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mcscajun Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 06:50 PM
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NJ Nears Undermining Electoral College
Source: AP via NYT

TRENTON, N.J. (AP) -- New Jersey is close to entering a compact that would eliminate the power of the Electoral College to choose a president if enough states endorse the idea.

The state Senate voted Thursday to approve delivering the state's 15 electoral votes for president to the winner of the national popular vote. The Assembly approved the measure in December and needs Gov. Jon S. Corzine's signature to become law.

''The bill is subject to a thorough review, but Gov. Corzine has long been a supporter of this concept,'' Corzine spokesman Jim Gardner said.

The measure could result in the electoral votes going to a candidate opposed by voters in New Jersey, which has backed Democratic presidential candidates since 1988.

The compact would take effect only if enough states -- those with a majority of votes in the Electoral College -- agreed to it. A candidate needs 270 of 538 electoral votes to win.

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Read more: http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/us/AP-Popular-Vote.html



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Mojambo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 06:56 PM
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1. I like this idea as long as it is done in concert with a majority of other states. n/t
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mcscajun Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 06:59 PM
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2. As crafted, it won't need a majority of states, just the states holding the majority of EVs
(Electoral Votes).

Not the same thing.
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TreasonousBastard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 07:02 PM
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3. It's an intriguing idea, but...
if one party had a majority of votes but the electors went to the other guy, there would be some very pissed off people in that state.

This could mean thousands of local recounts to see just WHO has the most popular votes.

Sounds like a bit of a mess to me-- I'd rather see the electors split along the popular vote, if anything.
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mcscajun Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 07:07 PM
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4. The compact, if it comes about, will deliver all electors to the winner of the national popular vote
Edited on Thu Jan-03-08 07:07 PM by mcscajun
regardless of state results.

The article poses that very issue; that the national popular vote might go one way, and NJ's popular vote might have gone another, yet under the compact, NJ's electoral would go to the candidate who got the popular vote nationwide.

Anything else wouldn't "break the back" of the Electoral College and eliminate its stranglehold on Presidential elections.

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msongs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 07:08 PM
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5. only if ALL states do it - amendment to the US constitution req'd probably nt
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mcscajun Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 07:11 PM
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6. Nope. That's the entire point; to get around the need for a Constitutional Amendment.
Edited on Thu Jan-03-08 07:13 PM by mcscajun
Of course, the US Supreme Court could nullify the compact if it were challenged (and I'd imagine there would be several challenges; first one from the Republican Party, which generally opposes this idea.)

If the states holding a majority of the Electoral College votes agree to this compact, they deliver their votes as agreed: done deal within the framework of the Electoral College. Nothing gets disbanded, the rules have just been Bent, not broken.

Again, the USSC may have other ideas.

More here: http://www.nationalpopularvote.com/pages/explanation.ph...
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Selatius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 09:36 PM
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11. It'll never become a constitutional amendment; it gives disproportionate power to small states.
They will effectively veto any such attempt. This scheme was envisioned as a way to effectively render the amendment process, as far as this case goes, irrelevant as well as the Electoral College.
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wiley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 07:51 PM
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7. Go Jersey!
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 08:01 PM
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8. Damn, when did New Jersey become the cool state?
:shrug:
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mcscajun Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 08:13 PM
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10. Hmmm...let's see, now...
I moved there in 1989?

:rofl:
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customerserviceguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 09:50 PM
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12. Why does this make Jersey "cool"?
If a Democrat wins the popular vote, NJ already goes along with that, check the history of the last dozen or so Presidential elections. However, if a Rethug wins in flyover country, then one coastal state gives its votes to whoever the hicks in the sticks pick. It might even be Pukeabee.


Now, if we can get the people in UTAH to go along with this, great.

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jaybeat Donating Member (729 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 10:13 PM
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13. But the "flyover" states will never be enough to win the popular vote
So this would prevent someone from winning by, say, combining the middle of the country with the South. (Basically the Republican strategy since Nixon, no?)

You're right, NJ won't gain anything, but if a majority of EC votes go along, it would mute an outlier like, say, Ohio (or Florida 2000???!!!) from overturning the popular vote.
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smokey nj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 10:17 PM
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14. We've always been cool, man! We just like to keep it a secret.
If it gets out, too many people might want to come here and it's hard enough finding a parking space as it is.
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The Wizard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-03-08 08:11 PM
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9. It doesn't matter
The voting machines are still shit.
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