Clinton, McCain wins NH primaries, trailed by Obama, Romney

[rayofreason]

Source: AP

CONCORD, N.H. (AP) -- Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton won New Hampshire's Democratic primary Tuesday night in a startling upset, defeating Sen. Barack Obama and resurrecting her bid for the White House. Sen. John McCain powered past his Republican rivals and back into contention for the GOP nomination.

Clinton's victory capped a comeback from last week's third-place finish in the Iowa caucuses and raised the possibility of a long battle for the party nomination between the most viable black candidate in history and the former first lady, who is seeking to become the first woman to occupy the Oval Office.

McCain's triumph scrambled the Republican race as well.

Read more: http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/P/PRIMARY_RDP?SITE...

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Edited by Admin to update story because this is on the home page.

[JoFerret]

1. Hanover result in?

Seems way too close to call. But - got to say....am not a Clinton fan but find myself pleased by the result. Maybe the premature coronation of any candidate was just distasteful. Truth is they are all too good for that.

[nyublue]

4. no, and did you hear Dewey beat Truman?

[Radio_Lady]

9. Neither college towns have reported, according to CNN.

I forgot my geography, sorry.

Hanover/Dartmouth and Durham/ is that Univ. of NH????

[matt819]

14. Exactly

Dartmouth (Hanover) and the Upper Valley will vote Obama. Durham is home to UNH and, subject to the extent of student voting, will likely vote Obama.

[rayofreason]

15. Hanover is Dartmouth.

Durham is UNH.

But with 72% reporting at 10:47, Hillary leads 39% to 36%. I don't see how Obama come back. In fact, he is conceding right now.

[last_texas_dem]

138. I feel the same way

I am slightly more of an Obama fan than a Clinton fan, but I was glad to see Clinton's victory; I'd rather an at least somewhat competitive series of primaries than a coronation. I didn't like it when the conventional wisdom, for several months before the first primary/caucus, was that Clinton was "inevitable" and it got on my nerves just as much, over the past few days, when people were already talking like an Obama nomination was an inevitability.

[peabody71]

160. STOLEN!!

Tim Russert just agreed with Brokaw and Matthews, that "this was the most stunning upset in the history of politics."

[OKthatsIT]

167. Exit Polls do NOT equal results...FRAUD is SHOWING AGAIN

Bev Harris (BLACK BOX VOTING) has announced that smaller townships, with considerable smaller voting numbers and where discrepancies are likely to be more apparent, are experiencing voter disenfranhisement.

Some Kucinich and Ron Paul votes were never counted. Voters complained their votes were not in the total figures...this showd up whn tonship tallies came up ZERO for Kucinich and/or Ron Paul.

[bluestateguy]

2. The race is still too close to call

I don't give a damn what the Georgetown Cocktail party crowd says.

[Born Free]

107. Teaching the People to trust the machines, not the POLLS

At one time, the polls were pretty close to being accurate, but these days they continue to show us the voting machines can and will produce results far different than the polls suggest. It's a type of mental conditioning all Americans are currently receiving, never-ever trust the opinion polls, trust the machines. Everyone needs to be prepared to accept results that are far different than even exit polls may suggest. Oh yeah, be prepared for "Dewey vs Truman" statements any time someone suggest there may be more to the huge discrepancies than meets the eye. or better yet, being told to get out the tin foil hat. Ten points difference, no problem, 15 points difference, no problem; anything can happen and we all must trust the machines. No paper trails, no recounts just trust the system.

[onehandle]

3. Clinton wins NH

Source: AP

CONCORD, N.H. - Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton won New Hampshire's Democratic primary Tuesday night in a startling upset, defeating Sen. Barack Obama and resurrecting her bid for White House.

Read more: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/primary_rdp

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Congrats to Hillary and her supporters!

[onehandle]

5. Congrats to Hillary and her supporters! nt

[Radio_Lady]

10. Polls just a few hours ago showed a 10 point lead for Obama!

[rayofreason]

31. The polls were wrong.

Don't trust them. They can be manipulated. Also, a very large number decided who to vote for in the last 24 hrs. Polls don't capture that.

[Radio_Lady]

40. Yes, I know. You're talking to the choir... a 68 year old woman who is dry behind the (y)ears!

[Bretttido]

6. If Edwards decides to stay in the race...

He will become the new Ralph Nader... diluting the progressive vote.

[JoFerret]

8. Who is the progressive here then?

Neither Obama nor Clinton imo.
You must mean Kucinich.

[McCamy Taylor]

12. Don't even go there. Edwards is Edwards. Everyone else is 2nd best.

If we had nominated Edwards in 2004, we would be out of Iraq now.

[Radio_Lady]

43. Well, you may be right about that, but it looks as if many people don't agree with you.

[frogcycle]

21. clearly he should go skulk in a corner

and stop interfering with the coronation
damn, every time I start to warm a little bit to Obama one of his supporters pipes up.

Maybe OBAMA is THE new Ralph Nader. maybe if he would go skulk in a corner we could have a progressive candidate who would win and do what he says

or maybe the process should be allowed to go past two small states and let people cast a fucking VOTE without the Obama Greek Chorus chanting "shame, shame"

[yardwork]

141. Obama's team definitely needs to work on the p.r. skills of his supporters.

I have to say, many of the Obama supporters on this board at least are some of the rudest posters I've seen.

[rhett o rick]

24. What?? Edwards is the progressive. nm

[last_texas_dem]

140. I don't believe the evidence supports that

I am a liberal who supports Edwards, but the exit (or was it "entrance"?) polls in IA indicated that his supporters spanned the ideological spectrum. I believe he actually carried the votes of the conservative Democrats attending the caucus. I haven't seen strong evidence that Edwards dropping out would give any sort of strong boost to Obama.

[Heywood J]

159. What an asshole.

Ditto on the comment that anytime Obama seems electable, his supporters always come out like assholes to balance it out.

[Radio_Lady]

7. AP cites win; so does MSNBC (from another thread). CNN holds back.

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/P/PRIMARY_RDP?SITE...

[Frisbee]

28. But...

What is Fox saying?

[merwin]

47. FOX declares Bush the winner

[Radio_Lady]

55. ROFL. Tell me you're NOT watching FOX... really!

[Frisbee]

156. I have Fox Noise ...

Blocked from the channel line-up on my Tivo. I couldn't watch it if I wanted to without a bit of work (not that I'd ever want to). Occasionally, my Tivo would record something on Fox on it's own, and I didn't want to give them the benefit of even one additional viewer for their ratings, so I just removed them altogether. That's what I think of Fox.

[matt819]

11. Hogwash

More than 215,000 votes to be counted (both D & R), and decidedly Obama towns - the Upper Valley, for example - have yet to show results.

So far the difference between Obama and Clinton is accounted for largely by two towns - Manchester and Nashua, with Obama winning just about everywhere else or running pretty much even.

So this report is utter nonsense, at least coming as it does with only 65% of the votes reported.

Obama will win or will be neck and neck with Clinton, and his support will be demonstrably broader than that of Clinton. On top of that, when Edwards and ther others drop out, as will be inevitable, IMHO, their supporters are not shifting to Clinton but to Obama. Of course, that means nothing in the primary, but the point is that this is not Clinton territory except in a couple of cities.

[JoFerret]

19. Whatever the eventual vote count

...a great night for Clinton. And well deserved.

[petersjo02]

13. I'm an Edwards supporter, but

after all the media crap Hillary has endured (e.g., Chris Matthews), I say you go, Girl. Get some sleep tonight.

[rhett o rick]

25. Bull puckey. Hil gets lots of media attention. Edwards is totally ignored. nm

[emilyg]

77. Thank you.

[Ronnie]

146. Ditto

...

[kimsterdemster]

16. great..

love the change:

bush clinton bush clinton

[rayofreason]

17. Obama is conceding now.

Live at 10:49.

Good speech so far.

[Up2Late]

39. Conceding??? IT'S JUST ONE PRIMARY IN A TINY STATE!!!

Get a Grip! Conceding.

Btw, I'm a long time Hillery supporter, so IN YOU FACE ALL OF YOU Obama people who couldn't keep from bragging last week!

[Mistwell]

44. Calm Down Beavis

All he meant was conceding this state primary, not the election

[rayofreason]

49. Conceding NH

But nothing else.

And I think you knew that. And also, after Iowa, I always posted to the effect "Don't count her out".

[kelvinyany]

18. Hillary! Hillary! Hillary! Hillary! Hillary!

I am so proud of her.

Hillary! Hillary! Hillary! Hillary! Hillary!

[Radio_Lady]

72. You know what? I'm proud of all of the Democrats. Remember?

"ANYBODY BUT BUSH... OR ANY REPUBLICANS"



THIS IS ABOUT NARROWING THE FIELD TO A TWO-PERSON TICKET...



THIS IS ABOUT NARROWING THE FIELD TO A TWO-PERSON TICKET...

[sushi]

79. If I could vote

I'd vote for Hillary! As a woman, I would like to see a woman in the WH.

[Radio_Lady]

149. At 68 years of age, I'd like to see BOTH a woman and a black man in the WH.

Anybody else thinking of a Hillary/Obama ticket? It could happen.

But happened to the old chestnut: "Age before beauty"? Think I'll leave that before opening any other doors.

[Voltaire99]

20. I won't congratulate her, as I won't vote for her.

I'm not terribly surprised her Bush-lite message appeals to NH -- it's the eastern seaboard, technocratic and monied, with a long Republican history that has been courted assiduously by the slimy DINOs. That Obama polled well there is a statement about his corporate-safe status as much as Hillary's vulnerability. Edwards' populism doesn't play in an area that knows it will have to foot the bill for reform (and rightly so).

Enjoy it while you can, Hillary. If it comes down to the convention, the party will be given a choice by progressives: abandon this regressive politics or we leave you to curdle in it alone.

[Radio_Lady]

53. We'll see, Voltaire99. Polish up your crystal ball... I think you'll need it.

Please tell me you won't vote Republican in November.

Just stay home.... unless you can support the eventual Democratic ticket.

In peace,

Radio Lady Ellen in Oregon

[ekwhite]

130. There are other parties on the ballot, Ellen

I will probably vote Green rather than vote for Hillary. I can't stomach her votes for Iraq and her inability to say that her Iraq vote was a mistake. I would rather vote for a true progressive rather than be sucked into another false choice.

[yardwork]

142. This is Democratic Underground. One of the rules is that we support Democrats.

If you advocate for a third party candidate over a Democrat, you will not be allowed to post here. Those are the rules.

[NBachers]

91. Nice Condescending Post

Snidely McSneery

And would you have described the NH population the same way if Obama or Edwards had won?

I thought not.

[The Backlash Cometh]

22. I think that McCain and Clinton won, says a lot about that state.

[JoFerret]

109. Working class vote

...seems Hillary won that. Affluent middle class vote - seems Obama did.
Says a lot about NH.
But WHAT exactly?

(Happy for Hillary. Maybe this process will have an interesting effect.)

[The Backlash Cometh]

123. If you appraisal is correct, then I would say that would explain, a lot.

[connecticut yankee]

23. HEY!!!

These are only two small states. There are forty-eight others.

Super Tuesday is in a month!

Don't count your chickens -- so much more can happen until the Convention.

I don't know why everyone is so excited.

[rayofreason]

27. I agree...

...Feb 5 is the big day.

But if Hillary had been smashed with the double-digit lead for Obama some had proposed, she would be dead in the water. All the money and endorsement would flow to Obama. Now people will not be so sure.

[fearlessrick]

34. Another stolen election

I can't believe nobody has mentioned how we all went to bed last night with all the polls giving Obama a 10-point lead. NH uses all proprietary software (see BradBlog for more on that) and Diebold DREs.

We've just witnessed another stolen election. Obama should have won easily, but the difference between him and Hillary for the Republicans is simple. Hillary can be beaten. Obama would probably have to be... eliminated.

Pay attention, people. These votes are all rigged and we'll never get our democracy back until we get rid of the machines.

[rayofreason]

35. What bullshit, spreading FUD

Is that the sound of tinfoil being shaped into a hat I hear?

[mojowork_n]

48. Not necessarily, I had the same thought and posted down-thread n/t

[Mistwell]

37. I disagree

I disagree, and think it's a tad insulting to all the Clinton voters who voted today. NH had an 80% turn-out, which is unprecedented and not contemplated in any way by the polling companies. That fact completely wipes out polling data handily.

[pnwmom]

76. Those polls had all been conducted before the "Hillary cries" MSM assault.

I bet that a lot of fence sitters -- female ones -- decided in her favor during the last twenty four hours.

EXIT polls are historically extremely accurate. Other polls are less reliable when predicting behavior, because voters can change their minds up till the time they're in the booth.

And some new or independent or otherwise "soft" voters may not even have made it to the booth. Maybe there was some over-confidence in the Obama campaign.

[BleedingHeartPatriot]

132. I know in my own anecdotal way I was ready to vote for her to

piss off the Chris Matthews of the world. Even though I'm rooting for Edwards, as I've said over and over, we women know, at a visceral level, the unbelievable level of BS crap she is having to endure for being a female in the man's world of national politics.

And, when the predominantly male pundits started piling on, I can completely understand, as a woman, going into the booth and saying to myself, screw the good old boys, in a manner of speaking , I'm voting for her.

Mi dos centavos.

MKJ

[JoFerret]

170. Dead right with the sexist crap

Obama will get lots of comparable stuff.

I think it was an op-ed by Gloria Steinhem in this week's NYTimes that focussed on the sex versus race as a factor in this stuff. Worth a read. Asked the question: would a female Obama be making it as big?

[Patriot Abroad]

98. er, welcome to DU!

and you might enjoy spending some time on whatreallyhappened.com, where everything is a conspiracy . . .

I hope and pray that the democratic process has not been subverted so much that the New Hampshire primary is manipulated . . .

[karlrschneider]

102. It is my unfortunate duty to point out that you are full of shit.

...

[anniebelle]

108. When I went to bed there was a 4 point lead.

Sounds like you stumbled off the Joe Scarborough "idiot" train. The pundits of this country turned that Obama lead around with all their vitriol against the Clintons. I'm an Edwards supporter myself, but I was feeling the urge to get on Hillary's bandwagon.

[JoFerret]

110. No evidence for that. None

This was a very fluid situation with lots changing.
Maybe people made their minds up when they actually had to face the final moment. Happens. Am sure loads of women gave a second thought right at voting moment and said - Hillary. This time around at least. She had the crap yesterday and all the sneering about being emotional in public. Maybe many people said - hey, she needs a break right now.

Exit and entry polls would be a more reliable judge that polls taken days or even hours before.
So - we know we need to watch election fraud, voter suppression and machine malfunction and tampering BUT - paranoia and cynicism do not help.

[leftynyc]

124. Unless you have some proof, I

suggest you just keep quiet. I can't believe your first post was for this.

[jmondine]

67. Exactly

Don't count your chickens until the eggs are in one basket.
Or... something like that.

[rhett o rick]

26. Once again the progressives are ignored. Here we go, status quo forever. nm

[Cant trust em]

30. Don't despair

Clinton only won by 3%. Unless you were rooting for Edwards who got summarily trounced.

[rhett o rick]

33. I was rooting for the progressive, you should know who that is. nm

[merwin]

92. Kucinich?

[rhett o rick]

136. I was referring to Edwards. He is a top runner but the corp media is ignoring him

The corp media likes Obama and Clinton, sort of scary if you ask me. DK is my first choice and Edwards second.

peace

[Cant trust em]

29. Wow.

This primary season is a wha? wrapped in a who'da thunk it tucked inside a never woulda guessed it.

[Mistwell]

32. Indeed WOW

I am shocked. Obama went in 9 points ahead, and came out 3-4 points down. That's a 12-13 point mistake in the polling!

[Cant trust em]

61. Are you ready for me to tell you something you already knew?

Pollsters don't know shit.

[mojowork_n]

36. WTF?

Could this have been a bait and switch?

All the cable news channels had Barack up by a lot, in non-stop coverage all day, featuring poll result after poll result.

Encouraging "independent voters" to wander over to the Republican primary?

In 2000, Bill Bradley "lost" to John McCain, because of the same phenomenon, people wandering over to the Other Party, trying to make their voices heard in the most effective way.

[Mistwell]

41. Not bait and switch just wrong polls

Nope. There were FEWER Republican voters than predicted, and MORE Democratic voters than predicted. So that's not it.

The polls were wrong because turn-out was 80%, which is unprecedented and completely negates all polling data because they didn't account for it. The polls were looking at likely voters only, which is people who voted in the prior election or prior two elections. But that turns out to be not a representative sample when you have turn-out in these numbers.

[mojowork_n]

105. So ALL the polls were off? Nothing to see here? (Move along.)

It can't believe that it's not still extremely suspicious.

If any likely voter had turned into the cable news channels before going to cast a ballot, they would have seen data that showed the election was already decided -- with an Obama win. It was the top story of the day, and repeated over and over again. (With, admittedly, some curious variations in the predicted margin of victory.)

Under those circumstances, why not cast a ballot for the slightly less repulsive Republican candidate?

[Stewie]

139. Yes, ALL the polls were off.

They all use the same sampling models and methodology. When that's flawed, they're all off much like if some factory makes busted engines ALL the cars will break down.

New Hampshire voters like to be contrarian. Perhaps they decided they were being TOLD they must vote Obama by the MSM and felt insulted.

[JoFerret]

112. Wow! 80%

Best news of all.
There is hope.

[JoFerret]

111. This level of cynicism and conspiracy

would be funny if it weren't so destructive.

[Dover]

38. Interesting that on Charlie Rose, guest Bill Clinton, when asked who he saw

being strong on the Republican side, said he thought McCain would do well. Charlie nearly fell off the chair and kind of shook his head like..."huh?!". But he didn't pursue it. This was a few weeks ago and Bill was on promoting his book and his wife.

[Radio_Lady]

42. What did that show air? I didn't see it... maybe I'll find it on www.opb.org

Thanks for the information.

[Dover]

45. Don't recall exactly...maybe two or three weeks ago?

He was promoting his book and discussing his wife, politics, etc.

[Radio_Lady]

50. Thanks. I found it at www.charlierose.com

12/14/07

www.charlierose.com

Thanks so much.

[Dover]

60. Oh great. I was just about to post this link to the archived page:

http://www.charlierose.com/search?q=bill+clinton&search...

The comment was toward the end of the interview.

[Up2Late]

46. BOOYA! IN YOUR FACE All you Obama people who couldn't keep from bragging last week!!!

OooooW! It Burns, doesn't it!

[JimGinPA]

51. If Hillary Gets The Nomination Now...

We'll have at least four more years of a Republican President.

[rhett o rick]

52. Sen Clinton is my last choice, but I still think your post is irresponsible. If she wins the

nomination, we will alllll work for her in spite of what I might have said in previous posts.

[JimGinPA]

56. Regardless of what you think

There is no way she can win a general election. This is a sad day for all progressive thinkers.

[Eric J in MN]

68. Yes, she can.

People know the economy was better under Bill Clinton than under George W. Bush.

I'm a Kucinich supporter, but Hillary Clinton can win if she's our nominee.

[Cardboardurinal]

94. Clinton...

meaning Bill in this case did not do much for the economy. He came in at the most convenient time to look good on the economy. He came in when he was able to downsize the military and the internet bubble brought a lot of revenue into the country...I don't see where Bill had much to do with economic prosperity given the way the 90s worked out. In fact, I believe that Bill is part of why the Bush economy is so bad...I am not saying that Bush isn't mostly to blame. I am saying that Clinton's deregulation of industry and his endorsement of free trade impacted the economy negatively that had a delayed effect.
So please stop praising Clinton for having done the things that made the 90s "prosperous," because he didn't actually do much!

[JoFerret]

116. LOL. Funniest post of the day.

.

[ExPatLeftist]

127. Prove it.

"...And I know it is true cuz Rush told me so."

Funny how people making this argument will then often turn around and explain why Bush IS to thank for the "great economy" under his reign...

And don't forget...
Clinton was to blame for the 9/11 attacks (which occurred almost 8 months after he left the presidency)
Clinton was also to blame for the first WTC attacks (which occurred about a month after he became president)

Eat the cake or keep it. Can't do both.

If only logical fallacies were dollars... (Well, I guess they are to the likes of Fox News...)

[The_Counsel]

145. RE: Clinton...

"So please stop praising Clinton for having done the things that made the 90s "prosperous," because he didn't actually do much!"

Riiiiight...

...as soon as you stop giving Ronald Reagan credit for the collapse of the Soviet Union and the end of the Cold War.

[JoFerret]

114. Go drown your sorrows in cynicism and despair.

...And leave the rest of us alone.

[Name removed]

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[rhett o rick]

62. Hi radio_lady. I must agree with you. One thing about Democrats, we fight a lot among ourselves

but when the chips are down, we will fight together against tyranny and the gullible republicans.

ps: I was raised in Portland and went to college in Corvallis. Go Bevs.

[Radio_Lady]

69. The Republicans are our opponents, but it will be a trek to get to November.

We are transplanted Portlanders. We arrived here bag and baggage from Boston, Massachusetts in 1998. It's the state where my husband was born. I had moved to Boston from Miami, Florida in 1972 -- had lived there off and on since I was born in PA.

We love Portland, which is truly a COMPROMISE for us. We spent more than 50 years on the East Coast, so it was a BIG CHANGE and I still miss New England.

In our family: Wife loves cold weather; husband loves warm weather, and so do daughter and her husband. Go figure... The vote was 3 to 1...

We had just a few choices in the West, because hubby and son-in-law are both software engineers. Silicon Valley was out (too hot in summer for me), so we concentrated on the Pacific Northwest.

It was either Seattle or Portland, and Portland won when both guys got jobs here.

We are now retired and travel to warmer places in the wintertime (AZ, CA, HI, NV, FL mostly) as members of the Hilton Grand Vacation Club timeshare group.

In peace,

Radio Lady

[rhett o rick]

71. Portland is a great town. We live closer to Seattle though. nm

[Radio_Lady]

73. Husband had a contract software job in Milton, Washington in 2000.

That's south of Federal Way, WA.

We rented a cute little one bedroom apartment, lived there four days a week and went back to Oregon for a three-day weekend. It was fun to live in that area from August 31 to December 31 of that year. Husband then took a job in Vancouver, Washington, which lasted from January to August 2001, before the company went bankrupt! He was forced to retire that year and I had no real prospects for full time work, so I retired too. Since then, we've been volunteering, traveling, and spending time with our grandkids.

We love Seattle and go there any time we can.

In peace,

Radio Lady

[JoFerret]

113. You wish maybe?

It ain't so. Even though the gender barrier is a very tough one.
But you know - women are here to stay. Get over it.

[Name removed]

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[Radio_Lady]

58. Boy, that's a positive post. Tell me, Scarface 2004, who DO you support in this election?

Thank you for letting us know.

Sincerely,

Radio Lady in Oregon

[Name removed]

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[Binka]

59. My Ex Is From NH And He Is The Biggest Asshole On Earth..A Narcissistic Shit Bag

That is all I know of the granite state. My opinion of the state is most definitely skewed. It spawned fuck dog the home wrecker. The voters must all be his relatives.

[olddad56]

66. So.. why would you marry A Narcissistic Shit Bag?

especially if He Is The Biggest Asshole On Earth. What were you thinking?

[Binka]

74. I Never Married Him

And by the way thanks for the nasty response. He seemed perfectly wonderful in the beginning, and I am not a kid I was a 40 year old woman when I met him. I found out he was still married the week I found out I was pregnant with our child. He was a master manipulator and con artist. If you ever have the groovy chance to meet someone like him I hope she kicks you in the balls and takes all your money. What a fucking ignorant thing to say to someone who has been abused and fucked over by an absolute lying asshole. Ignore for you dip shit.

[Radio_Lady]

81. Binka, I feel sorry for your situation, but is it fair to judge a WHOLE state from one person?

My ex-husband is dead, and he acted like an asshole with me for most of the years we were divorced.

But he lived in the beautiful state of Vermont with his wife (my kids' stepmother) and our two kids for several years. Although it was painful, I did my best to see them in their home and school as much as I could. But I didn't dump on the whole state of Vermont just for that! That is just totally illogical.

[Binka]

83. Jesus People I Said My Views Were Skewed

And I put the evil grin on my post. I do not hold the entire state of NH responsible for this. JESUS. Get a grip.

[Radio_Lady]

87. No worries. Sorry. I didn't notice the EVIL GRIN. Maybe it should have this one:

In peace,

Radio Lady Ellen in Oregon

[JoFerret]

119. Ridiculous

.

[reggie the dog]

101. NH is beautiful

the mountains, the quaint small towns, the woods, the farms, and a few beaches as well. I met lots of nice people while on vacation there.

[JoFerret]

117. Thank you for your thoughtful pov

NH has done us all a favor.
Too bad they didn't give Edwards a bigger nod but interestingly it seems the working class vote went for Hillary.

[robcon]

63. Great news. It'll be an exciting time until Super Tuesday.

A great month ahead, as the Obama/Clinton dog fight will be very entertaining. Either person will make a great president.

[JimGinPA]

64. I couldn't disagree more

I just don't see Obama playing dirty enough (like the Clinton machine will for sure now) to come back from this. He'll just be a footnote in the story of how the Democrats lost another presidential race.

[Radio_Lady]

75. I find your posts disruptive and disagreeable. Who DO you support?

See my previous post about you upthread.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

Please provide some sort of positive input.

FYI, I'll be thrilled to find out that you really feel as if you belong at the DEMOCRATIC Underground.

Thank you,

Radio Lady Ellen in Oregon

[JimGinPA]

84. I Would Have Supported Obama

But, I live in one of the reddest counties of Pennsylvania. Our Primary is April 22 - by which time this will all have been decided. I have been a volunteer for our sad little Democratic Committee since Gore had the election stolen from him. When Hillary becomes the party choice next month, I will no longer do so.

[Radio_Lady]

88. Well, sorry you feel that way. Our primary is a mail in vote in May 2008.

I don't know what you have against Hillary, but certainly unless Barack Obama withdraws from the race, you can still vote for him. He is a young man and he can be encouraged by votes like yours. Remember -- these are just TWO SMALL STATES that have voted so far. This has to progress to a later point before we can put a ribbon on it, don't you think?

I share your consternation about not being in a state where a vote counts at primary season.

Just as a reference, how would you feel about a Clinton/Obama ticket? How about Obama/Clinton?

Stranger things have happened!

In peace,

Radio Lady Ellen

A Pittsburgh, PA native (at least until age three!)

[Apollo11]

100. We should all support the nominee.

Let's get some perspective here.

After the Convention, everyone needs to get behind the nominee, whoever it is.

We don't need 4 to 8 years of Huckabee or McCain or Romney or Giuliani.

If Obama doesn't win the nomination in 2008 maybe he will get it in 2016.

[Radio_Lady]

150. Hear ye. Hear ye. "If Obama doesn't win the nomination in 2008 maybe he will get it in 2016."

Agree.

[Venceremos]

80. Obama plays dirty, too...

Obama played pretty dirty when running for the US Senate here in Illinois, albeit he did it from "behind the scenes" so alot of people were unaware of it. That aside, I'm doubtful that he can hold up under either the Clinton or Repub attack machines.

And since we're apparently required to state our candidate affiliation in this thread - I'm behind Hillary all the way. She is capable of holding up under the Repub attack machine as she's already been through the fire.

[JimGinPA]

85. Against Keyes????

laughable

[Venceremos]

86. You apparently have limited knowledge of IL politics....

I meant Obama played dirty against Blair Hull in the Dem primary and Jack Ryan in the general. The Chicago Tribune just happened to dig up dirt on both candidates messy divorces when they were running against Obama. The Obama campaign “worked aggressively behind the scenes” to get the stories out and it destroyed both opponents campaigns. At least one of the Trib reporters admitted the Obama camp was involved after the election was over (and after Obama repeatedly claimed to have run a clean campaign).

And for reference, Blair Hull was beating Obama in the primary before Hull's divorce problems went public. Jack Ryan was Obama's original Republican opponent. At the Obama camps urging, The Trib forced open Ryan's very messy divorce files -- it eventually led to Ryan having to drop out of the race in disgrace. Then the national Repub party brought in Alan Keyes as a replacement - no need to play dirty against that pathetic joke.

[Radio_Lady]

89. What does it do to show IL(L) will to another Democrat with a put-down?

I know more about Oregon and Massachusets politics than you do! What exactly is your point? You don't like Obama? Fine. Who do you support based on your background?



Politics makes strange bedfellows (and we better include other genders and races now). All candidates will have to be prepared to have the skeletons in their closet examined and exposed.



We are trying to achieve civility and consensus in this process. Thank you.

Radio Lady in Oregon

[Venceremos]

90. Take a pill...

And if you bothered to read my posts...I support Hillary.

[Radio_Lady]

148. What? I'm only reacting to your general negativity about these candidates.

I rest my case.

I'm not going to continue to search your posts for hints of your "fairness" --

Sincerely,

Radio Lady in Oregon

[nevergiveup]

115. Like the Trib needed the Obama camp

to urge the investigation of Ryan's "very messy divorce files"? Gimme a break.

[pink-o]

144. That would be the Jack Ryan

who was married to Jeri Ryan? (She of Voyager/Boston Public/Shark fame). I remember those divorce files: he forced her to go to sex clubs and engage in demeaning acts, et al. The reason it was so sensational is because Ryan was a typical weasel, running on "family values" platform, only to be exposed for the classic Repig hypocrisy he was harbouring.

If Obama's camp forced those files open, they did the Illinois voters a huge favour! Ryan was a sanctimonious hypocrite right up there with Vitter, Foley and Craig

[JoFerret]

121. He'll do so well against the GOP then right?

nonsense anyway.

[AnnieBW]

65. NOW it's a race!

I'm sick of hearing the "Hillary is in trouble" shit. The M$M is just DYING to tear her down.

[LeFleur1]

70. The MSM...

...still won't admit they don't have ESP. They are sitting around saying, "Wha Happen?"
Here's what happened. YOU DON'T HAVE ESP.

[Radio_Lady]

78. LOL. The mainstream media are eating crow tonight.

About time they got a comeuppance.

Luckily, I'm among mostly Democrats when I volunteer in radio.

[ekwhite]

131. I'll agree with you on that one

I'm tired of the MSM anointing our chosen candidate before the voting even begins. So far, we have had two contests. Obama won the first, Clinton won the second. There are 48 more states, including my home state of California, left to go.


PS: I'm an Edwards supporter.