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Cessna Invesco Palin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 07:30 AM
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Venezuela Chavez: CNN may be instigating my murder
Source: Reuters

CARACAS, Nov 28 (Reuters) - Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez said on Wednesday CNN may have been instigating his murder when the U.S. TV network showed a photograph of him with a label underneath that read "Who killed him?"

The caption appeared to be a production mistake -- confusing a Chavez news item with one on the death of a football star. The anchor said "take the image down" when he realized.

But Chavez called for a probe in an interview on state television, where he repeatedly reviewed a tape of the broadcast, questioning why the unconnected photograph and wording were left on screen for several seconds.

"I want the state prosecutor to look into bringing a suit against CNN for instigating murder in Venezuela," he said. "... undoubtedly it is part of the psychological warfare."

Read more: http://uk.reuters.com/article/oilRpt/idUKN2856634620071...
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 07:33 AM
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1. Faux showed a pic of a fat girl who got kicked off a plane, confusing her with a victim of domestic
violence who had been murdered.

Chavez needs to get over himself. Sometimes a fuckup is just a fuckup.
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tom_paine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 07:40 AM
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4. Sometimes. But with Bushies and Nazis it is foolish to dismiss conspiracy
Edited on Wed Nov-28-07 07:41 AM by tom_paine
even a tacit conspriacy in which the Bushie PsyOp Person (one of several or perhaps several dozen) doesn't need a telephone call every time he inserts his "mistakes", just before airing.

The truth is, you might be correct and it might be a simple mistake. However, with Bushie and nazi monsters, it is invariably dangerous to take the same comforting attitude towards all of the ver convenient (for the Bushies) "mistakes", as we might have back in the old days when America was still free.
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zeemike Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 09:25 AM
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11. Who was it that said there are no mistakes?
That mistakes are just our true feelings showing through. And in this case we know what the true feelings of the American Corporate media is.
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murray hill farm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 09:28 AM
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13. Papa Freud! nt
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zeemike Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 09:37 AM
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16. Thank you n/t
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 01:59 PM
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32. Hola, mexicoxpat!
And, that's Papi Freud. :)
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 04:37 PM
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33. He also said sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.
The guy who is 'responsible' for slapping the pics/banners up on the screen is NOT Roger Ailes or Rupert Murdoch. It's some poor tired union bastard who's probably trying to get enough overtime to buy his kid a Wii AND make the house payment at Xmas.

If it were Roger Ailes at that console, sure. But the bottom line is, the football player who got shot, and killed, at his back door in the wee hours of the morning, wore a RED jersey for his sports team, and we know that old Hugo favors them, too. The guy running the console pushed the wrong button, in a hurry, is all.
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treestar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 11:17 AM
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22. It is strange that the mistakes tend to go one way, though
Like when Faux Noise put a D after Foley's name, etc. It's like the way small plane crashes always seem to happen to Democrats. Statistically, it should have happened to a republican by now. Statistically CNN/Faux errors should happen to go against a conservative. The errors always seems to favor the right wing.
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Demeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-29-07 05:39 AM
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46. It Happens All the Time---All Those Criminal Congressmen Mislabelled
as Democrats when they are members of GOP.
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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 07:35 AM
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2. I don't trust CNN.
Is it that easy to swap labels on a graphic, or are they just that sloppy? Reminds me of Faux's mislabeling "accidents".
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tom_paine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 07:38 AM
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3. Normally I wouldn't agree with a guy like Chavez, but we have all seen
Fox "News" and it's repeat "mistakes", like labelling Bushie Child Molestor Foley a Democrat or "mistakenly" broadcasting to their Stormtrooper that Willian Jefferson was John Conyers.

Yeah, Bushies and Nazis ALWAYS make those "mistakes" and, gosh darn it, for soem reason they just keep making them.

CNN has as many Loyal Bushies as Fox, I believe, they just have a different job from Fox, and there are probably a handful of honest journalists there to lend Plausible Deniability, unlike Fox which is Bushie-Nazi to it's core and an overt engine of The Bushie Party.

So yes, I have no doubt that this "mistake" is like all other Bushie "mistakes", which is to say no mistake at all.

In this case, I believe Chavez' hyperbole.

I wonder if Venezuela is where the Bushies sent the Antrhax Assassin to cool off and stay out of the danger if any honest FBI agents couldn't be derailed by their Bushie Bosses.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 08:04 AM
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5. Deleted sub-thread
Sub-thread removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.
 
hadrons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 08:41 AM
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6. More likeily to be a production editor with a bad sense of humor ....
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Psephos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 08:50 AM
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7. Chavez: It's all about MEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!... n/t
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TheUniverse Donating Member (954 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 09:12 AM
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10. Is there anyone who is not trying to kill Hugo?
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zeemike Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 09:34 AM
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14. Sure, but they all live in Venezuela
And hope they can keep him long enough to create a government where there is social justice.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 09:56 AM
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17. Some of them reside in Washington, not to mention, Miami.
Also, last week, one or more Colombian nationals were taken into custody in connection with arms caches scattered around Caracas.
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davidinalameda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 11:26 PM
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43. I'm not
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devilgrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 08:56 AM
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8. I bet every one of these Anti-Chavez stories is TRUE!!!!
Edited on Wed Nov-28-07 08:58 AM by devilgrrl
NOT!



I can't believe people are buying this shit. These are the same media outlets that tried to sell the WMD's line of crap. CNN has a hard reporting anything of pertinence let alone who may or may not kill Hugo Chavez. Christ, you'll believe anything, won't you?
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IsItJustMe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 09:11 AM
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9. Sheep will be sheep. One has to wonder what it will take for the people in this country to wake up.
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Mr_Monday Donating Member (220 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 01:31 PM
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26. When "sheep" is once again a word for an animal
and not a derogatory term for those you disagree with.
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bitchkitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-29-07 05:36 AM
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45. Revolution can happen here only if the cable networks go down. n/t
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demnan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 09:26 AM
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12. I smell sulphur
n/t
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lovuian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 09:34 AM
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15. What chavez suggests is the newspapers being used to
pass orders because using code through the media wouldn't be the first
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 10:05 AM
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18. Maybe a mistake... maybe operation mockingbird.
:shrug:

It'd be nice if someone wondered aloud about the preponderance of mistakes involving identifying sicko / criminal repukes as dems... maybe compared it with the number of times dems were accidentally identified as repukes.
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NoodleyAppendage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 10:42 AM
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19. DOD caught in 2000 placing PsyOps interns at CNN. No doubt some are still in deep cover.
Published on Thursday, March 23, 2000 in the San Jose Mercury News
The Military & CNN
by Alexander Cockburn

A handful of military personnel from the 4th Psychological Operations Group (i.e. PSYOPs) based at Fort Bragg in North Carolina have until recently been working in CNN's headquarters in Atlanta. An enterprising Dutch journalist named Abe De Vries came up with this important story in mid-February, and he remains properly astounded that no mainstream news medium in the United States has evinced any interest in the story.
I came across translations of De Vries' stories on the matter, after they had appeared in late February in Trouw, the foremost quality newspaper in Holland.

De Vries later told me he'd originally come upon the story via an article in the French Intelligence newsletter (available on a pay-per-story basis on the Internet) Feb. 17, which described a military symposium in Arlington, Va., held at the beginning of that same month, discussing use of the press in military operations.

Col. Christopher St. John, commander of the U.S. Army's 4th PSYOPs Group, was quoted by a French Intelligence correspondent, present at the symposium, as (in the correspondent's words) having ``called for greater cooperation between the armed forces and media giants. He (St. John) pointed out that some Army PSYOPs personnel had worked for CNN for several weeks, and helped in the production of some news stories for the network.''

http://www.commondreams.org/views/032300-107.htm
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treestar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 11:20 AM
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23. Things that make you go hmmmm
This is why nothing should be dismissed as paranoid immediately.

These "errors" could well by psy-ops. Just the kind of thing they go in for with that. CNN, etc., have plenty of technology and are being broadcast nationally - dumb mistakes just don't fit in with that.
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 11:29 AM
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24. This is an excellent report on the story many of us were discussing in 2000.
You probably recall that exactly as the article says, it was almost completely muffled, once it DID finally get out:
Let's give the last word to the enterprising Abe De Vries. ``Of course, CNN says these PSYOPs personnel didn't decide anything, write news reports, etc. What else can they say? Maybe it's true, maybe not. The point is that these kind of close ties with the Army are, in my view, completely unacceptable for any serious news organization. Maybe even more astonishing is the complete silence about the story from the big media. To my knowledge, my story was not mentioned by leading American or British newspapers, nor by Reuters or AP.''

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classysassy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 10:55 AM
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20. American TV
is owened by rich thugs that hate Chavez for no other reason than,he's not one of them,not a rich white guy.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 01:58 PM
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31. Ding Ding Dinig! Not only won't he play ball, he's not even white.
No wonder they hate him.
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boricua79 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 10:55 AM
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21. Relax hugo, it was a mistake
I know the U.S. Government IS trying to overthrow you. I don't doubt you. But this explanation seems very plausible. It's not like an Osama-Obama confusion issue, where it's happened a lot.

they mixed images up at the computer center...end of story.

Move on Hugo.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 01:56 PM
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30. I think he's wise to raise the question even on this hook.
Why keep quiet when the coyotes are obviously after you? To please a North American audience? :shrug:
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boricua79 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 10:37 PM
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35. yeah...but what does it gain him?
except more of the same. He also does thrive on the victim card, and while both him and Castro justifiably can wave it, sometimes, it looks petty when it's obvious that the incident at hand is an obvious mistake.

The excuse given makes a lot of sense and fits with the details of the incident. I think Hugo has a country and its problems to worry about.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 10:49 PM
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37. Imho, at times like these, it's not a bad idea to stay in the public eye.
:shrug:
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mitchum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 01:28 PM
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25. CNN and CIA
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Mr_Monday Donating Member (220 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 01:38 PM
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27. Only one thing to say when Chavez gets like this:
Por que no te calles!
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 01:51 PM
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28. Insufficient idea. Haven't you attempted to grasp anything that's happened?
Didn't you even note an earlier post referring to Colombia's President Alvaro Uribe's 6 hours spend discussing an assassination plot by people in his own government with Chavez?

Were you not aware of the forcible kidnapping of Hugo Chavez in April, 2004? Apparently you must have been deep in thought, attempting to come up with flippant remarks you could someday add to serious peoples' message boards.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 01:54 PM
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29. Really? Go see the GD thread on the CIA memo
on the plan to destabilize Venezuela in the run up to the vote on 12/2.

Vez?
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ohio2007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 07:48 PM
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34. "A great operation of psychological warfare is underway," President Hugo Chavez warned
when commenting that CNN in Spanish broadcast a photo of him with a label underneath that read "Who killed him?", which was on air for several seconds on Tuesday.


snip

Chavez said the CNN incidence was aimed at instigating his assassination, and warned the people against actions to cause anxiety and distress among the citizens, so he urged them to be calm and have "nerves of steel."

snip

http://www.plenglish.com/article.asp?ID={738EDFB8-713E-...

sleeping with one eye open Hugo ? .... ;)
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 10:41 PM
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36. He better be. Link:
Edited on Wed Nov-28-07 10:42 PM by sfexpat2000
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Dave From Canada Donating Member (932 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 10:53 PM
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38. Yeah, the CIA is secretly planning to kill King Hugo, and advertising about it on television.
As Bill Maher would say. It may be time to ask if Paxil is right for you.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 10:55 PM
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39. The CIA has been outed because they've used the same plan
too often.

And pathologizing me doesn't change that, Dave. Nor is it an impressive form of argumentation.

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Anarcho-Socialist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 10:56 PM
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40. Chavez is reading too much into what was likely a "cock-up"
but one can appreciate why he may be paranoid about such matters, given the CIA coup against him.
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MetaTrope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 10:57 PM
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41. Have they labelled his picture with "Hugo Chavez (D)" yet?
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-28-07 11:09 PM
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42. They're saving that for the assassination.
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Socal31 Donating Member (707 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-29-07 01:52 AM
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44. Awww...
poor Chavey. Big bad CNN is coming after you. WTF?
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