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Robbien Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Feb-28-08 03:08 PM
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USDA Shuts Down Congressional Audit
Source: AP

WASHINGTON (AP) — The Agriculture Department abruptly ordered congressional auditors to leave its headquarters and told its employees not to cooperate with them.

"You are hereby instructed not to meet with any member of the (Government Accountability Office) today, or until this matter is resolved," Michael Watts, a top USDA attorney, wrote to employees Wednesday in an e-mail obtained by The Associated Press.

The auditors were seeking information for an ongoing audit on Agriculture's office of civil rights and its handling of discrimination complaints. Specifically, they were investigating allegations that the department had previously provided false information for the audit.
. . .

"We are not interested in having our employees potentially put themselves at risk when they have not yet been advised of their rights and when we were not allowed to provide counsel," Kelly said. "We also pointed out to them that while they hold themselves out to be criminal investigators, GAO is an arm of Congress and has no authority to investigate violations of criminal law."



Read more: http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5jmMDqqS37QeJR2uBIwSO...



Bush's man Kelly claiming executive privilege it appears. Congress GAO cannot investigate a Federal dept?
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   sounds like an admission that they know CRIMES have been committed  Supersedeas   Feb-28-08 03:11 PM   #1 
   yep, it sure does  ixion   Feb-28-08 03:14 PM   #3 
   And here I thought that people who hadn't done anything wrong  gratuitous   Feb-28-08 03:13 PM   #2 
   That's the R mantra..."If yu've done nothing wrong...  rasputin1952DU Moderator   Feb-28-08 06:27 PM   #27 
      Right, and this is not like wiretapping or unreasonable searches,  f the letter   Feb-29-08 10:41 AM   #75 
         Precisely...this administration believes that laws do not have  rasputin1952DU Moderator   Feb-29-08 12:15 PM   #78 
   What tasty treats have they been cooking up for the US public?  48percenter   Feb-28-08 03:15 PM   #4 
   don't forget the cloning  bluesmail   Feb-28-08 06:50 PM   #33 
   Sounds like the investigators got too close to Bush's political appointees  Divernan   Feb-28-08 03:18 PM   #5 
   Have to order more medals:  jhain   Feb-28-08 03:23 PM   #6 
   Who would ever turn their back on that sociopath while he's hold a garrote?  Thor_MN   Feb-28-08 11:15 PM   #57 
   That picture always reminds me of the hangman's noose.  loudsue   Feb-29-08 10:15 AM   #73 
   The cronies have become very arrogant  liberal N proud   Feb-28-08 03:23 PM   #7 
   Mother of God...  femrap   Feb-28-08 03:33 PM   #8 
   The article states Cheney also kicked them out  Robbien   Feb-28-08 03:38 PM   #10 
      And Pelosi is still running  femrap   Feb-28-08 10:25 PM   #54 
         Stop their paychecks until they respond ---  defendandprotect   Feb-28-08 11:33 PM   #62 
         This lack of spine regarding Impeachment  femrap   Feb-29-08 12:34 PM   #80 
         GAO sued to get information regarding Cheney's Energy Task Force  Lasher   Feb-29-08 03:55 AM   #69 
            I had forgotten about about the 'quack quack'  femrap   Feb-29-08 12:27 PM   #79 
   They really have no shame or ethics do they?  progressoid   Feb-28-08 03:35 PM   #9 
   What the fuck?  pscot   Feb-28-08 03:40 PM   #11 
   I've just about given up hope they will act at all  MsLeopard   Feb-28-08 03:52 PM   #12 
   I'll second that WTF?!  Jeff In Milwaukee   Feb-28-08 04:14 PM   #15 
   If there is one thing I learned in Government...  wolfgangmo   Feb-29-08 06:48 AM   #70 
   When pigs fly out of my ass n/t  Imagine My Surprise   Feb-28-08 05:57 PM   #24 
   Too Busy  NikolaC   Feb-28-08 08:04 PM   #38 
   "We are republicon cronies, and thus doing a heckuva job." - USDA  SpiralHawk   Feb-28-08 03:57 PM   #13 
   The Destroyer needs to be resurrected  LiberalFighter   Feb-28-08 03:59 PM   #14 
   Won't work.  PurgedVoter   Feb-28-08 04:17 PM   #16 
      Dr Smith didn't always take orders from the President  LiberalFighter   Feb-28-08 05:03 PM   #19 
   This seems appropriate  Juan_de_la_Dem   Feb-28-08 04:21 PM   #17 
   I would want a lawyer present  foxeyes2   Feb-28-08 04:40 PM   #18 
   There's no indication they couldn't have asked for their attorneys to be present.  Shakespeare   Feb-28-08 06:48 PM   #32 
   This from the article  raebrek   Feb-29-08 11:37 AM   #77 
   Is it time to throw this wingnut line back in their face?  hvn_nbr_2   Feb-28-08 05:06 PM   #20 
   Bush Administration Attitude.  Speciesamused   Feb-28-08 05:07 PM   #21 
   Trickle down politics.  frog92969   Feb-28-08 07:36 PM   #37 
   How very odd  DFW   Feb-28-08 05:41 PM   #22 
   The GAO exists so that Congress can ensure that the Executive Branch  Squatch   Feb-28-08 05:46 PM   #23 
   The no play no pay rule sounds right to me.  Sam Ervin jret   Feb-28-08 06:15 PM   #25 
   WTF....This is a congressional investigation! The USDA has  rasputin1952DU Moderator   Feb-28-08 06:25 PM   #26 
   That's what allowing a Unitary Executive gets you--a neutered Congress.  Hekate   Feb-28-08 06:29 PM   #28 
   Holy crap...as a retired Fed, I recall GAO investigators being treated like GODS  katandmoon   Feb-28-08 06:29 PM   #29 
   The old gods become the new devils.  frog92969   Feb-28-08 07:03 PM   #34 
   That's what I've heard from people, too...  Beartracks   Feb-28-08 09:59 PM   #50 
   smoke ...fire ...more repuke crimes. I am used to it now.  L0oniX   Feb-28-08 06:40 PM   #30 
   Hey, Michael Watts: you work for US, not Bush  brentspeak   Feb-28-08 06:45 PM   #31 
   Come on dems  daa   Feb-28-08 07:18 PM   #35 
   It never friggin' ends  Gman   Feb-28-08 07:24 PM   #36 
   How dare the accountability office try to hold anybody accountable!  bjobotts   Feb-28-08 08:06 PM   #39 
   That's just the Bush modus operandi...  Beartracks   Feb-28-08 11:25 PM   #59 
   The stage is being dismantled...there is no illusion anymore.  saddlesore   Feb-28-08 08:11 PM   #40 
   I'm of the opinion that Bush/Cheney say to one another every day . .. "Don't worry, they'll  defendandprotect   Feb-28-08 11:35 PM   #64 
      I don't think they even need to say it...  saddlesore   Feb-29-08 03:52 PM   #82 
   I've got a serious case of outrage fatigue.  Laelth   Feb-28-08 08:22 PM   #41 
   Remember the old....  Green Mountain Dem   Feb-28-08 08:24 PM   #42 
   What will it take?  The Wizard   Feb-28-08 10:25 PM   #53 
   When are we not going to let these people get away with this shit?  fifthgendem   Feb-28-08 08:27 PM   #43 
   I stand with you. But I think the answer is...  Amonester   Feb-28-08 11:16 PM   #58 
      Like "blue dog" Democrats . .. ???  defendandprotect   Feb-28-08 11:36 PM   #65 
         No.na.n.n.n.no.no.......No!  frog92969   Feb-29-08 02:40 AM   #68 
   Gee, if only the Congress had authority to withhold appropriations from those  indepat   Feb-28-08 08:40 PM   #44 
   can they legally do that?  ElsewheresDaughter   Feb-28-08 08:54 PM   #45 
   Wow another Agency goes wrong No Accountability  lovuian   Feb-28-08 09:17 PM   #46 
   And why shouldn't they shut it down?  slutticus   Feb-28-08 09:18 PM   #47 
   Agriculture Department audit  parkeradison   Feb-28-08 09:19 PM   #48 
   k n r  BushDespiser12   Feb-28-08 09:39 PM   #49 
   A prerequsite for getting  The Wizard   Feb-28-08 10:14 PM   #51 
   Of course not !  ashling   Feb-28-08 10:19 PM   #52 
   The GAO may not have the power but congress can cut off..  Historic NY   Feb-28-08 10:45 PM   #55 
   Robbien  Diclotican   Feb-28-08 11:10 PM   #56 
   Didn't one of the original heads of the GAO resign in protest over other issues?  defendandprotect   Feb-28-08 11:28 PM   #60 
   I am SO sick of these people  nam78_two   Feb-28-08 11:31 PM   #61 
   IF they leave town, will they PARDON all of the USDA . . . ????  defendandprotect   Feb-28-08 11:34 PM   #63 
   This falls under the same type of irony as the govt being exempt from OSHA regulations  Connonym   Feb-28-08 11:37 PM   #66 
   HMMMMMM.....  Mozcram   Feb-29-08 01:26 AM   #67 
   I don't understand...  GTurck   Feb-29-08 09:19 AM   #71 
   That is a fairly stark admission they are criminals  f the letter   Feb-29-08 09:49 AM   #72 
   USDA no longer useful to We the People  Summer93   Feb-29-08 10:36 AM   #74 
   Well, well, well.  Orsino   Feb-29-08 10:52 AM   #76 
   THey are probably trying to cover up the fact that they have knowingly  kestrel91316   Feb-29-08 12:48 PM   #81 
 
Supersedeas (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Feb-28-08 03:11 PM
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1. sounds like an admission that they know CRIMES have been committed
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ixion Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Feb-28-08 03:14 PM
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3. yep, it sure does
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gratuitous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Feb-28-08 03:13 PM
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2. And here I thought that people who hadn't done anything wrong
Had nothing to hide. Perhaps I was misinformed? Or does that retarded aphorism apply only to us peons, and not to our exalted Republican masters?
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rasputin1952 DU Moderator Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Feb-28-08 06:27 PM
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27. That's the R mantra..."If yu've done nothing wrong...Updated at 10:06 PM
you have nothing to fear".

Until an investigation comes along that might expose fraud, abuse, discrimination...I guess you don't have to follow laws if you're in the bush pockets...laws are only for the "little people"...LIKE CITIZENS!!!!!
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f the letter (392 posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Fri Feb-29-08 10:41 AM
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75. Right, and this is not like wiretapping or unreasonable searches,
this is the GAO doing what it's supposed to do to government offices.
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rasputin1952 DU Moderator Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Fri Feb-29-08 12:15 PM
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78. Precisely...this administration believes that laws do not have Updated at 10:06 PM
any bearing on what they do. They believe themselves to be above the law, and that is the Hallmark of corruption.
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Eurobabe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Feb-28-08 03:15 PM
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4. What tasty treats have they been cooking up for the US public?
Mad cow, with a touch of bird flu, garnished with a hint of hoof and mouth disease?
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bluesmail Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Donate to DU! Thu Feb-28-08 06:50 PM
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33. don't forget the cloning
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Divernan (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Feb-28-08 03:18 PM
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5. Sounds like the investigators got too close to Bush's political appointees
Can't have the regular civil service employees explaining that illegal actions were performed on the direct orders of a Bush appointee.
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jhain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Feb-28-08 03:23 PM
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6. Have to order more medals:
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Thor_MN (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Feb-28-08 11:15 PM
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57. Who would ever turn their back on that sociopath while he's hold a garrote?
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loudsue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Donate to DU! Fri Feb-29-08 10:15 AM
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73. That picture always reminds me of the hangman's noose.
I guess bush just reminds me of an executioner.

:kick:
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liberal N proud Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Feb-28-08 03:23 PM
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7. The cronies have become very arrogant
They can violate the law and know they don't have to answer to anyone. They are protected under the bu$h doctrine of crime pays.
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femrap Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Donate to DU! Thu Feb-28-08 03:33 PM
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8. Mother of God...
Has anything like this happened before???

Cronies and their crimes...all I have to say is that if the next administration is Dem, I want ALL of the criminals in the W regime to be investigated, indicted, tried, and imprisoned....hopefully Iran-Contra taught them something.

I WANT JUSTICE.
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Robbien Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Feb-28-08 03:38 PM
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10. The article states Cheney also kicked them out
the GAO sued

and lost.
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femrap Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Donate to DU! Thu Feb-28-08 10:25 PM
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54. And Pelosi is still running
around threatening little Harriet Meiers and Josh Bolton. We are no longer a land of laws. At least there's Karma. And Contempt of Congress is only a misdemeanor???

When GAO sued...who decided the case? Can they appeal or was it the Supreme Court?
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Feb-28-08 11:33 PM
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62. Stop their paychecks until they respond ---
Meanwhile, this is the Democratic Congress we're counting on to STOP the war in Iraq --- ???

They are --- if anyone has noticed --- been made to look like idiots ---

While Cheney is now King of the Hill ---

Disgusting --- !!!


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femrap Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Donate to DU! Fri Feb-29-08 12:34 PM
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80. This lack of spine regarding Impeachment
will hurt them in the upcoming election. Looking back thru US history, every party that brought Impeachment won the next Prez election.

I, personally, cannot get too caught up in this election. Kerry losing nearly killed me....I must remain realistic and not become too invested in the outcome....I believe it's time to plan for a financially bad future and spend time on that.

I thought Edwards was are only chance. But the stupid Americans have been brainwashed by the constant repetition of 'TRIAL LAWYERS ARE BAD...DON'T TRUST THEM.'

My new mantra that I must keep repeating....'IT'S OUT OF MY CONTROL.'
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Lasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Fri Feb-29-08 03:55 AM
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69. GAO sued to get information regarding Cheney's Energy Task Force
Edited on Fri Feb-29-08 04:26 AM by Lasher
Unfortunately, the GAO lawsuit resulted in a stinging defeat for the GAO when a federal district court in Washington, D.C., accepted the Administration's argument that the GAO has no standing to bring a lawsuit to enforce a subpoena against anyone in the executive branch. The GAO, possibly influenced by the Republican congressional majority, chose not to appeal, leaving on the books a decision that may have a crippling effect on the GAO's power to assist Congress in overseeing executive branch activities.

http://www.bushsecrecy.org/page.cfm?PagesID=27&ParentID...

The Sierra Club and Judicial Watch sued to force the White House to release information but the Supreme Court ruled against them. Remember, that was the case where 'Quack Quack' Scalia refused to recuse himself.
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femrap Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Donate to DU! Fri Feb-29-08 12:27 PM
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79. I had forgotten about about the 'quack quack'
Edited on Fri Feb-29-08 12:27 PM by femrap
event. This evil cabal is turning the US into the Old Soviet Union...and I fear the worst is yet to come.

The number of crimes they have committed is beyond comprehension. The Dems are complicit.

edit for spelling



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progressoid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Feb-28-08 03:35 PM
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9. They really have no shame or ethics do they?
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pscot Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Feb-28-08 03:40 PM
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11. What the fuck?
When will the Congress stand up for itself?
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MsLeopard Donating Member (591 posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Feb-28-08 03:52 PM
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12. I've just about given up hope they will act at all
Congress has stood by through this entire national nightmare and done nothing. My hopes were so high in Nov 06 - but now I think the leadership is simply part of the cabal. Complicit in the crimes and We the People are screwn.
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Jeff In Milwaukee Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Donate to DU! Thu Feb-28-08 04:14 PM
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15. I'll second that WTF?!
That's what handcuffs are for. Use 'em!
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wolfgangmo (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Fri Feb-29-08 06:48 AM
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70. If there is one thing I learned in Government...
... it is easier to apologize after the fact, rather than ask for permission.


Cuff em', deny them contact and phone calls, water board them.



Crap. Has it come to this. That I am willing to deny the constitution in order to protect it?



Maybe, and for anyone who knows me, that means that things have gotten bad.
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Imagine My Surprise (938 posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Feb-28-08 05:57 PM
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24. When pigs fly out of my ass n/t
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38. Too Busy
investigating steroids and Roger Clemmens :mad:.
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SpiralHawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Feb-28-08 03:57 PM
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13. "We are republicon cronies, and thus doing a heckuva job." - USDA
"...to enrich other republicon cronies and screw the American public. Smirk."

- USDA
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LiberalFighter Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Feb-28-08 03:59 PM
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14. The Destroyer needs to be resurrected
And Dr Smith gives the order to "punish" these miscreants.
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PurgedVoter Donating Member (588 posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Feb-28-08 04:17 PM
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16. Won't work.
Dr. Smith took orders from the president, and they were happy to work outside the Constitution. On the other hand, the first time that * made up a nickname for or tried to short the pay due the Master of Sinanju, things would change.
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LiberalFighter Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Feb-28-08 05:03 PM
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19. Dr Smith didn't always take orders from the President
It was up to Smith to decide in most cases what to do.
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Juan_de_la_Dem Donating Member (779 posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Donate to DU! Thu Feb-28-08 04:21 PM
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17. This seems appropriate
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foxeyes2 (121 posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Feb-28-08 04:40 PM
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18. I would want a lawyer present
Look if my place of employment is being investigated for potential wrong doing especially criminal wrong doing and I am one of a few people being interviewed than you better damn well believe I want to have a lawyer present to protect my rights even if I have done nothing wrong.
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Shakespeare Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Feb-28-08 06:48 PM
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32. There's no indication they couldn't have asked for their attorneys to be present.
The DEPARTMENT through them out en masse. HUGE difference.
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raebrek (462 posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Fri Feb-29-08 11:37 AM
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77. This from the article
Edited on Fri Feb-29-08 11:48 AM by raebrek
The auditors refused to allow USDA lawyers to be present for the interviews, and after allowing one employee to talk, department officials stopped the interviews and told the investigators to leave the building, Kelly said.

Raebrek!!!

Sorry, This was a reply to #32 but I am to lazy to repost it. Sorry about that.
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hvn_nbr_2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Feb-28-08 05:06 PM
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20. Is it time to throw this wingnut line back in their face?
If you don't have anything to hide, what's the problem?
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Speciesamused (282 posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Feb-28-08 05:07 PM
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21. Bush Administration Attitude. Updated at 3:05 PM
Across the board. We don't
answer to anyone. Get out.
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frog92969 (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Feb-28-08 07:36 PM
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37. Trickle down politics.
And the piss runs right down into Main Street.

We need to cut the head off the snake.

-Metaphorically speaking.
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DFW Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Donate to DU! Thu Feb-28-08 05:41 PM
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22. How very odd
When the Clinton Administration was in place, the Republicans
assumed investigative powers that would have made the Spanish
Inquisition green with envy, Yet when they are themselves the
objects of an inquiry, they lock themselves up tighter than a
sultan's harem.
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Squatch (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Feb-28-08 05:46 PM
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23. The GAO exists so that Congress can ensure that the Executive Branch
is abiding by the law (to include appropriations of money and authorization for projects) that they enact.

While the GAO might not be able to conduct criminal investigations, it sure as hell indicate that required audits were not complied with. Since the power of the purse still resides with Congress, they can deauthorize programs and funds as an incentive for the USDA to comply.

But, we know that's not going to happen.

/do-nothing Congress, and all that.
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Sam Ervin jret (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Feb-28-08 06:15 PM
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25. The no play no pay rule sounds right to me.
If the audits were not complied with that is evidence of financial wrong doing and THAT call for a criminal investigation.

If they can "forget" to pay the phone company for a while then they can sure as hell "forget" to pay these program officials until this is addressed.

If they complain that this is not fair or legal, they can call their congress person.
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rasputin1952 DU Moderator Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Feb-28-08 06:25 PM
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26. WTF....This is a congressional investigation! The USDA has Updated at 10:06 PM
no right to subvert congressional authority.

That lawyer should be arrested for obstructing an investigation.
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Hekate Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Feb-28-08 06:29 PM
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28. That's what allowing a Unitary Executive gets you--a neutered Congress.
Gods -- I want my country back.

Hekate

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katandmoon Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Donate to DU! Thu Feb-28-08 06:29 PM
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29. Holy crap...as a retired Fed, I recall GAO investigators being treated like GODS
If they ever came around looking into anything we were instructed to bend over as far forward as we could go. GAO even had their own office on the premises. This was under both Repug and Dem administrations (I retired early in the Bush admin.).
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frog92969 (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Feb-28-08 07:03 PM
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34. The old gods become the new devils.
Story as old as man.

Congress ("The Peoples House") brought this on themselves, and us.
They let a blatantly criminal Blight House walk all over them year after year with barely a serious complaint, nobody in their right mind would take them seriously.

One more power hungry president and they could disappear completely.
I guess Congress is bad for business.
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Beartracks (819 posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Feb-28-08 09:59 PM
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50. That's what I've heard from people, too...
>...we were instructed to bend over as far forward as we could go...

And to not expect a thank you afterwards. :smoke:
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L0oniX Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Feb-28-08 06:40 PM
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30. smoke ...fire ...more repuke crimes. I am used to it now.
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brentspeak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Feb-28-08 06:45 PM
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31. Hey, Michael Watts: you work for US, not Bush
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daa (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Feb-28-08 07:18 PM
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35. Come on dems
Cut their funding.
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Gman Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Feb-28-08 07:24 PM
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36. It never friggin' ends
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bjobotts Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Donate to DU! Thu Feb-28-08 08:06 PM
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39. How dare the accountability office try to hold anybody accountable!
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Beartracks (819 posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Feb-28-08 11:25 PM
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59. That's just the Bush modus operandi...
... Do as they please, trivialize any legit grievances.

No Accountability
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Vilis Veritas (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Feb-28-08 08:11 PM
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40. The stage is being dismantled...there is no illusion anymore.
Edited on Thu Feb-28-08 08:12 PM by saddlesore
Those in power are flaunting their control. 250 million people just yawn and turn the channel because they might miss their favorite show.

"..there is always soma, delicious soma, half a gramme for a half-holiday, a gramme for a week-end, two grammes for a trip to the gorgeous East, three for a dark eternity on the moon..."

Brave New World
Aldous Huxley
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Feb-28-08 11:35 PM
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64. I'm of the opinion that Bush/Cheney say to one another every day . .. "Don't worry, they'll
never do anything --- !!"
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Vilis Veritas (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Fri Feb-29-08 03:52 PM
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82. I don't think they even need to say it...
Peace.
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Laelth Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Feb-28-08 08:22 PM
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41. I've got a serious case of outrage fatigue.
I know I should be hopping mad about this. Part of me is, but another part of me just shrugs this off as "par for the course."

I am, I suppose, mad at myself that I'm not more mad about this blatant abuse of executive power.

:shrug:

-Laelth
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Green Mountain Dem Donating Member (783 posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Donate to DU! Thu Feb-28-08 08:24 PM
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42. Remember the old....
typing excercise.."Now is the time for every good man to come to the aid of his country"...it's no longer an exercise!! The Rule of Law has become a laughing matter and is now an "In your face", we decide... what the fuck are you going to do about it?

When Congress continues to capitulate, we continue to lose our individual rights, freedoms and any semblance of checks and balances on the Executive and Judicial Branches of OUR Government!

We have been living a nightmare for 8 years and nothing changes...it just continues like the Energizer Bunny and the only ones laughing are the 25-30% who support this administration. When does the Sleeping Giant awake and take back our Country? Do we even have a country to take back?

My friends...My countrymen...WHAT WILL IT TAKE??
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The Wizard Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Donate to DU! Thu Feb-28-08 10:25 PM
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53. What will it take?
Try ten dollars a gallon gas for starters.
If this were France there would be a national strike, but we're a nation of lazy slugs.
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KatyaR Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Feb-28-08 08:27 PM
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43. When are we not going to let these people get away with this shit?
I'm am so SICK of reading about crap like this day in, day out--when are our Democratic leaders going to stand up and say, "ENOUGH!!!"

:banghead:
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Amonester Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Feb-28-08 11:16 PM
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58. I stand with you. But I think the answer is...
"The day we'll have 'a lot more' elected Dems in Congress."

Sadly, I am afraid to think this won't happen soon (election frauds & co). :(
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Feb-28-08 11:36 PM
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65. Like "blue dog" Democrats . .. ???
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frog92969 (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Fri Feb-29-08 02:40 AM
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68. No.na.n.n.n.no.no.......No!
They must be flushed down the toilet with the official repugs, and replaced with real democrats. No more DLC illusion.
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indepat (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Feb-28-08 08:40 PM
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44. Gee, if only the Congress had authority to withhold appropriations from those
who hold themselves unaccountable. :D
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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Feb-28-08 08:54 PM
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45. can they legally do that?
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lovuian (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Feb-28-08 09:17 PM
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46. Wow another Agency goes wrong No Accountability
its going on and on
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slutticus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Feb-28-08 09:18 PM
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47. And why shouldn't they shut it down?
Who's going to stop them?


Maybe if they were suspected of using growth hormone or steroids (on themselves...not cows) there would be some serious Congressional muscle put forth. They may even force people under oath!




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parkeradison (82 posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Feb-28-08 09:19 PM
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48. Agriculture Department audit
What next lurks behind curtains of the Bush Administration?
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HCE SuiGeneris Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Feb-28-08 09:39 PM
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49. k n r
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The Wizard Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Donate to DU! Thu Feb-28-08 10:14 PM
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51. A prerequsite for getting
appointed by Bush is the will to commit crimes and lie with a straight face. Prior criminal convictions are also a plus.
If it's not immunity for corporations, it's willful avoidance of subpoenas and all inquiry. Somebody needs to be water boarded or given a hot lead enema.
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ashling (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Feb-28-08 10:19 PM
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52. Of course not !
First they have to get retroactive immunity. :sarcasm:
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Historic NY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Feb-28-08 10:45 PM
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55. The GAO may not have the power but congress can cut off..
their funds until they cooperate........WTF do they think they are, they must submit to the elected authority or risk losing the purse strings. If Nanny Nancy & Weak Harry had any fortitude they would immediately close them down lock, stock and barrel. The USDA is not doingtheir job any way with the recalls and uninspected meat, our food chains depends upon a bunch of non performing political hacks. Shut them down Nancy & Harry
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Diclotican Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Feb-28-08 11:10 PM
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56.  RobbienUpdated at 11:22 PM
Robbien

This is bad, but believe me, the truth about this fascist regime of your, will come out sooner or later.. And then I would not be in the pants of the criminals who have been hijacked the US for so long time..

Diclotican

Sorry my bad English, not my native language
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Feb-28-08 11:28 PM
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60. Didn't one of the original heads of the GAO resign in protest over other issues?
Edited on Thu Feb-28-08 11:28 PM by defendandprotect
Where there's smoke there's fire . . . and there's a terrific amount of smoke coming out of this
Bush/Cheney administration ----

This is outrageous and there should be an immediate legal response --- !!!


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nam78_two (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Feb-28-08 11:31 PM
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61. I am SO sick of these people
Edited on Thu Feb-28-08 11:33 PM by nam78_two
:wtf:
Can they do this?

K&R too...
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Feb-28-08 11:34 PM
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63. IF they leave town, will they PARDON all of the USDA . . . ????
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Connonym (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Feb-28-08 11:37 PM
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66. This falls under the same type of irony as the govt being exempt from OSHA regulations
I worked for the USPS for 10 years and I can't tell you how many blatant OSHA violations we endured because one government agency doesn't have power over another. In the case of the USPS and OSHA, OSHA guidelines were merely "suggestions" and OSHA had no power to fine or otherwise penalize for not following the rules.
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Mozcram (62 posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Fri Feb-29-08 01:26 AM
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67. HMMMMMM.....
Sounds like they are in major defense mode!
wonder what craziness they've been up to?
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GTurck Donating Member (343 posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Donate to DU! Fri Feb-29-08 09:19 AM
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71. I don't understand...
What is the GAO if not the arm of Congress that investigates all parts of the government for corruption, malfeasance, etc.? When did this cease to be?
I guess nobody in the Executive Branch has to answer to Congress but then maybe Congress doesn't have to fund them either.
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f the letter (392 posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Fri Feb-29-08 09:49 AM
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72. That is a fairly stark admission they are criminals
Trouble.
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Summer93 (439 posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Fri Feb-29-08 10:36 AM
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74. USDA no longer useful to We the People
This is just another nail in the coffin for the people of America. I am more sure than ever to choose to eat a vegan diet. I want to protect myself from the lack of the USDA. It appears both the treatment of beef cattle and the inclusion of sick cattle into the meat going to store and the sell date does not matter at local grocery stores. When meat is going bad on or before the sell date we need to take notice.

My neighbor began last year by raising his on beef. Now he knows first hand what goes into it and how it is taken care of. Smart man!
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Orsino Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Donate to DU! Fri Feb-29-08 10:52 AM
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76. Well, well, well.
Someone touched a nerve.
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81. THey are probably trying to cover up the fact that they have knowingly
let BSE-infected beef enter the human food supply.

Just my humble opinion.
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