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MadAndy Donating Member (202 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 02:57 PM
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Hillary: “I Have Felt the Presence of the Holy Spirit”
Source: CBN

Hillary Clinton: I believe in the father, son, and Holy Spirit, and I have felt the presence of the Holy Spirit on many occasions in my years on this earth.
Reporter: Can I ask you theologically, do you believe that the resurrection of Jesus actually happened, that it actually historically did happen?
Senator Clinton: Yes, I do

Read more: http://www.cbn.com/CBNnews/334482.aspx



Mrs Clinton sucking up to the evangelicals. She goes on to say that she believes the whole bible is real.
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  - and yet, obama saying he "prays to jesus every night" is okay?  niyad   Mar-06-08 02:58 PM   #1 
  - He has to. Mrs Clinton's team keeps accusing him of being Muslim  MadAndy   Mar-06-08 03:01 PM   #5 
  - And yet the hypocrites who support Queen Hillary will give her a pass  thecatburgler   Mar-06-08 03:02 PM   #9 
  - I've felt the presence of bullshit on DU.  xultar   Mar-06-08 02:58 PM   #2 
  - Hillary Clinton's religion is none of my business  Cant trust em   Mar-06-08 02:59 PM   #3 
  - The fact that we may elect a president who suffers from delusions is totally my business  jgraz   Mar-06-08 03:02 PM   #8 
     - Obama prays, too  LostinVA   Mar-06-08 03:06 PM   #14 
     - I don't like it any better when Obama does it  jgraz   Mar-06-08 03:08 PM   #19 
     - it's a little goofy, but I'm more interested in the bottom line  Cant trust em   Mar-06-08 03:06 PM   #16 
  - Just once can we have somebody running who isn't religiously deluded?  LeftyMom   Mar-06-08 02:59 PM   #4 
  - Unfortunately, I am too young and lazy to run for the office.  Starbucks Anarchist   Mar-06-08 03:01 PM   #6 
  - I'm too busy.......  kestrel91316   Mar-06-08 03:05 PM   #13 
  - for the foreseeable future, it is indeed too much to ask  paulkienitz   Mar-06-08 03:24 PM   #36 
  - She must have heard that my fundy mom voted for Obama.  Kittycat   Mar-06-08 03:02 PM   #7 
  - Did you listen to the interview? Apparently not.  DURHAM D   Mar-06-08 03:17 PM   #26 
  - In reality it was probably just gas.  JNelson6563   Mar-06-08 03:03 PM   #10 
  - Politicians of ALL stripes need to keep their personal religious  kestrel91316   Mar-06-08 03:03 PM   #11 
  - The constant pandering by both Clinton and Obama  Warpy   Mar-06-08 03:09 PM   #22 
  - Maybe she'll remove the Statue of Liberty and put up a statue of some dandy Praying Hands!  Judi Lynn   Mar-06-08 03:04 PM   #12 
  - I understand those "hands" are for sale.  DURHAM D   Mar-06-08 03:06 PM   #15 
  - Oh, jeez! Had heard their whole place is falling apart, but the "Praying Hands?"  Judi Lynn   Mar-06-08 03:09 PM   #21 
  - High five! n/t  moggie   Mar-06-08 03:25 PM   #38 
  - I thought Liberals are the open minded. Hillary has been a  OHdem10   Mar-06-08 03:06 PM   #17 
  - Finally...  WyldRogue   Mar-06-08 03:18 PM   #27 
  - Hello everybody -- this is hardly a legitimate news source  LostinVA   Mar-06-08 03:08 PM   #18 
  - Its her new look for the campaign trail  DJ13   Mar-06-08 03:08 PM   #20 
  - Sally Field she ain't...  Baby Snooks   Mar-06-08 03:32 PM   #48 
  - I suppose you'll ridicule my religious experiences as well. I pity you n/t  Fredda Weinberg   Mar-06-08 03:11 PM   #23 
  - I am not religious myself but have respect for true believers and wouldn't  MadAndy   Mar-06-08 03:20 PM   #29 
     - I've heard her oldest friends say she is. So who knows better?  Fredda Weinberg   Mar-06-08 03:26 PM   #39 
  - as a Christian, she should denounce those trying to smear Obama as a Muslim  Az_lefty   Mar-06-08 03:11 PM   #24 
  - During her first senate run, didn't she claim to be Jewish? eom  MadAndy   Mar-06-08 03:23 PM   #34 
  - Just when we thought Hillary couldn't stoop any lower.  Hieronymus   Mar-06-08 03:15 PM   #25 
  - Hello - that interview is 9 months old.  DURHAM D   Mar-06-08 03:21 PM   #31 
  - And that it's nine months old is relevant, how? You think she would ...  Hieronymus   Mar-06-08 03:23 PM   #35 
     - You didn't listen.  DURHAM D   Mar-06-08 03:27 PM   #41 
  - Jesus Christ!!  WyldRogue   Mar-06-08 03:22 PM   #32 
  - Methodists aren't Fundamentalists  LostinVA   Mar-06-08 03:18 PM   #28 
  - they are in the south  RainDog   Mar-06-08 03:22 PM   #33 
  - No, they aren't  LostinVA   Mar-06-08 03:28 PM   #43 
  - Did you go to SMU?  Baby Snooks   Mar-06-08 03:29 PM   #44 
  - Will everyone stop talking about their imaginary friends?  melody   Mar-06-08 03:21 PM   #30 
  - FWIW, Melody, I am your imaginary friend, Mr Biggles, from when you were two  Bucky   Mar-06-08 03:26 PM   #40 
  - She's always been pretty religious, as anyone who's read her biographies knows  Bucky   Mar-06-08 03:25 PM   #37 
  - Just spare me.  AngryOldDem   Mar-06-08 03:28 PM   #42 
  - how is an interview from last July "LBN'?? n/t  AZDemDist6   Mar-06-08 03:29 PM   #45 
  - And one from a completely illegitimate source  LostinVA   Mar-06-08 03:31 PM   #46 
  - Obviously, she has not been touched by His Noodly Appendage!  hatrack   Mar-06-08 03:32 PM   #47 
  - locking  maddezmom   Mar-06-08 03:32 PM   #49 
 
niyad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 02:58 PM
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1. and yet, obama saying he "prays to jesus every night" is okay?
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MadAndy Donating Member (202 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 03:01 PM
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5. He has to. Mrs Clinton's team keeps accusing him of being Muslim
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mrreowwr_kittty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 03:02 PM
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9. And yet the hypocrites who support Queen Hillary will give her a pass
On everything they excoriate Obama for.

When he goes on the 700 Club it's bad. When Her Majesty does it, it's smart campaigning.

When he associates with homophobe, it means he's worse than Hitler. When she has homophobes endorsing her and working in her campaign, it's hunky-dory because it only counts when the homophobe emcees a gospel concert for you.
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xultar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 02:58 PM
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2. I've felt the presence of bullshit on DU.
Edited on Thu Mar-06-08 02:59 PM by xultar
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Cant trust em Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 02:59 PM
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3. Hillary Clinton's religion is none of my business
Since there hasn't been any history of her legislating based on religion, you can put this on top of the "I don't give an arse" pile.
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 03:02 PM
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8. The fact that we may elect a president who suffers from delusions is totally my business
Would you feel differently if she made decisions by gazing at bird entrails instead of praying?
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LostinVA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 03:06 PM
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14. Obama prays, too
And, I haven't seen Hillary making religiously influenced votes or injecting religion into her politics.
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 03:08 PM
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19. I don't like it any better when Obama does it
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Cant trust em Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 03:06 PM
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16. it's a little goofy, but I'm more interested in the bottom line
did candidate X come to the right decision? That's all I really care about. I really don't like the anti-religious tone that usually comes from DU. Not like I'm religious, but I don't want us to be the athiest party.
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LeftyMom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 02:59 PM
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4. Just once can we have somebody running who isn't religiously deluded?
I want a President who makes decisions without the aid of their imaginary friend. Is that too fucking much to ask?
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Starbucks Anarchist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 03:01 PM
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6. Unfortunately, I am too young and lazy to run for the office.
;)
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kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 03:05 PM
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13. I'm too busy.......
and there WAS that matter of the artsy nude photos my freshman year of college........
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paulkienitz Donating Member (313 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 03:24 PM
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36. for the foreseeable future, it is indeed too much to ask
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Kittycat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 03:02 PM
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7. She must have heard that my fundy mom voted for Obama.
And knows how many hours a day she spends talking on the phone to her friends. :rofl:
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DURHAM D Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 03:17 PM
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26. Did you listen to the interview? Apparently not.
You also missed the fact the interview happened last July.
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JNelson6563 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 03:03 PM
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10. In reality it was probably just gas.
But it's a common mistake. ;-)
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kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 03:03 PM
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11. Politicians of ALL stripes need to keep their personal religious
beliefs to themselves. If they wanna SHOW me what a good Christian they are through their ACTIONS, that's fine. Just STFU about doctrine.
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 03:09 PM
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22. The constant pandering by both Clinton and Obama
is displaying a certain tone deafness on their part. While most people will claim to be Christian, few actually attend church every Sunday and fewer still are particularly passionate about that belief system.

Fundamentalists have given all Christians in this country a reputation for intolerance and bullying, something that is deserved because mainstream Christians have not been particularly vocal at condemning heresies like Dispensationalism and Rapturism.

There was a recent study showing that young believers were loath to self identify as Christians because of that. They don't want to be lumped in with the fundamentalists.

What the two candidates need to do is reassure people that, while their personal faith is a moral guide in their personal lives, it won't be codified into law forced onto non believers and casual sinners among believers of different sects, alike.

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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 03:04 PM
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12. Maybe she'll remove the Statue of Liberty and put up a statue of some dandy Praying Hands!
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DURHAM D Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 03:06 PM
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15. I understand those "hands" are for sale.
Apparently they are falling apart and ORU doesn't have the money to repair.
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 03:09 PM
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21. Oh, jeez! Had heard their whole place is falling apart, but the "Praying Hands?"
I think they already have an idea where they might start looking to find out where all the money went, by now!

They'll not be able to get that back, either.

Someone posted photos here of places on the Oral Roberts campus showing the sidewalks and dormitories are falling apart in a big way. It almost looked like tornado damage!

Oral Roberts really SHOULD step in and try to "heal" the school.
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moggie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 03:25 PM
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38. High five! n/t
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OHdem10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 03:06 PM
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17. I thought Liberals are the open minded. Hillary has been a
practicing Methodist all her life. No one has the market cornered
on Religion. Each Candidate is free to express their thoughts
on Religion without it being considered a suck up.

IMO, we would be better off not harping about Religion. Almost
all Leaders on the Hill practice some form of Religion. Most
Americans practice some form of Religion. This is Life.

Carping about Religion and any candidate is a waste of time.
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WyldRogue Donating Member (312 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 03:18 PM
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27. Finally...
...someone makes a universal post that ACTUALLY contains substance.

Attacking candidates over religious beliefs is down-right wrong. What's next? Moan over the color of his TIE or the style of her HAIR?

Some people has got a lot of growing up to do during political monsoons. Both are viable candidates and both would steer our country in the right direction...so you 'kids' keep on rotting the Dem party from the inside out like a cancer with your absolute hatred for one another's candidate of choice.

Question: Was the hatred of Clinton so deep as it is now BEFORE she ran for the Nom??

Question: Was the hatred of Obama so deep as it is now BEFORE he ran for the Nom??



The supporters on both sides are too tempermental and immature. And by some of the attitudes displayed in the disgusting posts I have read attacking one another, these are the under 30 crowd who still have not achieved maturity in the political landscape. They are treating this like a god damn football game. Shame!
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LostinVA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 03:08 PM
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18. Hello everybody -- this is hardly a legitimate news source
It's a RW nutter fundy publication.

Not to mention, Obama certainly has never shied away from sucking up to Evangelicals.
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DJ13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 03:08 PM
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20. Its her new look for the campaign trail


:rofl:
She's trying to prevent Obama from trowing dirt back at her.
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Baby Snooks Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 03:32 PM
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48. Sally Field she ain't...
And I doubt with the baggage she's carrying a mega-tornado would manage to get her airborne. Sally was the flying nun. Hillary is the crash-on- take-off nun.
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Fredda Weinberg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 03:11 PM
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23. I suppose you'll ridicule my religious experiences as well. I pity you n/t
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MadAndy Donating Member (202 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 03:20 PM
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29. I am not religious myself but have respect for true believers and wouldn't
ridicule them. I do not think Mrs Clinton is a true believer. My intention was to point out her pandering to the right.
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Fredda Weinberg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 03:26 PM
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39. I've heard her oldest friends say she is. So who knows better?
I recognize someone who shares my depth of faith. I judge her by her actions.
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Az_lefty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 03:11 PM
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24. as a Christian, she should denounce those trying to smear Obama as a Muslim
she know's it's a lie but won't denounce it. The "I take him at his word" crap isn't enough.
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MadAndy Donating Member (202 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 03:23 PM
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34. During her first senate run, didn't she claim to be Jewish? eom
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Hieronymus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 03:15 PM
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25. Just when we thought Hillary couldn't stoop any lower.
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DURHAM D Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 03:21 PM
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31. Hello - that interview is 9 months old.
Did you listen to it?

I am agnostic but the interview is in no way offensive. It is not an appeal to fundamentalists or evangelicals - she is Methodist and rational.
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Hieronymus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 03:23 PM
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35. And that it's nine months old is relevant, how? You think she would ...
answer differently now?
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DURHAM D Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 03:27 PM
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41. You didn't listen.
It is actually a very interesting interview. Bless you and your chosen ignorance.
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WyldRogue Donating Member (312 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 03:22 PM
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32. Jesus Christ!!
A daft response from a daft individual. And no, I'm not singling you out because you are an Obama supporter. If you had been a Clinton supporter, I would still have responded the same way.

So it's low for Clinton to invoke a religious thought or feeling??

Nothing but kids on DU as that is the most obscene and immature subject/topic to bitch at a candidate about. Both sides are really looking bad.
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LostinVA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 03:18 PM
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28. Methodists aren't Fundamentalists
They don't believe in the literal interpretation of the Bible.

I went to a Methodist college and had both religion and Koines Greek taught by Methodist clergy.

I call bull on both the quotes AND the illegit source.

Boo.
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RainDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 03:22 PM
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33. they are in the south
maybe that's a diff. branch, like American baptists (not literalists) and Southern Baptists (literalists.)

I think the point is that all presidential candidates and nominees in this country have to suck up to the bullshit beliefs of the religious right or else the extremists will use it against them.
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LostinVA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 03:28 PM
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43. No, they aren't
I lived in NC for 17 years, VA for almost 8, and the Methodist school I went to was in the South. There may be some nutjob Methodists, but the Methodist Church does NOT believe in the literal interpretation of the Bible, and the Methodists have a hierarchy.

I personally don't care if candidates talk about their religion, as long as what they say isn't done on the backs on a group of people (women, gays, Muslims, Jews, et al), and as long as they don't legislate that way.
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Baby Snooks Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 03:29 PM
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44. Did you go to SMU?
That's a fine Methodist University. Soon to house the George W Bush Presidential Library. And the George W Bush Institute of Fascist Government. Adjunct professors from A&M will teach there.

He felt the presence of the Holy Spirit as well and God of course talks to him. He told an Amish community that at one point. So now Hillary feels the presence as well. Really an encouraging thought.

Watch out. Next comes Hillary talking about our "Christian nation" thinking that might grab the attention of the conservative Republicans who really don't like John McCain. Good luck. All they see in Hillary is what a lot of other people see in Hillary. Bill and his cigar.

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melody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 03:21 PM
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30. Will everyone stop talking about their imaginary friends?
This is fucking embarrassing.
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Bucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 03:26 PM
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40. FWIW, Melody, I am your imaginary friend, Mr Biggles, from when you were two
and I wish you would still talk to me.
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Bucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 03:25 PM
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37. She's always been pretty religious, as anyone who's read her biographies knows
Even the attack biographies that the smear machines hire on her end up commenting on her religious beliefs. She's doubtlessly playing up her faith to help her image, but there's nothing wrong with hype in a candidate as long as they're being honest.
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AngryOldDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 03:28 PM
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42. Just spare me.
:puke: :puke: :puke: :puke:

Is there ANYTHING she won't do for a vote?

Got news for her. If McCain chooses Huckabee as a VP, she could claim she is the Virgin Mary Incarnate and it won't make a damn bit of difference.
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NMDemDist2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 03:29 PM
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45. how is an interview from last July "LBN'?? n/t
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LostinVA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 03:31 PM
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46. And one from a completely illegitimate source
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hatrack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 03:32 PM
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47. Obviously, she has not been touched by His Noodly Appendage!
Fie, fie, I say!
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maddezmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 03:32 PM
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49. locking
Not Latest Breaking News. The interview is from last July, feel free to post in the General Discussion: Primaries forum.
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