Paying to preserve rain forest will help poor, UN climate talks told

[hedgetrimmer]

Source: scotsman.com

ADHITYANI ARGA
IN NUSA DUA, INDONESIA

INDONESIA'S Papua region is willing to preserve part of its rain forest, in exchange for money, to help the world slow global warming, its governor said at United Nations' climate talks.

Deforestation accounts for about 20 per cent of all man-made carbon emissions blamed for global warming.

Stopping or curbing the destruction is widely regarded as a crucial part of any new climate pact to succeed the UN's Kyoto Protocol beyond 2012.

Papua's governor, Barnabas Suebu, said during talks in Bali that the remote forest-rich province on the Indonesian half of Guinea island was offering to preserve more than 17 million acres - an area almost the size of Cyprus.




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It can be lucrative to be green. Help the world, save the forests and pay the poor.

[greyl]

1. It's not just rain forest; let's not forget the endangered human cultures involved.

Well, take a look at the map, it is so clear, how the Australian wanted to capture Papua. Well, Sir, isn't that enough for you to get the Aborigin life. If we want to talk about justice or freedom, than free the aborigine, give the land back, and go back to England.

Chapter 1 - "West Papuan's messages to United States" Youtube vid

Indigenous Group: Dani
Location: Indonesia, West Papua Province (Central Irian Jaya province), largely in the southern Baliem Valley
Estimated Population: 250,000
Environment: Tropical highland
Lifestyle: Sedentary
Subsistence: Agriculture
Level of Assimilation: Traditional (a few clans nearly untouched)

Indigenous Group: Moni (also known as: Migani, Djonggunu, Jonggunu)
Location: Indonesia, Papua, Central highlands, 10 to 70 miles northeast of Lake Paniai
Estimated Population: 25,000 (1996, Golden)
Environment: Forested Mountains and Highlands
Lifestyle: Sedentary
Subsistence: Agriculture / Hunter / Gatherer
Level of Assimilation: Fairly Traditional

Indigenous Group: Kombai (also known as: Komboy)
Location: Indonesia, Papua, Southern region, Merauke district, around Boma, bounded by Digul and Kasuari River to the east and the Ndeiram Kabur to the north and west
Estimated Population: 4,000 (1994, De Vries)
Environment: Tropical, Swamp, Lowlands, Jungle
Lifestyle: Semi-Nomadic
Subsistence: Hunter / Gatherer / Agriculture
Level of Assimilation: Traditional

Indigenous Group: Ketengban (also known as: Kupel, Oktengban)
Location: Indonesia, Papua, Eastern region, Jayawijaya district, bounded on the east by Apmisibil and on the west by Eipomek
Estimated Population: 9,968 (2000, SIL International)
Environment: Tropical Forest and Highlands
Lifestyle: Sedentary
Subsistence: Agriculture / Hunter / Gatherer / Animal Husbandry
Level of Assimilation: Fairly Traditional

Indigenous Group: Wandamen (Also known as: Wandamen-Windesi, Windesi, Windessi, Bintuni, Bentuni, Bentoeni, Wamesa)
Location: Indonesia, West Papua, Manokwari district, Wasior sub-district, west Cenderawasih Bay along Wandamen Bay extending west to east end of Bintuni Bay
Estimated Population: 500 (1993, SIL International)
Environment: Coastal /Rainforest and /Highlands
Lifestyle: Sedentary
Subsistence: Agriculture / Fishing / Hunter / Gatherer
Level of Assimilation: Fairly Traditional

http://nativeplanet.org/indigenous/indigenous.shtml

The traumatic historical events of the people of Papua are an accumulation of
experiences, which threaten their existence and their right to life as Papuans and as
creatures of God Almighty. Since the agreement between the Netherlands and Indonesia
on the 15th of August 1962, Papuans have never enjoyed their self-respect as
people/human beings equally to other human beings, or as citizens equal to Indonesian
citizens or any other citizens. Up till today, the Papuans are continuously struggling for
recognition of their humanity and their basic rights for which they have paid even with loss of lives.
www.nieuwsbank.nl/papua-lobby/DAP12Aug05.pdf

Indonesian governance of Papua is controversial with international opinion varying a great deal. Some view it as naked colonialism, others maintain that Indonesia represents a legitimate authority with a willing people. Frank expression of views is complicated by the delicate and troubled relationship many nations have with Indonesia.
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In January 2006, 43 refugees landed on the coast of Australia and stated that the Indonesian military is carrying out a genocide in Papua. They were transported to an Australian immigration detention facility on Christmas Island, 360 km south of the western end of Java. On March 23, 2006, the Australian government granted temporary visas to 42 of the 43 asylum seekers. A day later Indonesia recalled its ambassador to Australia.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Papua_(Indonesian_province)

[seriousstan]

2. It can be lucrative for the few. Do you really think this will be given to mom and pop?

A few political or connected will end up like the Saudi sheiks. It can be lucrative all right.

[hedgetrimmer]

3. Optimism or Pessimism

For me Greyl's post is much more upbeat, informative and well more positive. Now, your post tends to lean toward the sour side, it's not informative, and somewhat speculative. The moms and pops will be paid, by being allowed to keep the land they live on with trees, in the least.

[seriousstan]

4. So it is more of a hostage situation. Pay or we throw the indigenous people off their land.

How long before the ransom increases?

[greyl]

5. That angle bothers me, too.

Unless money is paid, Suebu will allow the destruction of 17 million acres without regard to the indigenous people there? I'm not presuming Suebu places any value on them.

Papua's ancient rain forests have recently come under an even greater threat of deforestation after the Chinese government has placed an order of 1 billion US dollar or 800,000 cubic meters of the threatened merbau (intsia spp) rainforest timbers, to be used in constructions for the 2008 Summer Olympics.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Papua_%28Indonesian_province%29

[hedgetrimmer]

6. I don't know, how long before the climate collapses?

I'd prefer to give some $ for a planet then for some lead toys.

[seriousstan]

7. Fine, give me money or I kill the kitten.......I take paypal.

[razzleberry]

8. thrests against the environment. for money, how nice ...

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