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Orrin_73 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-14-07 10:00 PM
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Beheading and Shooting by Russian Neo-Nazis on Video
Source: The New York times

MOSCOW, Aug. 14 The Russian authorities said Tuesday that they were investigating a video recording of what appeared to be the grisly execution of two bound and gagged young men, filmed in a forest beneath a large Nazi flag. At least one of the men was beheaded on camera as he lay in a shallow grave.

The video, which appeared Sunday on several Russian ultranationalist Web sites, circulated on the Internet with a note from a previously unknown organization calling itself the National-Socialist Party of Russia. The note announced that a military vanguard had begun an armed struggle against black colonists and those who support them from the Russian government.

It demanded the expulsion from Russia of all Asians and people from the Caucasus and the granting of independence to all of Russias internal republics in the Caucasus.The note also called for the resignation of President Vladimir V. Putin and the establishment of a government formed by Dmitri G. Rumyantsev, the leader of the National-Socialist Society, a neo-Nazi group.

The graphic scenes drew heavy traffic on Russian-language Web sites and prompted intensive commentary on Internet discussion groups. Many viewers, including those who identified themselves as nationalists, expressed horror and denounced the acts.

Read more: http://www.nytimes.com/2007/08/15/world/europe/15russia...



Russia is getting dangerous lately with all those attacks against non-Russians.
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entanglement Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-14-07 10:08 PM
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1. Thanks and Kick
The feeble response of the Russian state to earlier atrocities has no doubt emboldened the Neo-Nazis. Weak prosecutions and lackadaisical policing have meant virtual impunity for these thugs.
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tchunter Donating Member (236 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-14-07 10:13 PM
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2. if only they went after neo-nazis like they do journalists... (n/t)
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David__77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-14-07 10:29 PM
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3. The idea of Russian neo-Nazis is revolting.
They cherish those criminals who killed 20,000,000 of their compatriots. So despicable. How they can show themselves in any forum in Russia is beyond my comprehension. It's the ultimate in national treachery.
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Irreverend IX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-15-07 02:47 AM
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5. I cannot comprehend...
How a neo-Nazi movement exists in Russia. I suppose it's easier now that the WWII generation is dying off. I would expect Russians who participated in that war to tear anyone waving a Nazi flag limb from limb.
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tom_paine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-15-07 05:16 AM
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6. Haven't you noticed from living in Amerika these past 6 1/2 years?
Apparently, it is much easier than we think to manipulate people into repudiating their cherished values, especially if they never went out and really thought any up.

Being a Russian Nazi (and yes, I would liken that to being a Jewish Nazi, so heinous a contradiction it is) is only the difference in a matter of degree, between Loyal Bushies who at one time reviled the idea of a Big Brother Surveillance State, but only because it was not guaranteed THEY would run it, now that it is and they will, if the Bushification sticks (and I suspect right now that it will, at least for awhile, so pervasive is it)

Now that Loyal Bushie Comrades are clearly behind it and in charge of it, the 26% of Loyal Bushie Stormtruppen are very much in favor of it.

As I said, same family of thinking, only different as a matter of degrees.

Thank God for that, because I foresee a day when the numbers of degrees of differences between Nazi and Bushie modes of thinking, shall we say, become fewer.
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Tyler Durden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-15-07 05:55 AM
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8. Actually, STALIN did a better job than Hitler:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Stalin

snip

"Regardless, it appears that a minimum of around 10 million surplus deaths (4 million by repression and 6 million from famine) are attributable to the regime, with a number of recent books suggesting a probable figure of around 20 million.<65><66><67><68> Adding 6-8 million famine victims to Erlikman's estimates above, for example, would yield a figure of between 15 and 17 million victims. Pioneering researcher Robert Conquest,<69> meanwhile, has revised his original estimate of up to 30 million victims down to 20 million. Others, however, continue to maintain that their earlier much higher estimates are correct.<70>"

However, while Stalin's betrayal of the Socialist underpinnings of the Russian Revolution were disgusting in the hindsight of history, you are correct, it is amazing that ANYONE in central Russia would support a Neo-Nazi party or philosophy. Maybe in Byelorussia, but not in Russia itself.
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BushOut06 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-14-07 10:43 PM
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4. Wonder if the RW nutjobs will be covering this
Think people like Hannity and O'Reilly will give this anywhere near the same attention they gave the beheadings in Iraq?
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tom_paine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-15-07 05:25 AM
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7. Ha ha. You are asking them to report on a cause that bears direclty on themsleves
Edited on Wed Aug-15-07 05:29 AM by tom_paine
Why? It's convoluted, yet simple.

Loyal Bushie Dogma teaches that Hitler and the Nazis were Left-Wingers, against the words of the Nazis themselves, the people of the day, and the judgement of history.

For Hannity or O'Reichley to even BROACH this topic because it touches on the BIG BUSHIE LIE that Nazis are Left-Wingers. So odious is that lie, the multi-billion dollar Bush-Party Sub-Media and Lie Laundry to this day has trouble with directly addressing the topic, in any context where the surrounding relevant history makes that Propaganda Position Absurd.

As it would in the context of trying to understand Russian Nazis who are, by definition, LEFT-Wingers and therefore...generally aligned with Putin?

From there, the whole premise breaks up.

Therefore, since the story can't be used to malign liberals, and doubly-so because it shows a weakness in their Propganda Facade (which may impel their unquestioning cult members to awaken and start questioning if their dogma runs into such an obvious brick wall), it will receive the customary Loyal Bushie Treatment for Unpleasant Facts.

It never happened. And if it isn't on TV then it is confirmed it never happened.
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Eugene Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-15-07 06:24 AM
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9. BBC: Russian held over killing video
Source: BBC News

Last Updated: Wednesday, 15 August 2007, 10:52 GMT 11:52 UK

Russian held over killing video

A man who says he posted a video on the internet
which appears to show the murder of two men, has
surrendered to Russian police, reports say.

The man was being questioned in the town of Maikop,
in southern Russia, officials told Russian media.

-snip-

Russian police are investigating the authenticity
of the video.

-snip-

The suspect is reportedly a young man who is a
follower of far right-wing ideas.

He is not suspected of producing the material but
of distributing it over the internet, a Russian
interior ministry official was quoted by Interfax
news agency as saying.

-snip-

Read more: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/6946810.stm
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