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TechBear_Seattle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-31-07 03:06 PM
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UN backs Darfur peacekeeper force
Source: BBC

The United Nations Security Council has approved a resolution to send a peacekeeping force to Sudan's troubled Darfur region.

Up to 26,000 personnel - the world's largest peacekeeping force - will be deployed in a joint UN and African Union effort.

The Security Council backed the force in a unanimous vote after negotiations secured crucial Chinese support.

At least 200,000 people are said to have died in Darfur.


Read more: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/6925187.stm
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Phoonzang Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-31-07 03:08 PM
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1. Kind of late now.... n/t
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TechBear_Seattle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-31-07 03:09 PM
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2. Indeed. The correct metaphor might be
... closing the barn gate after all the horses perished in the same fire which burned the barn to the ground.

But maybe it's the thought that counts. :shrug:
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dipsydoodle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-31-07 03:19 PM
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3. Would that be the one
which did or didn't allow then to use force where necessary ?
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Akoto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-01-07 09:37 AM
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4. U.N. approves sending 26,000 troops to Darfur
Source: MSNBC

UNITED NATIONS - The U.N. Security Council approved a 26,000-strong peacekeeping force for Darfur on Tuesday to try to help end four years of fighting that has killed more than 200,000 people in the vast Sudanese region.

The force — the first joint peacekeeping mission by the African Union and the United Nations — will replace the beleaguered 7,000-strong AU force now in Darfur no later than Dec. 31.

U.N. Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon called it a “historic and unprecedented resolution” that will send “a clear and powerful signal” of the U.N.’s commitment to help to the people of Darfur and the surrounding region “and close this tragic chapter in Sudan’s history.”

Read more: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/20056711/
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That Is Quite Enough Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-01-07 09:37 AM
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5. Finally someone's doing something...
Edited on Wed Aug-01-07 12:00 AM by Snicker-snack
I'm glad the UN's stepping up to the task of peacekeeping.

Upon edit: No disrespect meant to the AU forces who were already there.
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Gregorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-01-07 09:37 AM
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6. Maybe the endless donations we've made paid off.
It's way overdue. Poor people.
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Help me help Earth Donating Member (217 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-01-07 09:37 AM
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7. Hopefully this will stop the violence.
Any word on whether the Sudanese anti-gov fighters will agree to the cease fire clause?
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pretty_lies Donating Member (155 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-01-07 09:37 AM
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8. Didn't We Kill Over Three Times More In Iraq?
Where's the UN force for that?

Oops, that's a forbidden topic for the US-controlled UN...
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Igel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-01-07 12:16 PM
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14. Depends on what the meaning of 'kill' is. n/t
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-01-07 09:37 AM
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JudyM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-01-07 09:37 AM
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10. “A clear and powerful signal” after 4 years and 200,000 deaths...
Better late than never, but really.

:eyes: x(
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LadyAziz Donating Member (274 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-01-07 09:37 AM
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11. Finally but will it be enough to stop the genocide
I am Sudanese and I still remember the gungfights, curfews, the constant fear that we would be killed like the others. I don't hear a lot of Sudanese people talking about the troubles in Darfur I think the mainly because it's Arabs (who a really black and delusional) against African Muslims. It sounds weird but a lot of Sudanese ppl are hostile to Islam and Muslims. In a way they were the root of Sudan's problems but then Sudanese tribes turned on each other. If feel Sudan and all of Africa are pathetic, people are acting like savages. We have decades long wars, starvation, bad governments, Aids etc.... After all this years no progress in sight. Sometimes it is so shameful to African when all of these problems are going on. God help us all. I sometimes wonder if God is punishing us for something.:-(
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Vidar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-01-07 09:37 AM
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12. Sounds like good news for a region that badly needs it.
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maddezmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-01-07 09:37 AM
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13. Sudan accepts UN resolution on Darfur force
KHARTOUM (AFP) - Sudan ended months of stonewalling on Wednesday by accepting a UN resolution approving a joint African Union-UN peacekeeping force in Darfur where more than 200,000 people have died in four years.

"We announce our acceptance of the resolution," Foreign Minister Lam Akol told journalists the day after the council unanimously approved the 26,000-strong force for Darfur.

After months of diplomatic wrangling aimed at replacing an under-equipped AU force of 7,000, the resolution authorised the world's largest peacekeeping force to take charge of what the UN has called the world's greatest humanitarian catastrophe.

In addition to the huge death toll, more than one third of Darfur's six-million population has been displaced as a result of what the United States has branded a genocidal campaign by Khartoum against rebels.

more:http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20070801/ts_afp/sudandarfurun_10
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DutchLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-01-07 07:09 PM
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15. NOT a good decision. I talked to Jan Pronk, former Special UN Representative to Darfur.
Edited on Wed Aug-01-07 07:13 PM by DutchLiberal
Johannes "Jan" Pieter Pronk (born 16 March 1940 in Scheveningen, The Hague) is a Dutch politician and diplomat. He was the Special Representative of the Secretary-General and Head of Mission for the United Nations Mission in Sudan, a mandate that expired at the end of 2006. He is now a Professor of Theory and Practice of International Development at ISS, the Institute of Social Studies, at The Hague.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jan_Pronk

He talked about the conflict in Darfur during a convention called 'A struggle for peace', held in Utrecht, The Netherlands in June of this year.

He told us that, in his opinion (based on his experiences in Darfur), it isn't a good idea to impose a UN peace-keeping force upon Sudan and its inhabitants. Because they would be seen as invaders, as occupiers and not as liberators. It would remind the local people of the colonial age, where white people came into their country to control them and their land. (This point of view can even play into the hands of the Janjaweed militias, which are now attacking the black population of Darfur. They might be able to get that very same population to rise against the 'foreign occupation force'. --My own thoughts.)

Also, a peace-keeping force is useless unless there's already established peace, said Pronk. He's right. He cited the Rwanda genocide as an example where UN peace-keeping forces in the country couldn't do anything to protect the citizens, because they were only there for "peace-keeping" and they had no mandate to prevent aggression against Rwandan people. The UN-force that's going to Darfur will very likely suffer from this, too, since their mandate again is very strict.

Should we then NOT do something about the genocide in Dar fur? No, was Pronk's answer. What 'we', the Western world, should have done, was keeping our promises with regard to the African Union, which is now in Darfur with far too few troops and not nearly enough equipment. The West had promised the AU to get all the money they needed to be an effective force in Darfur to protect the citizens. The AU was not seen as an occupying or colonial force, because they weren't white and not Western. They were seen as protectors. But the West didn't keep its promise, Pronk said. 'We' didn't give enough money, maybe only half of the promised money, but far, far too little.

We needed to properly fund the AU and make sure they'd have enough money to have enough troops on the ground with an effective mandate and get the proper equipment to protect the people in Darfur. And we should find a diplomatic answer as soon as possible.

But more important, Pronk said, we didn't engage in finding a political solution for Sudan. We didn't put our efforts in finding a political future not only for Darfur, but for the entire country. Because Darfur isn't the only conflict in Sudan. There has been a bloody civil war between north and south that was ended only a few years ago. What was the conflict about? All the country's oil resources are located in the middle of the country, on the 'border' between north and south. The government in Khartoum in the north, denied the south income from the oil recourses. The south is very impoverished. Also, another reason is the north is mainly Arabic and the south are blacks. I heard Pronk tell the Arabs used to sell the black people as slaves to Europeans. I forgot how this fitted in, but I'm sure this contrast will have fueled the conflict only more, especiaaly since the government in the north denied income to the south. Now the UN has made peace between north and south, but promised the south that they can vote in 2011 if they will stay with the north as one country or become independent. But Pronk is VERY, VERY worried about 2011.

What if in 2011, the south votes to stay with the north as one country? They will only do so if they think the peace has given them advantages. But here again, the West didn't keep its promise: poverty has not gone down, the hunger in the region is a great problem still and very little people have a change of a better life. So if they stay together, their situation will never get better, especially because Khartoum will continue to bully them. But Pronk hopes that, despite all that misery, they stay together as one country. Because if they vote to become independent, the UN HAS to acknowledge that because it made that promise, but Khartoum will not tolerate that and start another war. Plus, in other countries in the region, which are all unstable, conflicts and maybe new civil wars will be the result, as people over there will look at south-Sudan and want the same thing.

Pronk fears, and I agree, that in 2011, the world will face yet another 'Rwanda' in Sudan.
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