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sabra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-04-07 09:39 AM
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Bush still a factor, Rove warns
Source: WashTimes

President Bush, down and all but counted out by friend and foe alike just three months ago, is rising like a bloodied but unbowed prizefighter, and Karl Rove predicts peril for Republicans and their presidential nominee if they shun the lame-duck president on the campaign trail.

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"Nobody can risk looking disrespectful to the president without paying a price, and they need to understand that," said Mr. Rove, Mr. Bush's former top political adviser.

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"If the Democrats make this about, as they seem to be inclined to do, 'I'm not Bush, and I'll do everything different than Bush did,' the American people understand that Bush is not on the ballot," he said.

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Mr. Rove said the president just received the best possible gift from the House's most vocal war critic, Rep. John P. Murtha, who just returned from a trip to Iraq and stated flatly: "The surge is working."

"It was a remarkable moment last week when Jack Murtha, who said the war is lost, the surge won't work, comes back and says the surge is working. You know that there's real progress on the ground when the most ardent, acerbic critic of the president's policy says in essence, 'I was wrong,' " Mr. Rove said.

Read more: http://www.washingtontimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AI...



:rofl:
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PATRICK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-04-07 09:41 AM
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1. LOL
* looks like a weepy loser that needs a drink.
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PATRICK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-04-07 09:42 AM
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2. LOL to the nth
BA reporter has actually ASKED Bush about his crushed mood!!!

Oh this is a classic. A breakdown over his failure not a tear for the troops?
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PATRICK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-04-07 09:45 AM
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4. Sweet lord of mercy
Edited on Tue Dec-04-07 09:45 AM by PATRICK
He slurs his way to a purse lipped close. Hankies awaiting in the wings. Who will give this man a big hug?

Jeff, he needs you.
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bif Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-04-07 09:44 AM
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3. Bush is still dangerous, Rove warns.
Is more like it.
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Whoa_Nelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-04-07 09:46 AM
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5. Why be respectful toward a pResident who is continually disrespectful of our nation's people
Edited on Tue Dec-04-07 09:47 AM by Whoa_Nelly
our Constitution, our laws, our money, our environment, our money, our health, our....damn the list is long, but you get the point.
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MotorCityMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-04-07 05:08 PM
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24. Ummm, sorry, Karl, respect must be earned
not automatically bestowed on *. I can't think of one thing he has done that is worthy of respect.

And, incidentally, I don't recall alot of respect being given to President Clinton.
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yellowcanine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-04-07 09:50 AM
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6. Actually Rove as usual offered his own spin on what Murtha said.
What Murtha said was, "I think the surge is working, but that is only one element."

That is hardly the same as 'stating flatly, "The surge is working."' And Murtha certainly did not state in essence that he was wrong.
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krispos42 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-04-07 09:53 AM
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7. Yeah, well, we're working on fixing that
If you mean "obstructionist asshole" when you say "factor".


Man, George Lakoff has Bush's personality nailed to a T. "Strict father model" to the extreme, all puffed up with moral authority and totally deflated by advanced cluelessness.
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King Coal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-04-07 09:57 AM
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8. Murtha is saying that violence is down.
But, the purpose of the surge was to buy time for the Iraqi government to reach a political solution, and that they have shown no signs of doing. We can't keep the surge up forever and there is no reason to belive that violence won't just go right back up when we draw down troops, which we inevitably have to do. So, in that sense the surge may be working. However the more important question is whether the Iraq strategy in general is working. More Rovian tricks.
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trusty elf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-04-07 10:02 AM
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9. "Nobody can risk looking disrespectful to the president without paying a price."
Edited on Tue Dec-04-07 10:06 AM by tomeboy
Okay, I'll pay the price.



Keep the change.

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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-04-07 11:28 AM
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17. rove actually said that?!!
fucker is threatening us?

I like that coin you've done of the dumbest bush on the land.

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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-04-07 12:13 PM
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19. What world is he living in?
His entire party is trampling each other trying to run away from this disaster
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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-04-07 10:08 AM
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10. Oh SHUT UP!
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Virginia Dare Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-04-07 10:25 AM
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11. Rove: Screw Freedom of Speech...
we'll see how that meme works when and if we have President Hillary Clinton in office Karly-boy.
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Amerigo Vespucci Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-04-07 10:45 AM
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12. "...rising like a bloodied but unbowed prizefighter???"
:spray:
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Writer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-04-07 10:50 AM
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13. This isn't about Bush as much as it's about Rove.
Rove has so much of his ego (and narcissism) wrapped around making Bush look good, that he feels compelled to battle Bush's political irrelevancy at every turn.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-04-07 11:05 AM
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14. what a big baby!
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seafan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-04-07 11:13 AM
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15. Somebody arrest this man.
"Nobody can risk looking disrespectful to the president without paying a price,..." ---Karl Rove, December 4, 2007
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-04-07 11:21 AM
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16. A fucked up factor..
yeah, I'll buy that.
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onehandle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-04-07 11:57 AM
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18. Karl Rove Lives. nt
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truthisfreedom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-04-07 12:14 PM
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20. Hey rove, you're gonna be in contempt of Congress soon...
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BenDavid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-04-07 12:55 PM
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21. Do not chuckle at what Rove said. Just take a look at the
platforms of nearly all the republican candidates and you will see the bush policies all are following and speaking too and addressing. So it is nothing to laugh about. It is something the dem candidates or anyone from the national dem offices need to make folks aware of...

Ben David
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donkeyotay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-04-07 01:20 PM
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22. They're resurrecting their base with this, reclaiming competence and security as GOP turf
A few of the overlooked facts include that the Sunnis had already agreed to work with the US because they were afraid of Iran. Moqtada al-sadr has declared a 6-month stand down, which had nothing to do with the surge. Even more refugees were created as people fled Baghdad ahead of the surge... there are many reasons Iraq looks relatively stable. To attribute it all to the surge does not capture the complexity. And to claim success with the surge suggests that the GOP thinks the progress is permanent, or that it's an opportunity to redeem all of their past failed policies with one shiny new meme. But if the Anbar Awakening tires of their alliance, if Moqtada goes back on the warpath, if the Kurds and Turkey have a go at it, if having Chalabi running the rehabilitation of Baghdad turns out to be a bad choice... will Rove still claim responsibility? Will Snow claim vindication?
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xxqqqzme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-04-07 03:27 PM
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23. Well, well, well
"...'I'm not Bush, and I'll do everything different than Bush did..." Isn't that what HE did when his buddy was installed in the WH? ABC - Anything but Clinton?
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samsingh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-04-07 09:58 PM
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25. ha ha - read between the lines
bush really is a has-been resident that nobody cares about.
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