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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 10:06 AM
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Chinese tiger has nothing in tank
Edited on Wed Nov-28-07 10:06 AM by bemildred
Source: The Australian

In Kunming, capital of the southwestern province of Yunnan, 1000 trucks are stranded.

A truck driver named Li told the Chuncheng Evening News he had been stranded at the Stone Tiger Gate petrol station for three days after searching for fuel in other places, but failing. He said his delivery date was way overdue.

Another driver, at Geiju city, said a job that would have taken one day in the past, now took three: one on the road, two queuing for fuel.

Nine days ago, a truck driver was reported to have been stabbed to death in central Anhui province after a row about queuing.

Read more: http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,2283...
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alfredo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 10:23 AM
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1. Lack of infrastructure is one reason the Soviets fell.
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Fredda Weinberg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 11:40 AM
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7. On the other hand, the nascent US economy had it much worse n/t
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alfredo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 01:25 PM
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11. But we were a more agrarian society.
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onehandle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 11:56 AM
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8. China won't fall. In a few decades they'll own us.
Probably literally.

That o.k. with you Wal-Mart freepers?
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Psephos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 01:06 PM
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9. Doubtful
American economic dominance for more than fifty years did not lead to us owning the nations who bought from us.

China's economy is built on a bubble. Business expansion loans there are immensely corrupt, and the books are cooked past well-done and on their way to charred. Half a trillion dollars worth of bad loans are festering away...maybe more. Look at the housing market here for a preview of China's day of reckoning...then multiply it by ten, because of the political instabilities and the extraordinary gap between the peasant masses and the coastal elites.

This year? Next year? Five years? Who can say...but the "correction" is coming.

My opinion, nothing more, nothing less.
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alfredo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 01:26 PM
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12. Depletion of resources will cut short its climb.
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Javaman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 04:11 PM
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13. It will cut short all our climbs. nt
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alfredo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 06:02 PM
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14. Back in the seventies when Nixon opened China, a commodity
Edited on Wed Nov-28-07 06:03 PM by alfredo
trading friend told me that if China ever became a consumer society all shit will hit the fan.
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Javaman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-29-07 01:32 PM
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15. The shit is rapidly descending onto the oscillator. nt
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alfredo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-29-07 02:29 PM
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16. They want us to become serfs, they want to return to a pre
Enlightenment society. just like Leo Strauss wanted.
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Javaman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-29-07 02:51 PM
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17. You know...
As I extrapolate climate change and peak oil, the gap between the haves and the have nots will become wider.

The haves will see an opportunity at some point to buy up some sort of commodity that the have nots will need, but certainly can't afford in a huge volume.

Then the haves will hire have nots who are the poorest of the poor to protect said commodity.

These newly empowered poorest of the poor will basically become the "kings guards".

The rest is simple math after that.
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alfredo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-29-07 09:44 PM
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19. Could buy some property in Paraguay, right over that big
aquifer. As the interior of the land masses dry up, water will be as good as gold.
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Javaman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-30-07 11:44 AM
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20. I'm curous to see what kind of headdress moron* wears when he's king down there. nt
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alfredo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-30-07 12:34 PM
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21. Here it is
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Javaman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-30-07 01:27 PM
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22. And here I thought there would be more feathers and perhaps an animal skin or two. LOL nt
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alfredo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-30-07 01:29 PM
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23. As long as there's no horse parts, they scare him.
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 10:24 AM
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2. What are they hauling?
China doesn't need food trucks delayed.
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 10:27 AM
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3. the big problem for american assembly plants
will the chinese be able to deliver products on time to america?
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maxsolomon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 10:45 AM
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4. oh no! who cares?
they're not making our food over there. not much of it anyway.

what they do make for the US market is usually a Want, not a Need.

this same phenomenon is coming in our near future. then it WILL affect the food supply.
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Betsy Ross Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 11:24 AM
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5. China is providing many comestibles.
Frozen apple juice, garlic, frozen vegetables, seafood, and so many more. It may still be a small percentage of our food supply, but consumers would notice should the supplies from China dried up.
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yorgatron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 01:11 PM
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10. where i live we have FRESH apple juice.
Martinelli's from Watsonville.

we also have much better garlic,from Gilroy.

Artichokes from Castroville.

seafood from Monterey.

i'm sure we can pick up the slack
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Outlier Donating Member (98 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 11:31 AM
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6. apples and oranges
The chinese gov't caps the retail price of fuel so once the price of crude spiked in the last 3 months the refiners have been eating the difference. as of late, they have been less than enthusiastic about providing fuel at a loss, thereby causing the shortages.

Here they just raise the price at the pump and keep their margins. We will have ample fuel for deliveries of necessities like food, it will just cost more.
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Javaman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-29-07 02:55 PM
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18. "they're not making our food over there. not much of it anyway."
Check out the frozen food isle and see where that food comes from.

I'm currently putting together a documentary about our food and the system by which it is distributed.

Then take a slow walk around the produce section and count the amount of them that are actually from the US. You will see many things coming from California, however, I bet you will see a huge amount of the produce coming from outside the US.

The logic is it's cheaper.

Most supermarkets get their garlic from China. Yes, china. Garlic can be grown anywhere, but because China pays slave wages, it's cheaper to buy it in bulk from them than it is from a supplier in the US.

The list goes on and on. It's really scary stuff.
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