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NYT: Big Wins for Clinton in Texas and Ohio; McCain Is In as G.O.P. Choice

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rodeodance (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Mar-05-08 09:51 AM
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NYT: Big Wins for Clinton in Texas and Ohio; McCain Is In as G.O.P. Choice
Source: nytimes

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/05/us/politics/05cnd-pri...

March 5, 2008
NYT: Big Wins for Clinton in Texas and Ohio; McCain Is In as G.O.P. Choice
By ADAM NAGOURNEY

Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton in Columbus, Ohio, on Tuesday. More Photos >


Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton defeated Senator Barack Obama in the Ohio and Texas primaries on Tuesday, ending a string of defeats and allowing her to soldier on in a Democratic presidential nomination race that now seems unlikely to end any time soon.

Mrs. Clinton also won Rhode Island, while Mr. Obama won in Vermont. But the results mean that Mrs. Clinton won the two states she most needed to keep her candidacy alive.

In an interview on CNN Wednesday morning, Mrs. Clinton said she was not deterred Mr. Obama’s continued lead in elected delegate support, and argued that she would be the stronger candidate in a general election against the now-assured Republican candidate, Senator John McCain. “What’s important is that this campaign has turned a corner,” she said.

Seeking to minimize the importance of Mr. Obama’s string of victories, Mrs. Clinton said, “A month ago people did not know who the nominee would be” and said she was prepared to contest Mr. McCain on national security issues, which she said would be the focus of his campaign.
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Mrs. Clinton’s victory in Texas was razor thin and came early Wednesday morning after most Americans had gone to bed. But by winning decisively in Ohio earlier in the night, Mrs. Clinton was able to deliver a televised victory speech in time for the late-night news. And the result there allowed her to cast Tuesday as the beginning of a comeback even though she stood a good chance of gaining no ground against Mr. Obama in the hunt for delegates.

“No candidate in recent history — Democratic or Republican — has won the White House without winning the Ohio primary,” Mrs. Clinton, of New York, said at a rally in Columbus, Ohio. “We all know that if we want a Democratic president, we need a Democratic nominee who can win Democratic states just like Ohio.”




NYTimes-front page
Clinton Wins in Texas and Ohio; She Says Campaign Has ‘Turned a Corner’
Wednesday, March 5, 2008 Last Update: 9:32 AM ET

http://www.nytimes.com /


Read more: http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/05/us/politics/05cnd-pri...
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   That is not the NYT headline... Texas was not a big win  catgirl   Mar-05-08 10:02 AM   #1 
   I cut and pasted it.--as it was at the time.  rodeodance   Mar-05-08 11:56 AM   #2 
   It certainly was big for Hillary  Winterblues   Mar-05-08 12:29 PM   #6 
   Hillary's net pickup in delegates is ???  speedbird   Mar-05-08 12:08 PM   #3 
   Factor in all of the Republicans who voted for Hillary in Texas at the behest of Rush Limbaugh.  noel adamson   Mar-05-08 12:20 PM   #4 
   ha ha keep telling yourselves that!  indimuse   Mar-05-08 12:48 PM   #7 
      Actually others are telling me that. Pretty reliable sources too. No value judgement intended...  noel adamson   Mar-05-08 01:21 PM   #8 
   She had a good night but shes still playing a losing hand  The Croquist   Mar-05-08 12:21 PM   #5 
 
catgirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Mar-05-08 10:02 AM
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1. That is not the NYT headline... Texas was not a big win


From the article:

Also appearing on CNN Wednesday morning, Mr. Obama pointed out that he retains his lead in delegates, and said he had run strongly in states where he started at a disadvantage. “We started 20 points behind in Texas and Ohio,” he said. He said he was not able to “close completely” the gap in those states, but he would continue to seek the Democratic nomination.
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rodeodance (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Mar-05-08 11:56 AM
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2. I cut and pasted it.--as it was at the time.
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Winterblues (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Mar-05-08 12:29 PM
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6. It certainly was big for Hillary
She won Texas that was huge for Hillary. It was indeed a big win even if by only a few votes. It did not suggest nor say the difference in votes was big.
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speedbird (71 posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Mar-05-08 12:08 PM
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3. Hillary's net pickup in delegates is ???
for March 4th.

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noel adamson (353 posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Mar-05-08 12:20 PM
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4. Factor in all of the Republicans who voted for Hillary in Texas at the behest of Rush Limbaugh.
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indimuse Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Mar-05-08 12:48 PM
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7. ha ha keep telling yourselves that!
Vegas and other Caucuses....Obama:"Come all Republicans and Independents be a Democrat for a day and help STOP Hillary!" Caucus for Barack Obama...This is something already in play by the Obama (never do wrong)CAMP!
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noel adamson (353 posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Mar-05-08 01:21 PM
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8. Actually others are telling me that. Pretty reliable sources too. No value judgement intended...
I think Of Hillary and Obama as just two more corporate sponsored candidates like McCain. All right better than McCain, but we will never see improvement in health care or an end to Iraq or any of the other corporate corruption of our government.
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The Croquist (839 posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Mar-05-08 12:21 PM
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5. She had a good night but shes still playing a losing hand
We've got Wyoming and Mississippi coming up and Obama will clobber her in both.

I've got an excel spreadsheet about the primaries (I'm a number crunching geek) and some of the factors point to big wins for him.

He tends to do well in states with either few or lots of African Americans. She does better in states with about "average" (7% - 14%) African American populations.
He tends to do well in red states. She does better in blue states.
She tends to do well in states with allot of Hispanics. He tends to do well in states with fewer hispanics but it's not as significant as the first two.
Age of the voter doesn't seem to be a significant despite her big win in Florida.

Both states vote republican. Wyoming has 0.9% and Mississippi has 37% African American populations.

Bottom line; Obama wins big.
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