MSNBC: Attacks after Saddam's sons killed (2 US soldiers dead)

[lanlady]

July 23 — A day after the United States claimed a major victory in its occupation of Iraq by killing Saddam Hussein’s feared sons, U.S. soldiers on Wednesday were back under attack by insurgents believed to be loyal to the former Iraqi dictator. An Arab satellite network, meanwhile, broadcast what it said was a new audiotape carrying the voice of Saddam, who U.S. officials say is probably still alive and hiding somewhere in Iraq.

TWO AMERICAN SOLDIERS were killed in ambushes in Iraq on Wednesday, dashing any U.S. hopes that the killing of Saddam’s sons, Odai and Qusai, would snuff out a guerrilla insurgency against occupying forces.

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http://www.msnbc.com/news/870749.asp?vts=072320030435&cp1=1

[opihimoimoi]

1. don't the Bushies know this is not a conventional war??

that taking out 2 evil sons does not mean the end? as they hope it will?

That the Shiites want the control of the oil, the Gov't and the peoples minds? That they want a Theoracracy?

That they foster hate towards America?

[Ilsa]

11. RE: Conventional war statement...

It's not that they don't know. It's is that they don't care. And you can hear it everytime they open their mouths and speak of these deaths as "acceptable losses".

[ninkasi]

15. Another thing the Bushies forget

or overlook, is that the Shiites were the repressed ones under Saddam. They are probably overjoyed that his sons are dead. They still hate us, though, and still want us to leave so they can run the country.

The Bushies are delusional.

[GalleryGod]

2. Well,this Seems to be proceeding nicely!? NOT!

Asswipe better double the guard :party: around Jenna/Slut and Barbara/Ho!? :nopity:

[JoFerret]

6. Your sexist abuse

is quite unnecessary. The twins may well be most unappealing characters but they have no role in this.

[JackDragna]

3. What kind of idiot would think the attacks would stop?

Besides AM talk radio dittoheads, that is.

The people there could care less about Hussein right now. We're the ones that blew their country to hell, so we're going to get the brunt of their partisan aggression. Let's also not forget that we're probably now the target of attackers from other countries that are entering Iraq solely for the chance to kill American soldiers.

[JoFerret]

8. Scary article this week

on the rise of Jihad brigades in Pakistan - fueled by poverty, hopelessness and hatred of American military interventions/ wars. There is a monster waiting in the wings. If we could send one fraction of the military budget to helping people find hope through education, agriculture and basic health care the whirlwind would subside a little.

[Jacobin]

4. The administration and the media are in clinical denial

The magical thinking going on in the WH that killing the former dictator's sons will end the guerilla war, is a clear sign that Smirk is so detached from reality that this country is in real danger.

The desperation in the WH is palpable. They are viewing the world as they want it to be and not as it is.

I fear for this country. I really do.

[UpInArms]

5. I would think that only if

SH's sons were the ones personally attacking our military personnel, would that have stopped the attacks on our military personnel.

The logic that this (killing SH's sons) would stop the attacks doesn't work for me.

I would think that unless we get the infrastructure of Iraq (electricity and water and roads) functional and reliable, we are going to see more, not less attacks.

I also think that the continued presence of Halliburton and Bechtel in the oilfields will not help -

jmho

[JoFerret]

7. I think part of the logic is

that with the brothers Grim off the scene, ordinary Iraqis will begin to believe the old reign of terror is over and start the shift toward acceptance of the new order, the new regime, and occupation. I see the reasoning in that although the concept that the death of two men - however powerful and prominent - would end the resistance is absurd.

[reprobate]

9. The hatred of the Iraqi people for america must be universal by now

The people of iraq, under US sanctions for over a decade, sufferred unknowable terror and pain because of us. Let's not forget the five hundred thousand, yes half a million, iraqi children that died because we wouldn't let them have antibiotics, because we used DU munitions, because we spent a decade bombing them back to the pre-neolithic.

I find it impossible to place myself in the position of an iraqi who has lost his family because of the US love of killing. It must be a white hot glowing ember of hate that lies within him just waiting for the opportunity to exact revenge.

In the face of hatred such as this any discussion of political repercussions is meaningless. Whatever the factions involved feel about each other, they are united in their thirst for revenge on the great satan.

We have much to fear in the coming months. And many to bury.

[underpants]

10. McCaffery "3 months to a year of hostilities" (Today Show)

I hope this will at least lessen the resistance, we will see but I am with you all I have seen (BBC/ABC) are Iraqis who as one police officer put are 'trying to protect my people from the Americans and the Israelis".....

[mistertrickster]

13. I love the double standard--if we were invaded by Iraq to "liberate"

us from the unelected despot, GW Bush, we would fight tooth and nail to throw the invaders out . . . not because of love of Bush, but because no one wants to be invaded by a foreign power.

But all the Iraqis taking pot-shots at Americans are "loyalists of Saddam." Well, I'm sure it's easier to deal with that fiction, but maybe they're just loyal to hating imperialists who have invaded their country.

I'm not justifying attacks on Americans--I'm simply saying that if you don't want American dead, don't put them where they can be shot at, duh . . .

[slackmaster]

14. It depends on which Iraqis you're talking about

Support for the war, the ouster of Saddam, and the alleged killing of his sons is very high among Iraqi expatriates (mostly Chaldeans) in the US.

They were drinking champagne yesterday morning in my local convenience store. I think the family that owns it had a personal beef with Uday.

[malachi]

12. 2 US soldiers dead

Are you sure that two GI's were killed. That's double the number that we're led to believe the Iraqis kill every day. Amazing ain't it? How many believe that the number of our troops killed is signifigantly higher?

[JackDragna]

16. No doubt about it.

There are more casualties than we're being told about. I hardly buy only a few hundred Americans have died considering the amount of control the military has had over reporting in the region. The whole incident reminded me of something I saw in a grocery store in Eagle River, Wisconsin, just after the first gulf war. Eagle River only numbers a few thousand people when the summer tourists aren't up from Chicago and Milwaukee, yet somehow in this grocery store there were several memorials on the wall of soldiers from the town that had died, at least five or six as I recall. I found it odd that such a small town should have so many killed.

[VolcanoJen]

17. Dupe... locking

Let's keep our discussion of this topic consolidated in the original, earliest thread, which can be found here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=29528&mesg_id=29528&page=

Thanks!
VolcanoJen
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