to do this to remain competitive" |
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Vinca (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-25-08 12:01 PM Response to Reply #30 |
35. I wonder if any older person has tried suing using the notion that |
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antigop (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-25-08 01:01 PM Response to Reply #35 |
48. but the 'older person' is retired -- he/she isn't employed. |
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Vinca (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-25-08 02:28 PM Response to Reply #48 |
72. I must have misread it. I thought it was people still working past |
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Nickster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-25-08 12:03 PM Response to Reply #30 |
37. and then the government sinks medicare, then all those "slackers" are left to fend for themselves. |
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antigop (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-25-08 12:55 PM Response to Reply #37 |
45. yes, I think that is the plan. The government will "sink Medicare" because of the |
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windbreeze (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-25-08 11:37 AM Response to Original message |
26. They are already doing this... |
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fmlymninral (42 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-25-08 01:45 PM Response to Reply #26 |
63. retirement and health care costs |
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antigop (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-25-08 11:44 AM Response to Original message |
31. "Supreme Court, Inc." |
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Supersedeas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-25-08 12:24 PM Response to Original message |
40. the Roberts court is making its mark |
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madrchsod (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-25-08 01:48 PM Response to Reply #40 |
65. the most dangerous man in america |
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Ikonoklast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-25-08 01:10 PM Response to Original message |
49. It is now your duty as an American to die before costing too much |
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specimenfred1984 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-25-08 01:11 PM Response to Original message |
50. It's much more important to smear someone, Let's Move On |
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Dr Fate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-25-08 01:13 PM Response to Original message |
51. Remember the DLC/DEM coward (non)-battle cry: "Keep your powder dry...for the next fight!" |
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tom_paine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-25-08 01:26 PM Response to Original message |
53. Of course it did. It's neither supreme nor a court anymore, though. |
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LSK (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-25-08 01:28 PM Response to Original message |
54. "competing with multinational corporations that don't have quite the obligations that domestic firms |
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aggiesal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-25-08 01:29 PM Response to Original message |
55. Didn't AARP endorse GW? |
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rinsd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-25-08 01:33 PM Response to Original message |
56. Time for single payer. |
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lovuian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-25-08 01:39 PM Response to Original message |
58. Another reason why we need Universal Healthcare |
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windbreeze (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-25-08 03:09 PM Response to Reply #58 |
82. I guarantee you |
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totodeinhere (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-25-08 01:40 PM Response to Original message |
59. Need we say more about why the Dems need to win in November? |
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madrchsod (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-25-08 01:44 PM Response to Original message |
62. HUGE talking point for every democrat running |
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Trillo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-25-08 01:46 PM Response to Original message |
64. Isn't this the same as Lying? |
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aggiesal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-25-08 01:51 PM Response to Reply #64 |
67. I thought it was, ,... |
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antigop (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-25-08 03:01 PM Response to Reply #64 |
77. doesn't matter what was "promised" -- what matters is what is "legal" n/t |
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katty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-25-08 01:50 PM Response to Original message |
66. more of this to come |
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Bonhomme Richard (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-25-08 01:58 PM Response to Original message |
69. I think this says it all. |
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lonestarnot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-25-08 03:01 PM Response to Reply #69 |
78. Zactly! |
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Prophet 451 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-25-08 01:59 PM Response to Original message |
70. *sigh* Figures |
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Omaha Steve (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-25-08 02:26 PM Response to Original message |
71. Chisholm lawsuit addresses health insurance guarantee (contractual obligations in union contract) |
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antigop (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-25-08 03:02 PM Response to Reply #71 |
79. that's why on the stockmarket thread, I mentioned employees need a contract n/t |
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DURHAM D (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-25-08 02:30 PM Response to Original message |
73. OK - I am lost here after reading all of the comments. |
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antigop (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-25-08 03:05 PM Response to Reply #73 |
80. in your example, the company doesn't have to pay the $93 per month or the supplemental |
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DURHAM D (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-25-08 03:14 PM Response to Reply #80 |
84. True - they are not obligated but they keep paying. |
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antigop (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-25-08 03:15 PM Response to Reply #84 |
85. I disagree-- companies don't want to pay for their retirees AT ALL |
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DURHAM D (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-25-08 03:23 PM Response to Reply #85 |
86. That is not what I got from this decision. |
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antigop (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-25-08 03:52 PM Response to Reply #86 |
89. yes, that's the point --- I think it will get "uglier and uglier". |
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DURHAM D (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-25-08 03:55 PM Response to Reply #89 |
91. They have univeral health care (medicare) - what is your point? |
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antigop (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-25-08 03:56 PM Response to Reply #91 |
92. Just what you said in your example -- some companies still pay for Medicare and supplemental |
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DURHAM D (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-25-08 04:46 PM Response to Reply #92 |
96. Well thank god you finally clarified the under 65 part. |
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MaineDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-25-08 05:19 PM Response to Reply #91 |
98. No that's not true |
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antigop (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-25-08 06:58 PM Response to Reply #98 |
107. I would check with your union to see what is in the contract. |
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windbreeze (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-25-08 04:35 PM Response to Reply #73 |
95. it seems the thing you are missing, is that |
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DURHAM D (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-25-08 05:27 PM Response to Reply #95 |
99. This ruling seems to only apply to retirees over 65. eom |
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Bleacher Creature (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-25-08 02:54 PM Response to Original message |
75. Thanks Ralph. n/t |
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lonestarnot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-25-08 03:00 PM Response to Original message |
76. SCOTUS now just facist lapdogs for corps. |
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lebkuchen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-25-08 03:54 PM Response to Original message |
90. The Bushies are pushing the US toward revolution |
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Megahurtz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-25-08 05:33 PM Response to Original message |
100. OMG. |
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indepat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-25-08 05:46 PM Response to Original message |
102. The felonious five committing a heinous felony upon countless millions |
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bronxiteforever (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-25-08 05:48 PM Response to Original message |
103. And to sweeten the deal Happy Henry Paulson wants to sink Medicare |
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lumberjack_jeff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-25-08 06:03 PM Response to Original message |
106. No, corporations are indeed "all heartless". |
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and-justice-for-all (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-25-08 09:49 PM Response to Original message |
109. Obviously their goal is to kill as many people as they can.. |
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midnight (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-26-08 08:01 AM Response to Original message |
110. More fear...... |
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111. K&R |
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