Vitamin E linked to Lung Cancer

[nodehopper]

Source: BBC

Taking high doses of vitamin E supplements can increase the risk of lung cancer, research suggests.

The US study of 77,000 people found taking 400 milligrams per day long-term increased cancer risk by 28% - with smokers at particular risk.

Read more: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/7271189.stm

[devilgrrl]

1. Tobacco contains vitamin E?

:popcorn:

[onehandle]

26. Tobacco can kill in low doses. The BBC article specifically says "high doses of vitamin E."

You'd have to go out of your way to kill yourself with vitamin E.

Light tobacco use would do the trick.

But I digress......

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

2. What KIND of Vitamin E?

There are several different kinds. I'm not able to look up the article about this now, but am responding so I can come back to this thread.

[kimmerspixelated]

10. Exactly, and frankly they probably

tested the synthetic kind, which I hear is useless, really.

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

14. You may wish to read "Confused About Vitamin E"

http://www.futurevisionsfoundation.org/VitaminE.htm

This article talks about the 8 different kinds of Vitamin E and how the RDA for humans was determined--by rats!

These sentences from the article are most important, I think:

What’s the take-home message from this? Take supplements as close to whole food forms, or at least in balanced forms, as much as possible. The FDA still requires vitamin E to be labeled by its alpha tocopherol content, but there are now forms of E that have “mixed tocopherols and tocotrienols” added to the mixture. And EAT RIGHT.

[MilesColtrane]

3. Isn't that about 40X the RDA?

Taking or eating 40 times the recommended amount of anything can pretty much fuck you up.

Even water...

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

15. Do you know how the RDA was determined?

From "Confused About Vitamin E" by Alice R. Laule, MD

http://www.futurevisionsfoundation.org/VitaminE.htm


Just how that RDA was determined is fascinating, and meaningful in interpreting this recent study that showed harm from vitamin E. In the early 20th century there was no known deficiency disease for vitamin E in humans. What was known and testable was that pregnant rats would reabsorb their fetus if they were deficient in alpha tocopherol. Pregnant rats were fed diets deficient in vitamin E, and then given just barely enough to stop maternal rat fetal reabsorption. Only the alpha tocopherol form of vitamin E stops fetal reabsorption. The amount as determined from rats was weight adjusted and applied to humans, thus the RDA for vitamin E became “30 IU of alpha tocopherol per day.”

[Wiley50]

4. What's that in I.U.'s ?

My multi has 48 I.U. of E

and I smoke (for 40 years)

[muriel_volestrangler]

24. Going by this, 400mg is 600 IUs

http://ods.od.nih.gov/factsheets/vitamine.asp#h3

[Catchawave]

38. Centrum Silver has 50 i.u.'s

Damn, what next is going to kill me?

Probably STRESS from worrying about this stuff :silly:

[woodsprite]

41. My Nordic Omega 3's has 30 IU's and that says 100% daily value. n/t

[jeanruss]

5. another vitamin hit job

Big Pharma is continually showcasing shoddy studies to hurt vitamin business. They want people as sick as possible to keep the profits up. Now we have chemtrails spreading chemicals in the air to keep people debilitated. As more people are looking into what is in their food and changing their habits, Big Pharma is using its media to fight back against this trend. They have already succeeded in Britain and health stores are closing because of new government regulations banning vitamins.

[kimmerspixelated]

9. EXACTLY!

And thanks for posting. Everytime I try to introduce the evils of Big Pharma trying to knock natural methods, I get insulted repeatedly. There are folks at the DU who seem to think it's ALL snake oil!

[muriel_volestrangler]

22. 'Natural methods' means eating a varied diet of fruit and veg

which is what is recommended in the article. The article is highly in favour of natural methods, as opposed to swallowing pills containing high doses of vitamins that a natural diet never has.

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

16. Check out this link for some FACTS about Vitamin E

http://www.futurevisionsfoundation.org/VitaminE.htm

[Ian David]

35. But it makes sharks FLY!

[StarryNite]

29. Bingo!

Some people just don't understand the power of Big Pharma.

[Catchawave]

39. Agree wholeheartedly !

They're the same ones keeping marijuana illegal because Big Pharma wants to control and profit off our addictions.

[originalpckelly]

40. Chemtrails? OMG! Are you partly or completely insane?

:shrug:

[AngryAmish]

6. We need less vitamins, more delicious nicotine

[Megahurtz]

7. LOL that's a good one

:spray: I totally believe that one LOL.:rofl:

[peacebuzzard]

8. wonder how many test control animals had to suffer for that statement

the scientific theory with control groups and measured input/output has inflicted so much pain and torture on the innocent animals for a bullshit statement like this one.

Then the docs will proudly spill out this jargon to you in the steel cold waiting rooms, and tell you not to try those nasty little herbs and vitamins: you never know what can develop. The only sliver of super hyped over publicized over reacted herb gone wrong was the "chapparal" incident which resulted in that herb being whisked off all the natural food and vitamin stores and shelves while the AMA FDA (Big Pharma) enjoyed the witch hunt and forever and to this day use that single incident for their "See what can happen".



http://www.selene.com/healthlink/fda.html

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

17. Well, from what I understand, pregnant rats were involved

in determining the RDA for Vitamin E. To quote from Dr. Laule's article on subject:

Rats need alpha tocopherol. Humans don’t require as much alpha tocopherol. As this last decade has unfolded, it becomes clear that humans actually need gamma tocopherol, particularly for heart health.

http://www.futurevisionsfoundation.org/VitaminE.htm

[peacebuzzard]

28. I take 400iu a day and so do 4 of my dogs.

for the pooches it also helps circulation and cardio. We are all upper middle age, and it seems to help.

[ooglymoogly]

11. I have taken 1000IU of vit E alpha and mixed tocopherals, off and on (mostly on) every day

for 45 years) I am not advocating this for anyone else!. This was on advise from Adele Davis (famous dietitian for those who don't know) when I was much younger. When I visit the Dr. he marvels at the health of my heart and my low blood pressure. I am just saying this article seems to me to be another load of crappola propaganda from big pharma.

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

18. My doctor would probably say right on!

She posted her article on Vitamin E-you may wish to read it:

http://www.futurevisionsfoundation.org/VitaminE.htm

[ooglymoogly]

21. thanx for the link nt

[nolabels]

30. Can Curry Help Fight Cancer?

Big Pharma is an example of capitalist using the shaft of big government against the people they were supposed to be protecting

Can Curry Help Fight Cancer?
http://www.healthcastle.com/curry_cancer.shtml

[muriel_volestrangler]

23. Surely you mean "propaganda from big *farmers*"?

Since it says "people should get their vitamins from fruit and veg."

Or is it propaganda from Big Don't Smoke-ers, since it also says "Quitting smoking remains the most effective way to avoid many cancers"? Curse that evil cabal of people who try to get people to give up smoking! They must want the share price of tobacco companies to crash or something!

[ooglymoogly]

27. nope, I mean big pharma

since they make the stop smoking patches and the multi billion dollar blood pressure medicines. It is silly to think farmers will be effected by this kind of propaganda and big tobacco for that matter as damage from smoking has been front and center for decades. Anybody who does not know smoking is deadly is already dead.

[muriel_volestrangler]

31. No mention of blood pressure in this article at all

It's about cancer. If you think "Anybody who does not know smoking is deadly is already dead", then surely a nicotine patch to help people stop smoking would be A Good Thing? Or is anything done by 'Big Pharma' bad by definition?

Why would farmers be unaffected by a call to eat more fruit and vegetables? Clearly, that's the message about vitamins from the article - they're best obtained by eating a good diet. Nowhere does it suggest taking pharmaceuticals.

[ooglymoogly]

33. Yeah fer sher dood/dooodes Everybody, after reading this article, is going

to rush out and buy vegetables. It is not a new thing that vegetables are an important part of any diet. Cheap and easy to obtain Vit E has prevented (IMO) this old heart from beginning its long decline, while all my siblings are taking heart medicines at a tremendous cost; And just how about not having a need for stop smoking patches at all. Either or both of these easily controlled negatives could be helped or turned positive by the use of vit E causing big pharma to recalculate its obscene profits. Big pharma has a long history of influencing laws that benefit them at the cost of the people of this country by their use of massive propaganda and fake and misleading studies.

[muriel_volestrangler]

37. And yet 'Big Pharma' is not involved in this story at all, but you keeping accusing it of something

What the article says is that taking Vitamin E, at about the 10 times the amount that a normal, healthy, varied diet gets you, may increase the risk of lung cancer. The people in the article suggest eating plenty of fruit and vegetables, and giving up smoking. They didn't mention nicotine patches - you did. It's you who is determined to drag 'Big Pharma' into this.

There are no laws involved here either. It's a study. With no evidence whatsoever, you just claim it's "fake and misleading", and "propaganda", by an unconnected industry.

[Acadia Blue]

12. I don't know if I believe this. Olive oil, sunflower oil, walnuts and lots

of other similar things contain really high amounts of vitamin E.

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

20. That's right

and it is interesting to note that there are 8 different kinds of Vitamin E. We need more of the gamma tocopherol kind than the alpha tocopherol. The RDA was developed in the 20s for alpha tocopherol, not gamma, and rats were used to determine what it was. Strange as it may seem, rats aren't people (with a few exceptions, all Republican), and their need of alpha tocopherol is different than what humans need.

[muriel_volestrangler]

25. Pretty difficult to get 400mg from a daily diet

Sunflower oil, over 60% linoleic, 1 tablespoon - 5.6mg. Even wheat germ oil only has 20mg per tablespoon. See http://ods.od.nih.gov/factsheets/vitamine.asp#h2 .

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

13. You may wish to read this article

Called "Confused About Vitamin E", because it gives a history of the study of the vitamin and also talks about the different kinds. I fudged a bit on the 4 paragraph rule, as I personally know the author of the article.

http://www.futurevisionsfoundation.org/VitaminE.htm

What you may not realize is that there are 8 forms of vitamin E. What you will find most readily on the shelves is alpha tocopherol. Alpha tocopherol was used years ago, in the early 20th century, to determine the RDA for vitamin E.

Just how that RDA was determined is fascinating, and meaningful in interpreting this recent study that showed harm from vitamin E. In the early 20th century there was no known deficiency disease for vitamin E in humans. What was known and testable was that pregnant rats would reabsorb their fetus if they were deficient in alpha tocopherol. Pregnant rats were fed diets deficient in vitamin E, and then given just barely enough to stop maternal rat fetal reabsorption. Only the alpha tocopherol form of vitamin E stops fetal reabsorption. The amount as determined from rats was weight adjusted and applied to humans, thus the RDA for vitamin E became “30 IU of alpha tocopherol per day.”

Now we are aware that there are many forms of vitamin E, yet the RDA for humans was derived from rat studies. Rats need alpha tocopherol. Humans don’t require as much alpha tocopherol. As this last decade has unfolded, it becomes clear that humans actually need gamma tocopherol, particularly for heart health. It has also become clear that the tocotrienols are an important, in that they have the ability to reduce cholesterol production. Tocotrienols work on the same cholesterol production pathway as the –statin drugs, but can reduce cholesterol without blocking Coenzyme Q-10 production like –statins do.

Let’s go back now to our initial scientific report that might have confused us. That study used alpha tocopherol acetate. People who may have benefited from some additional gamma tocopherol, and perhaps some tocotrienols received largish doses of only one of the 8 forms of vitamin E. The body’s feedback systems read this as a glut of vitamin E and will shut down absorption of the other 7 forms. In other words, people taking large amounts of alpha tocopherol are telling their body to stop absorbing the heart-healthy gamma tocopherol, which in turn could lead to decreased over all health.

What’s the take-home message from this? Take supplements as close to whole food forms, or at least in balanced forms, as much as possible.

[pleah]

19. Take this, don't take that! God this is so stupid.

Every time you turn around they come up with another study about some, something that is going to cause cancer. Shit happens. People get cancer that never smoked or drank alcohol or on and on. You have to die one day, so enjoy your life and don't worry about all this kind of crap. I smoke (half a pack a day) and drink once in a while. I do eat healthy foods. I'm rarely sick. Never had the flu. Blah, blah, blah. Worry will kill you faster than anything else.

[fasttense]

32. All things in moderation. n/t

[Ian David]

34. Impotence or lung cancer... hmmm... decisions decisions...

Not for me personally, I mean.

[OKthatsIT]

36. This is a CODEX Psyop