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superconnected Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-19-07 02:13 PM
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Swedish woman gets superfast Internet - no limitiations to internet speed
Source: Yahoo News

STOCKHOLM, Sweden - She is a latecomer to the information superhighway, but 75-year-old Sigbritt Lothberg is now cruising the Internet with a dizzying speed. Lothberg's 40 gigabits-per-second fiber-optic connection in Karlstad is believed to be the fastest residential uplink in the world, Karlstad city officials said.

In less than 2 seconds, Lothberg can download a full-length movie on her home computer — many thousand times faster than most residential connections, said Hafsteinn Jonsson, head of the Karlstad city network unit.

Jonsson and Lothberg's son, Peter, worked together to install the connection.

The speed is reached using a new modulation technique that allows the sending of data between two routers placed up to 1,240 miles apart, without any transponders in between, Jonsson said.



Read more: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070719/ap_on_hi_te/sweden_high_speed_internet



This is a big deal for internet media - ie downloading a movie in 2 seconds makes internet finally a viable distribution forum and not one on crutches as it is now.

"We wanted to show that that there are no limitations to Internet speed," he said."
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YOY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-19-07 02:15 PM
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1. 40 gigabits-per-second ????
:crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy:
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silverojo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-20-07 01:16 AM
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32. Holy screamin' downloads, Batman!
Think of all the Linux distros you could download and try out!
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Tesha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-20-07 07:43 AM
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39. So you can get a "404" error in like 20 nanoseconds? (NT)
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soothsayer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-19-07 02:16 PM
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2. dayum.
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TransitJohn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-19-07 02:17 PM
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3. So much porn!
Dayum indeed.
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YOY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-19-07 02:34 PM
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7. That is over 80 megafaps a nanosecond!
n/t
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TransitJohn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-19-07 02:48 PM
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12. Nice one!
:spray: :rofl:
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sakabatou Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-19-07 04:35 PM
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20. LMAO
:spray:
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-19-07 07:50 PM
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28. How much is that in furlongs per fortnight? n/t
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Tesha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-20-07 07:43 AM
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40. A lot. (NT)
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Jackpine Radical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-20-07 09:01 AM
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45. How long is a fur?
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Vidar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-20-07 07:05 AM
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38. There go another 30 hard drives.
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Larissa238 Donating Member (373 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-19-07 02:20 PM
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4. Even if we had that in the US, we still have to worry about net neutrality
We may be able to download videos from Faux news fast, but if we wanted to read DU we would have to wait half a day.
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Tom Joad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-19-07 02:21 PM
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5. I wonder how fast a computer can download... based on limitations of
the 'puter to process the info, not only the speed of the connection.
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Yael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-19-07 02:28 PM
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6. Theres really nothing to process
It is in the speed at which the packets that make up the whole file are transferred across the network. The only limitation on the computer would be in its connection to that network.
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Vinnie From Indy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-19-07 02:37 PM
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8. Well, that and the speed of light
It's not just a good idea, it's the law!
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ixion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-19-07 04:02 PM
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15. unless you're on the quantum level
where all bets are off. ;-)
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melody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-19-07 04:31 PM
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19. Hey, we could download tomorrow's movies today! n/t
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ixion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-19-07 04:41 PM
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21. lol... true
any move ever made in the histories of time in any dimension. :rofl:
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greyl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-19-07 02:40 PM
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10. However, the fastest drives can only write at around 100megabytes per second.
I think that means a 100 gig drive at that speed would fill itself up in 16 minutes. (is that right?)
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file83 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-20-07 01:10 AM
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30. Considering it takes about 90 seconds for my hardrive to write a 700 megabyte file (movie) from
one hard drive to another hardrive, this "2 seconds" stuff is bullshit.

First of all, "40 megabits" translates into 5 megabytes. I don't know any movie (of any reasonable resolution) that consists of only 10 megabytes (40 megabits X 2 seconds = 80 megabits or 10 megabytes).

In reality, it would take about 140 seconds, not 2 seconds.

Most compressed movie files available for download are around 700 megabytes - if you want a full DVD quality video it'll run you about 4.7 Gigabytes (or 38502 megabits). That means it would take you about 16 minutes to download an entire DVD quality movie.

2 seconds? Bullshit. Impossible because of common hard drive write limit capabilities.
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silverojo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-20-07 01:18 AM
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33. But couldn't a flash drive write at faster speeds?
With no moving parts...? Inquiring minds wanna know!
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Tesha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-20-07 07:53 AM
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43. Writing to Flash is *MUCH* slower than writing to disk.
It's inherent in the physical processes that
we currently use to write to the Flash.

Tesha
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Tesha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-20-07 07:51 AM
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42. FYI: "Gigabits", not "Megabits"...
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Crayson Donating Member (463 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-20-07 03:04 AM
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35. can my computer save 40 GB to the harddrive in 2 seconds?

the first 2GB go into the memory banks directly.
but after that...
I doubt it....
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IronLionZion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-19-07 04:02 PM
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14. and how fast for a hard drive to write that data to disk to store it
Regular hard drives can't save that fast. But it's pretty damn fast. I really want this to take off, like really bad. This opens up a lot of doors for multimedia distribution. Internet TV (like DemocracyNOW) can get a lot better if this technology were more accessible to ordinary folks.
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redacted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-19-07 04:53 PM
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23. Right, but the new superjumbo Flash hard drive replacements are very fast indeed
if money is no object. That will probably get better soon.
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Tesha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-20-07 07:49 AM
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41. At 40 Gbits/sec...
At 40 Gbits/sec, you're talking 5 Gbytes/sec which
converts to 200 nanoseconds per byte. To a first
approximation, this is about the same as the speed
of a typical PC's main memory (RAM), so when the\
computer is downloading, it has no more power
left to do anything else.

It certainly can't save to the disk cache at that
sort of speed, let alone display pictures, HTML,
or anything else at that sort of speed. In fact,
Amdahl's Other Law suggests that this data stream
is about twice too fast to be processed by modern
PCs.

But it is an interesting technological demo.

Reference:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amdahl%27s_Law (See "Amdahl's Rule of Thumb")

Tesha
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razorman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-19-07 02:38 PM
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9. And yet, within six months of getting onto this new system,
we will all be bitching that it is too slow. We will want our movies in ONE second!
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pokercat999 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-19-07 04:18 PM
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17. Screw that I want them before I even KNOW I want them!
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snooper2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-19-07 02:43 PM
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11. What is her NIC running at, 100Meg, 1Gig?
very incomplete story....nothing about this "new" modulation technique..
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file83 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-20-07 01:11 AM
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31. Yeah, it's bullshit. It's only in theory - no one can supply that kind of data rate, let alone
her hard drive can't keep up with it.
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skids Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-20-07 06:33 AM
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37. The technique is probably solitons.
Edited on Fri Jul-20-07 06:34 AM by skids
...and when they say "no repeaters" are needed they probably are not counting EDF amplifiers.

Not to diminish it, the soliton stuff is pretty groundbreaking.

The NIC is probably either a prestandard 40G ethernet or a boutique OC-768, or 4 multiplexed 10G cards.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soliton_%28optics%29

(I'm not sure if the soliton stuff can be used over any old singlemode longhaul fiber or only specific types.)
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northzax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-19-07 02:52 PM
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13. yeah, but the wifi is still slow (nt)
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Prisoner_Number_Six Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-19-07 04:17 PM
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16. I. WANT. IT. NOW.
OTOH, do you realize how many hard drives one would have to purchase to keep up with all the downloads??????
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Jackpine Radical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-19-07 04:23 PM
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18. We're overdue for some mass-storage breakthroughs.
I'm betting that in 5 years, HDDs will be quint antiques. There will be some kind of cheap, super-solid state technology.
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Prisoner_Number_Six Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-19-07 10:54 PM
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29. A couple years back IBM made a terrabyte storage breakthrough
Shortly after that they sold their entire IDE hard drive operation to Hitachi. Rumor had it they needed the capital to develop the new drives. So you're definitely right- look for a new storage technology to break out sometime within the next two or three (computer technology) generations...
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Tesha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-20-07 07:54 AM
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44. Don't bet more than a beer or two. (NT)
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redacted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-19-07 04:54 PM
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24. Me too! How did this fellow pull it off?
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reprobate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-19-07 04:43 PM
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22. And the US ranks number 13 in broadband distribution. Don't hold your breath.
Edited on Thu Jul-19-07 04:44 PM by reprobate

This is something that must be a public investment. Private enterprise is too slow to capitalize large investments with long delays in returns.

Capitalism is not the answer to everything. That's why we're number 13.

Reference here
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Rosa Luxemburg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-19-07 04:57 PM
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25. I'm moving to Sweden!
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silverojo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-20-07 01:19 AM
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34. I'm familiar with the language
Want me to tutor you? :D
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Blue_Tires Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-19-07 04:57 PM
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26. where can i sign up?
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stevelee67 Donating Member (16 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-19-07 05:29 PM
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27. um... wow...
the whole swedish erotica collection in under an hour...

i think there is going to be a run on mass storage devices if this ever becomes mainstream.
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psychopomp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-20-07 05:33 AM
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36. Likely she will not experience the superfast dl speeds you anticipate
After all, the bottleneck will be on the other end. In other words, she is limited by the transfer rate of the sender.
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