The ball is in motion, inertia is strong. Here goes nothin, er, I mean, EVERYTHING!

"nuclear holocost"

"...see Bush let lose US missiles against Iran"

About Raw Story:

We draw upon a panoply of news sources and select those stories we think most intriguing to a audience seeking news underplayed by the mainstream media.

Red State, Little Green Footballs, CNSNews, etal as a linked source here at DU. In a little while AP/UPI will pick up the story but they are so far out of the loop why wait for them.

Raw Story has 90% great investigative work and 10% titillating stories to draw in readers. Opposite of any newsroom mainstream so called media runs.

themselves. These are stories that they've drawn together from a "panoply" (lol) of sources and couched as "underplayed".

Is your main goal to besmirch each and every single news source which is not supported by right wing money? Is it your fervent wish that the only source of news available to the American public be that of Fauxnews and Hugh Hewitt and Ann Coulter?

Just keep screaming at the top of your lungs 'fake' when investigative journalists all have to do their best work on the web because news media moguls reject everything without a right wing slant.

Raw story is not a "news source" any more than DU is a "news source". A "news source" is a person/organization who has investigated, researched, written, reviewed, edited, and then published information WITHOUT applying a filter of "stories we think most intriguing" (as per Raw Story's website).

and about the nonsense of applying filters:

Raw Story says up front it publishes those stories it thinks are most interesting. Each and every newspaper, channel, news site only publishes those stories it feels are most interesting, however they lie and say they cover all the news "fit to print". If the other news sites printed all the news fit to print, the American public would not be the least informed population of the Third World.

Then what, pray tell, is a "holocost" or how would GWB "let lose US missiles against Iran"?

It's bushleague (sic) "journalism" dressed up as authoritative.

but keep holding Raw Story to a higher standard, and Raw Story has about one hundredth of the budget any other media site enjoys.

But have fun with your bashing.

Just applying a few critical thoughts to the information you put up for consumption. As I see it, the source, and therefore the information, is suspect.

by just putting down an unknown poster by using the term "sweetheart" is a classic smarmy tactic of internet bashers.

As I see it, there is something which is suspect here and it is not the thread's news source.

"smarmy"...LOL.

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There sure are a lot of posters on this site that only want to engage in sophistry, especially lately. It is a waste of time to engage them; ignore at will.

Another favorite is to attack the messenger and ignore the message. what a wonderful way to ensure no productive communication occurs.

If you detect dogged sophistry, ignore the sophist.

http://rawstory.com/about.html

You do appear to not like raw story, which is fine, but if you think that other more established news sources do not 'apply a filter' on what they think is news you are wrong.

...choose to publish/air based on intrigue/sensationalism? Rarely is coverage ever based on what's most important, that's for sure.

http://www.zogby.com/news/ReadNews.dbm?ID=1379

I no longer trust anything that comes from the mainstream media even Zogby. They could be bought or forced into lying about this. This assministration is like the Mafia and anyone who disagrees with them are doomed. The only idiots who think we should bomb Iran that I have been in contact with are rethuglicans. They are dumb enough not to realize the consequences of bombing Iran. They have no clue that China and Russia (Which are big according to Bush) are not going to just let us bomb Iran with no retaliation against us. And even if China and Russia don't retaliate we still should NOT bomb Iran

what matters is that it is now out there to spin and build support for and against war. People still think there are WMD's in Iraq. The RW splashes the lies and the deceptions and leave it up to other news agancies to retract the story. So people watching fox never see the retraction and Fox News says, hey it was retracted in other media, we don't need to. If people don't read and use the tv remote to see other possibilities then the lies are as real as the truth.
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that achieved this bullshit result? Does Zogby have an agenda here?

If this is genuine we can thank our mainstream media for so effectively pushing the Bush agenda.

disgusting and disheartening.

by the media and OTHER sources, continues full speed ahead.

Keyword - MANIPULATION

6. Based on what you know about Iran's development of a nuclear program, how
supportive are you of a U.S. military strike to prevent Iran from building a nuclear weapon?

The first four question are not even listed http://www.zogby.com/wf-Zogby-10-29-07.pdf

The framing of this question and the surrounding questions push an assumption that Iran is building a nuclear weapon.

I mean, the first part of the question is the assumption, "based on what you know". What does anyone out here or in the general public know but what they hear the talking heads of media and government say? And what are the they for the most part saying? They're telling us we have a good deal to fear from the prospect of Iran getting the bomb, and they're telling we cannot trust what Iran says about their intentions. Take a poll here. Does anyone out here believe either of these is untrue? The last part of the question is where the rubber meets the road. To me, it merely states that if it is true they want and are preparing a bomb, would you support a military strike to stop it? In the context of what we're hearing on the airwaves from just about every responsible party, I'm not a bit surprised at the results, as disheartening that they are.

The question should have been phrased without any additional information, as in:

"Are you in favor of a military strike on Iran?"

Do you see how that eliminates any prejudicial information? How it is a neutral, isolated, framing of the question asked? Everytime a poll adds additional information to a question, such as this one did, red flags should go up and you need to step back and ask what purpose the additional information provided served.

On the other hand, the question as phrased seems very revealing.

The under 30 crowd and the under 35 crowd are grossly under-represented. Would less of these folks support such a war???

Of many reasons why Polls in general should be ignored.

That's the trouble with polls. Until every vote is counted, one must surely consider the source biased?

Mind you, 300 million Americans, it's easier to put up a web link and pray your favorite visitors vote the way they usually do.

of the Iranian Nuke program?

These polls are fixed. Since they can engineer elections, they can engineer polls.
That is the one and ONLY thing I go along with the idiot on. He doesn't believe in polls.

What is wrong with this country?

On edit: How many of those people are willing to go or send a loved one to do the job?

the common sense. They are like a bunch of lemmings running off a cliff!

They need deprogrammed or they need to live in a war zone for a while.

That should give them some idea of the horror * has unleased on Iraq and wants to unleash on Iran.

the 1984 British film "Threads".

fool me once, shame on you...fool me twice...shame on...shame on...won't get fooled again?

as viewed on the TV-screen. I mean the youngsters like stuff blown to pieces as long as it is on TV. Hollywoodish movies are partially to blame - the "bad guys" are always either russian, or arabs, or chinese, or some other asian types. Insert the necessary nationality.
I haven't seen so much bigotry in a nation comprised of so many different religious and nationality backgrounds in a very long time, WTF happened to this country?

Vietnam was different, the draft ensured that your arse was on the line along with the guy next to you. Now, that guy next to you can go to war and die and you would pretend like nothing really happened. Who cares? It is a war for those at the bottom of a food chain.

bombing Iran? Well, he has a BIG green light now, doesn't he? Stupid fucking morons.

Stupid fucking sheeple. The Bushbots, while I loathe them with every fiber of my being, I can at least understand. But the 22-27% who don't approve of the Chimp and still believe his terra fear-mongering?! My fucking head is exploding!

It was informative, if a little slanted.
The part that got me the most was how Iran made overtures to the U.S., helping in Afghanistan and the willingness to help overthrow Saddam.
The neo-cons really have it in for Iran. This poll won't help matters.

When they were in the mosques chanting "death to America / Israel", I really tried to look into the faces of those people and see if I could discern whether they meant it or not. So many of them looked like they were just saying it because they were supposed to but didn't really have looks of hatred on their faces.

From PollingReport.com, recent polls on the subject of Iran:

http://www.pollingreport.com/iran.htm

Some examples:

CNN Oct. 12-14 2007:
If the U.S. government decides to take military action in Iran, would you favor or oppose it?
Oppose 68
Favor 29

CBS News/New York Times Poll. Sept. 4-8, 2007
Which comes closer to your opinion? Iran is a threat to the United States that requires military action now. Iran is a threat that can be contained with diplomacy now. OR, Iran is not a threat to the United States at this time
Military Action Now 9
Diplomac Now 59
Not a Threat 24
Unsure 8


And many more

Zogby poll seems QUITE INACCURATE!!

edit to add: Also, variation between polls shows that question wording has a huge effect on results. It is probably more meaningful to look at trends over time of responses to the same question from the same pollster, than to focus on a single, anomalous, poll.
Personally, it appears much more likely to me that Americans are strongly OPPOSED to military action in Iran at this time, and growing more so.

Propaganda. Nuff said.

Stangly phrased or bogus it is not applicable to reality.

I'm not living where I grew up. That much is clear.

He's a voice of reason on it. In a speech he gave he spoke of how if we have an attack
on Iran of any size, our troops are sitting ducks, totally stressed out...and nearly wiped
out already in that Iraqi quagmire. Iran has the capacity to not only sink several of the
US ships nearby, but raze our soldiers in Iraq in massive numbers. Don't like 3,000 dead
- how bout 30,000! Or many more. To a point that we can't even rely on military due to
the loss. Can't have a draft. Meanwhile, to plan, Blackwater is outta Iraq and here w/us
in the US, ready to lock up the near 50% who don't want to bomb Iran if they disgaree.

Private armies, guided by the root of all evil, money. Bringing the war home and doing it
to us here instead of them over there (sound familiar?) This is huge. The vast majority
of those supporting bombing likely are pro-keep the troops there folk. Many may have
kids there now. This message must be delivered. It's their kids who will die, or there
will be a lot fewer troops to support after Iran fires back. Oh, and you know they'll
send non-nuclear fire into Israel who will fire back with nukes with our blessings &
likely support. And Bush will have his little WW3 & military rule here to boot. It is
not looking good. They better seal the fucking Canadian border if we participate
in any kinda nuke dropping in the Middle East as I'll no longer be a US citizen...

They are more than willing to sacrifice 30,000 American lives. Those won't be lives of the top .001 percent, so they don't count. They aren't real human beings to the Neocons. WW3 means that Bush invokes his Directive and remains king. He's challenging the Congress, the People, and the rest of the CIVILIZED world, and he KNOWS we'll blink first.

I don't know if we'll all live long enough to cure the world of this Neocon disease.

he doesn't listen to polls or we'd REALLY have something to worry about.

But then, If he DID, we wouldn't be in Iraq anymore.

I'm so confused.

It's all about how the questions are asked, and who is being asked. They ask something like "Would you be willing to bomb Iran if found out that were going to use a nuclear weapon against Israel or an American ally or the US?" Or they ask a series of questions that lead to that conclusion.

Only idiots would say no under those circumstances, At this point the 'majority' of Americans know better. The dead giveaway is that it simply isn't consistent with the polls that show Bush's tanked reputation practically in the negative numbers and all the other polls that show the American people are waking up. And Zogby is just as biased as any other poll, name recognition not-withstanding.




edited for wrongful use of vocabulary

On top of being a poll designed to manipulate public opinion rather than measure public opinion, polls like this are commissioned by the Bush Administration and the right wing think tanks. And poll results like these are only published if they promote the Bushco party line. Otherwise it stays secret.

Manufactured consent indeed...

I find it hard to believe this is truly representative of the country unless there are some Democrats who believe war is the way to achieve world peace. I'd put a question mark at the end of that sentence but I'm afraid of the answer.

Maybe they are right and the Western World really is The Great Satan.

No, clearly, they don't.

"omg, like totally bomb him"
stupid country!

I hope the minority rises up and educates this minority.

It seems to me that there is something wrong with this poll. I cannot believe that half of the American Public thinks we should enter another war. This is simply stupid, stupid, stupid. Diplomacy is what we need, not war. Bushco, Inc.'s fear card must be playing out well, if half of these people say they want war. This is simply preposterous.


Then again, stupidity is the most abundant element in the universe.

Who really thinks that this is a good plan!?!? Unbelievable! Unless they're just making up poll numbers, which I sure as hell wouldn't put past anyone, at this point.

and that not only includes an endless war, it includes lack of healthcare, people losing their homes, jobs offshored, a woman's right to choose, and the replacement of science with extreme religious dogma

If the Democrats lose in 2008, that will be the final straw for me

Let's see what they say when they are paying 5 bucks a gallon for oil. I say screw-um. Unfortunately, a lot of innocents are going to get hurt because of this, but until we REALLY hit bottom, and it affects people directly, NOTHING WILL CHANGE

If it were something like: "If Iran is shown to have a nuclear program that threatened the US, would you be in favor of a preemptive strike" I can believe that %52 would vote yes.

WAKE UP AMERICA! ATTACKING IRAN WILL BE NATIONAL SUICIDE!

Given our Iraqi adventure, this poll is hard to believe.

First, the conclusion they are drawing is to a hypothetical situation,
"...52% - would support a U.S. military strike to prevent Iran from building a nuclear weapon..."

The question is based on the ASSUMPTION that Iran IS actually BUILDING a nuclear weapon, currently they are NOT. Currently, they don't even have "the knowledge" of how to build one, let alone, have the parts and nuclear material to make one. The really scary thing is, *Bush, in his "...you don't want WWIII..." speech, drastically lowered the bar to "...preventing Iran from gaining 'the knowledge' needed to build a nuclear weapon..."

Second, Check out the "Margin of Error!" 3.2%!!!
That means it really is 48.8% to 55.2%, so it could be as low as 48.8%, but could be as high as 55.2% (which is kind of scary) but then we come to point Three!

Three, the calls are all made to:

1) Land-lines (NO Cell Phones, so few "younger voters")

2) People who will probably don't screen their calls or have Caller ID. Anyone here fall into that category, that you will still pick up any and all phone calls?

3) The survey was

59 questions!!! "...approximately? 59 questions?"

I don't know about you, but if Zogby called and told me ahead of time the poll was 59 questions, I'd say, "No Thanks!" And if they did NOT tell me ahead of time that it was 59 questions, I'm sure I'd tune-out and probably stop listening to what the interviewer was asking after about the first 30 questions!

Anyone here ever paid full attention though ALL 59 questions from a telephone interviewer!?!? Just the thought of it makes me think the movie "Airplane," where Robert Hays' character starts telling his life stories in "flash-backs", but when you come back to the present, the person has killed themselves!

Surveys like this are Crap!

The Zogby Methodology is below:

Robbien

If US are to attack Iran, over the same false claims they have used against Iraq, then you are really out in the woods.. Really, absolutely out in the woods...

But then, even that IAEA have claimed that they have _no_ prove to say Iran are in the prosess of producing Nuclear Weapon is not been innformed to the american public..

So I guess, US are on the road to war - again, and this time mr Bush are catable of using nucks.. And If US are going to attack Iran, they wil be werry alone.. Not even the Brittish are going to walk the road down to a hopeless war in Iran, as they are doing it in Iraq..

Maybee a war with Iran, Iraq and a lot of other places are the start of the end of USA as a superpower..? All "superpowers" in the history, have at some point in their history been to aggresive, and have started a war, they cant win... If US are going to war with Iran, withouth a DAM GOD REASON the rest of the world wil go against US.. Maybee not military, but with the debt burden US have today, we can wage war agains the old US without a patron been used.. Just trow enough dollar in the bin,and not paying american products.. The most of US technology can be build oter places.. Even rocket tecknology are not the domain of US soley anymore.. Even the Chinese have some "interestning" in the making.. And Your Titan V Rockets, are using a 30 year old USSR product.. The rocket engines is a derative of a sovjet product from the 1970s.. In fact the russians are getting alot of free repotation, becouse of the Titan V rockets.. (the sivilians one, not the military one)...

I fear that if USA are going to war in Iran, they wil face a enemy they just dosent know how to defeat.. Yes you can bomb the fasilitetes to smal pieces but you cannot win the "heart and mind" as the US was trying in Iraq, with blowning up building over the whole places.. If US are going to to war, then United States of America wil face the rest of the world, not as friends, not as outright enemies, but maybee as a country they dosent want to visit, to trade with, to be friends with anymore..

And if this Administration REALLY ARE USING NUCLEAR WEAPON.... Then the whole world are going to react.. Then US have _no right_ to use nuclear weapon.. Specially against a nation who havent been to war with USA the last 231 year.. But have been attaced many times, from the great powers.. Most known UK and USA.. And Russia then... but that is more than 100 year ago..

IF US are to Use nuclear weapon, my fear is that you wil be verry isolated indeed.. Maybee even the UN vil relocate, to a more friendly are of the world..

But what I really fear, is that if US are using nuclear weapon, are that other nations wil do the same - against "american interst".. What that mean I dont know.. But the first use of Nuclear weapon today, wil do more harm than good.. And if you really belived that "old europe" was angry before the Iraqi war.. Belive mee, after a nuclear strike against Iran, I fear that millions wil demostrate, both in "new europe and old europe" against the nuclear use... USE of Nuclear weapon is just not a livable option, if the Administration then is not totaly mad...
They must KNOW THAT EVEN THE TREATH OF NUCLEAR WEAPON IS SOMETING THE REST OF THE WORLD WIL RESIST, EVEN THAT IT MEAN SOME UGLY THING...

Diclotican

Sorry my bad engelish, not my native language.

time for Iran to come to grips with the fact that the US is in the hands of crazy fuckers and to stop this stupid shit of provoking them. I mean how big a problem is it to delay some program until the nutcases leave the Whitehouse?

The conventional street wisdom is "Don't fuck with the crazy guy".

IN NO WAY IS THIS TRUE----

---------OH WAIT..... HERE ARE THE POLL QUESTIONS----->

1) YOU ARE WALKING ALONG AND A NUKE FROM IRAN IS FLYING TOWARD YOUR HEAD.... SHOULD WE ATTACK IRAN

2) WHAT RHYMES WITH I-CAN AND IS A PLACE WE MIGHT WANT TO BOMB

3) UNSCRAMBLE THIS PUZZLE------> I A R N

4) YOU ARE WATCHING FOX NEWS AND.... OH YOU DON'T WATCH FOX NEWS... NEXT CANDIDATE FOR THE POLL PLEASE

IN A RECENT POLL OF MALE WHITE SUPREMIST FUNDAMENTALIST CHRISTIAN MEMBERS OF THE NRA..... WHEN ASKED WHAT THEY WOULD WANT TO DO IF WE WERE BOMBED BY IRAN..... THEY SAID.....

MORE POLL QUESTIONS--->

1) WHAT IS JOHN MCCAIN'S FAVORITE SONG

2) IN A POLL OF PEOPLE WHO DON'T USE CELL PHONES, AND STILL BELIEVE THAT DINOSAURS COEXISTED WITH ADAM AND EVE...



---------------------FOR THE LOVE OF CRAP WOULD SOMEONE PLEASE TELL ZOGBY TO START USING A POLLING METHOD WHICH INCLUDED SOME PEOPLE WHO WERE BORN ------ AFTER ------ THE BEATLES WERE BORN.....

WHEN I ASK MY 93 YEAR OLD GRANDFATHER HE SAYS BOMB EVERYONE SO HE WON'T BE LONELY IN HEAVEN...

GEORGE THE BUSH SAYS HE TALKS TO GOD AND IS AWAITING THE RAPTURE...

---------------HOW ABOUT POLLING SOMEONE WHO ACTUALLY WANTS TO BE ALIVE IN 10 YEARS

This is a BUSH-HIT...

IRAN is being set up.

This is not reality.

This is propaganda.

PERIOD.

god am i pissed off at this----

never posted so many in a row before----

WHAT A BUNCH OF HOGWASH BEING PUT OUT BY THE GOP KILL MACHINE TO TRY TO JUSTIFY THEIR UPCOMING STRIKE ON IRAN...


------WELL IT WAS WHAT THE PEOPLE WANTED... WE JUST CHECKED ZOGNUTS AND PRESSED THE RED BUTTON

------WHAT THE HELL.... HILLARY SAID SHE FAVORED CALLING THEM TERRORISTS

----------------------------------PACK OF DUMBFUCKS

They have operable nukes and missiles, hold our debt, and poison us with their sub-standard Wal-Mart designed products.

Bomb them now before they are our unquestioned masters in twenty to thirty years.

Hey, smirk! They're commies. What are you waiting for?


Pussy.

Those numbers are pulled out of someones butt...How DARE they even take a poll on this shit. It like Junior's "approval" rating...I find it hard to believe there are even 75 people in this whole country who still thinks he doing a "good" job.

If they even dare to tread water on this Iran crap...then start a draft...NOW. See how fast we change gears...The rich "not my kid" bastards will back pedal real quick.

I cannot for one second believe that 52% of Americans want another war--hello!! As the Patriot Act was passed, 'a majority of Americans polled would gladly give up civil rights for security' ----Remember that??? Gods help us, I am praying for PEACE. Please let us all wake up and prevent WWIII !!
What REALLY pisses me off is that these 'polls' are used to fake American consent to what is apparently a done deal. They are trying to make it look like they are following the wishes of the People, when it is the other way around. Curses!!!

( I should say I dont for a second believe these polls, but the end result will be the same)_

Zogby is lying

If it is true then Americans shall reap what they sow

Likely voters...this is a loaded poll.



1028 people polled and that means a majority of Americans - ALL 290,000,000 - want war with Iran...right...

This is the kind of shit 'Dictators in Waiting' dream of...

The capacity of America to be motivated to aggression on the mere basis of fear should never, under any circumstances, be underestimated. The fact that this continues to apparently defy logic and boggle some as a result is only because people are still in denial about how fear plays upon a human's tendency to be illogical. Human beings seem to react first and think it through later. It just seems to be how we're all wired.

I think this time they are totally faking American consent, it is another ploy. Now the ball is in our court, will Americans do anything even though we know we are being lied to??

If it confirms their worst fears, yes, apparently so.

head to the streets en masse when there is a bogus election or a coup has been uncovered? There is something about our culture that has primed us for this takeover. I just want to understand---what can help Americans overcome this conditioning of mass fear and empower ourselves? God, now is the time to figure this out!!

That something is we are comfortably distracted by our consumption, which comes before everything, including being a part of an informed citizenry. What would the majority rather watch, American Idol, MTV, CSI, NASCAR, the NFL, fill in the blank; or PBS? How many magazine and newspaper articles does the average American read in a week, and, How many music videos and cell phone calls does it take to exceed the time it took to read those articles?

There is a lot of distraction and people are addicted to 'feel good' right now entertainment. Gratification before responsibility. Our consumption feeds our distraction. But not all is lost! The next entertainment might be another invasion, whoopee, and the masses can learn geography when they are shown the location of the 'evil doers' country.

double post

I'm getting a shuttle to the first class-M planet I can find, this species is too fucking stupid to survive.

If anyone wants to join me, you'll need at least an average IQ (or recognised disability).

...millions should be surrounding FOX "news" buildings and the other outlets of the corporatist propaganda machine. People might be forgiven for being trusting and gullible but the misinformation is conscious and a major component of cold blooded murder.

But.....Fool us twice---shame on US all!!! This is what I am feeling, ashamed that such warmongers are in charge and we apparently have not been able to do ANYTHING about it.
~~~IMPEACH NOW!~~~~~~

here we go again.

There's lies, damn lies, and corporate sponsored poll results.

If this poll is anywhere near accurate, then John Q Citizen is pathetic, and may the citizens receive the just deserts of their waring Karma.

I wonder the results of a poll asking if the MAD policy of the Cold War, might be a better alternative.

Pakistan is not known for their stability, but seem to control their urges knowing certain retaliation will repay nuclear aggression. It is a country filled with Islamic fundamentalists, that has backed through the ISI, the fundamentalist Taliban in neighboring Afghanistan.

If this poll is accurate, the mass media had better present some alternative discussion of remedies. A nuclear Iran can be deterred just as a nuclear Korea, they just can not be invaded as easily when we fancy.

too hot?

Of course I really knew that already when they voted for bush* TWO times.

Yes, I consider the USA's whorish Corporate Media as nothing less than TRAITORS to our beloved Constitution.

I wish that I could come up with a more derogatory word than whores? Perhaps ghouls? They are pure evil and will help foment a bombing of Iran which will, no doubt, OPEN UP THE GATES OF HELL.

No, I don't blame the average hard working American for one moment. People are struggling with 2, 3 or more jobs just to make ends meet. I blame both The GUTLESS and MORALLY BANKRUPT POLITICIANS and their cheerleaders in the Corporate M$M. They are f**king corrupt beyond any semblance of fair play and moral treatment of "The People." They betray The American People. If there is a just God, the leaders of these bloated corporations and paid-off complicit politicians will burn in The Seventh Ring of Hell for All Eternity.

If you MADE me angry, I am angry.

If working in the sun MADE me thirsty, I am thirsty.

If you MADE me stupid, I am stupid.

The American People ARE stupid.

Made that way, born that way, turned that way with a ray gun. The result is the same.

They're stupid.

Apparently the question was:

"Based on what you know about Iran's development of a nuclear program, how supportive are you of a U.S. military strike to prevent iran from developing a nuclear weapon?"

How many would answer yes if the question was phrased
"Based on the what you know about the lack of evidence that iran has any nuclear weapons program at all, how supportive are you of a U.S. military strike which, according to the Bush propaganda apparatus, would be aimed at preventing iran from developing a nuclear weapon (although many others believe it would be aimed at keeping oil transactions in dollars)?"

Since also, as noted in my previous post and documented here: http://www.pollingreport.com/iran.htm, other polls show Amevicans quite strongly OPPOSED to any attack on iran (and particularly opposed to an attack BY BUSH), I would say the combination of a conservative sample and a manipulative question make this result, to use a technical term, bullshit.

note: to get info (from Zogby) about questions and sample demographics, go to http://www.zogby.com/news/ReadNews.dbm?ID=1379 and click on link at the bottom of the page, where it says: " Topline data is available here. "

Actually there are plenty who want to bomb them (red state neighbors) But the "above-average" folks here know it would be strategic suicide and prefer wait and see...

I think a lot of people are in collective denial about our weak position to to ANYTHING diplomatic or militarily against Iran. I wouldn't call it at 50 percent though. However -- maybe we all need to conclude sometimes the Internet is a self-reinforcing bubble and we are pretty out of touch with how the average person thinks. Or the poll is rigged. Or a little of both.

Yeah, I need to move (Texas) And yeah...we are screwed...

Apparently some don't listen to * closely enough.