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meegbear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-16-07 11:11 AM
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'Chastity ring' girl loses case
Source: BBC News

A 16-year-old girl was not discriminated against when she was banned from wearing a "purity ring" in school, the High Court has ruled.

Lydia Playfoot was told by Millais School in Horsham, West Sussex, to remove her ring - which symbolises chastity - or face expulsion.

The school had denied breaching her human rights and said it was "delighted" with the outcome.

Miss Playfoot said she was "very disappointed" by the decision.

Read more: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/6900512.stm



BREACHING HER HUMAN RIGHTS!?!?
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liberal N proud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-16-07 11:17 AM
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1. WHAT?
1. If a chastity ring is what I think it is, how did the school know she had one?
2. Again, if it is what I think and it would be out of sight, what business is it of the schools? Do they do panty checks?
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Paulie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-16-07 11:19 AM
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2. Um, that's a Chastity Belt
This is a ring, she wears on her finger, when she goes through a "marriage" ceremony with her father to claim she will not have sex until marriage.

She can put it on her toe if she really wants to...
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peace13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-16-07 11:20 AM
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6. marriage" ceremony with her father ?
That sounds gross!
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DBoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-16-07 11:49 AM
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33. see what happens when you allow gay marriage
all sorts of strange things become permittted.

</snark>


Yeah, people who think gay marriage is an abomination are having fathers "marry" their daughters?
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liberal N proud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-16-07 11:23 AM
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11. And there is a problem with her wearing a ring on her finger?
Most teenage girls have one or more rings they wear. Schools sell class rings.

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Beaverhausen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-16-07 12:26 PM
Response to Reply #11
39. This school has a "no jewelry" policy for all students
She and her parents knew it when they enrolled her. She could change schools if this ring is so important to her.
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Ken Burch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-17-07 01:41 AM
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59. Oh, it's a "no jewelry" thing. I thought it was seen as a religious thing.
I'm fine with the school doing this.

I think Children's Services should ask some questions about this whole concept.
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Javaman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-17-07 10:11 AM
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69. Blingless school. LOL nt
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Javaman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-17-07 10:11 AM
Response to Reply #11
68. I'm thinking it was the bells on her toes there were concerned about...
:rofl: sorry, couldn't resist.
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peace13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-16-07 11:19 AM
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3. Nope this one was to keep her finger pure! n/t
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LiberalFighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-16-07 11:55 AM
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35. She could use her other fingers? Was the chasity finger
for when she got married and then she could use it? WOW!!
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TankLV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-17-07 12:44 AM
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56. I wonder what her boyfriend does with his Prince Albert?!
Inquiring minds want to know...
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Javaman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-17-07 10:12 AM
Response to Reply #56
71. He has to let him out now and then so he doesn't "suffocate" LOLOLOL nt
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demgurl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-16-07 11:20 AM
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5. A chastity ring is a piece of jewelry.
It is like any other. I am not sure if she wore her ring on her finger or on a necklace around her neck but the school had a policy about wearing jewelry and she cried foul like fundies often do.
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Tanuki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-16-07 11:20 AM
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7. Fortunately, it's NOT what you think
The girl wears it on her hand like a wedding ring as a pledge to "wait till she's married." I'm glad that the school prevailed.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Purity_ring
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liberal N proud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-16-07 11:23 AM
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13. Thank god
That is scary
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ProudDad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-16-07 01:28 PM
Response to Reply #7
44. Does this mean they can only use the other 9
to masturbate???
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Drifter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-16-07 11:21 AM
Response to Reply #1
8. I would have to think ...
that it is NOT what you think. I think you're are thinking of a Chastity Belt.

I think the ring is a normal (finger) ring that symbolizes her pledge to chastity.
I pray that I am correct.

Cheers
Drifter
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meegbear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-16-07 11:27 AM
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22. The school has a ban on students wearing jewelry ....
they originally argued that it shouldn't be considered jewelry, since it's not being used for decorative purposes.
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tularetom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-16-07 11:20 AM
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4. I don't know where to start - hate to defend her
but unless she was wearing the ring through a visible nip piercing (or worse) why would a friggin ring bother anybody?

Understand I think the concept of a "purity ring" is ludicrous and appeals mostly to adults who don't want to believe their daughters are out there doin the horizontal hootchy koo.

And WTF is with that name? Lydia Playfoot?

But I still don't get why they get so hot and bothered about a god damn ring.
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Tanuki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-16-07 11:22 AM
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10. Nobody else at the school is allowed to wear jewelry of any kind,
due to the school uniform policy, so why should she be an exception?
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Tom Joad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-16-07 11:24 AM
Response to Reply #10
16. why should there be such a stupid rule?
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Tempest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-16-07 11:25 AM
Response to Reply #16
19. That's really not the issue here
You'll have to take up the reason for the policy with the school.
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pitohui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-16-07 11:37 AM
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29. everyone else has to follow the rules, religious fascists don't gets to be special

schools have rules against jewelry for a number of good and sound reasons, including that in a few areas jewelry including religious symbols such as the crucifix have been annezed by some gangs as a secret symbol, and the risk of theft and disputes, also there is an issue of class since jewelry is a major status symbol and a big way that we signal class in this world

there is no reason a 16 year old needs to wear jewelry in a school where no one else is allowed to wear any jewelry

rules should be for all, not just for us little people

she is not special just because her dad is a creep and she's pledged her virginity to him, well, she may be "special" in the mental health sense i suppose
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endarkenment Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-16-07 02:35 PM
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48. Why should she get an exception to a stupid rule?
That is the point, the idiocy of the rule is not relevant.
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TheMadMonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-17-07 01:49 AM
Response to Reply #16
60. I can think of several.
Theft, injury, jealousy, gangs, religion. As stupid rules go, it's a lot less stupid than most.
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-16-07 11:43 AM
Response to Reply #10
30. actually, the school made exceptions for religious symbols, IIRC. The 'chastity ring' is not
a religious symbol.
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BearSquirrel2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-16-07 11:47 AM
Response to Reply #30
31. How about ...
Edited on Mon Jul-16-07 11:50 AM by BearSquirrel2
Howes about der flyin' spaghetti monster pendant?

Garsh, pirates are figured for wearin' their plunder so any types of jewelry really should be allowed. After all, its te stop global warming ... ARRRRGGGGHHH!!!!!



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marshall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-17-07 07:46 AM
Response to Reply #10
66. She thought an exception would be made
Rules also prevented students from wearing hats and scarves, but exceptions were made to allow fundie Muslim girls to wear their head drapes. This girl thought she could get an exception too. Stupid girl.
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demgurl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-16-07 11:23 AM
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12. It wasn't the type of ring that bothered them.
The school had a policy about wearing jewelry and this girl felt she should be the exception since it is a 'religious' thing. Perhaps if all people in her religion were made to wear it she would have a point but since it is more of a personal belief, that they tie into their religious beliefs, she didn't have a leg to stand on. She knew the jewelry policy when she attended the school.
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nini Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-16-07 11:24 AM
Response to Reply #4
15. the issue is it's a school rule that doesn't allow jewelry
They decided the ring was not of religious meaning therefore wasn't an exemption.
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Tempest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-16-07 11:25 AM
Response to Reply #4
17. School policy forbid wearing jewelry
The ring violated the school policy.
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Dhalgren Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-16-07 11:26 AM
Response to Reply #4
20. It's a private school with a "no jewelry" rule. Ms Playfoot wanted an
exception to be made for her virgin ring and the school said no...
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tularetom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-16-07 11:48 AM
Response to Reply #4
32. Sorry - should've read the link before I replied
I didn't realize she wanted an exception to the school's no jewelry policy. She ain't entitled to a pass because it's a purity ring.
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CJCRANE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-16-07 11:54 AM
Response to Reply #4
34. "Lydia Playfoot"
Maybe she's a hobbit and that's why she has a fascination with the Ring...
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BlueInPhilly Donating Member (341 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-16-07 12:56 PM
Response to Reply #4
41. Couldn't have come up with a better porn name
LYDIA PLAYFOOT!!! :rofl:

Or maybe Linda... LINDA goes very well with PLAYFOOT.

July 2012:

Lydia Playfoot, known for going to court (and losing)so she could wear a chastity ring, has now starred in several adult films. She is known in the porn industry as Linda Playfoot.
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Dogmudgeon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-17-07 10:12 AM
Response to Reply #41
70. There was a Rev. Oral Blow, too
A hundred years ago, but it was probably still just as meaningful.

--p!
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LostinVA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-17-07 01:32 PM
Response to Reply #4
77. No jewelry allowed -- which isn't a bad thing, imo
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dipsydoodle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-16-07 11:21 AM
Response to Original message
9. The school have however agreed.
to allow her to continue to clutch an M&M between her knees.
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liberal N proud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-16-07 11:25 AM
Response to Reply #9
18. LOL
:rofl:
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Jeff In Milwaukee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-16-07 11:35 AM
Response to Reply #18
28. My neighbor's advice to his teenaged daughter...
Aspirin can prevent pregnancy. Just hold it between your knees.
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poverlay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-16-07 03:00 PM
Response to Reply #9
50. LMAO. Thanks. That's the best laugh I've had all day. All I keep thinking, for some reason while
reading this article, is: "These people need to get laid...".
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bumblebee1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-17-07 12:44 AM
Response to Reply #9
57. m&m?
Maybe a Smartie. That's the British version of M&Ms. However, I think Smarties are smaller than M&Ms.
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dipsydoodle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-17-07 03:41 AM
Response to Reply #57
61. Majority on DU
are American so I used a user friendly expression to suit - M&Ms. Didn't know that many would know what Smarties are unless they are sold your side too.
Yes - here I would say a Smartie and the joke actually goes back to when the birth control pill was first intro'd............lol.
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Norrin Radd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-17-07 05:00 AM
Response to Reply #61
62. Our Smarties are different:
Edited on Tue Jul-17-07 05:03 AM by Progs Rock
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dipsydoodle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-17-07 05:39 AM
Response to Reply #62
63. I used to be touchy about the USA and Smarties
Edited on Tue Jul-17-07 05:39 AM by edwardlindy
A long time ago the FDA effectively banned the red ones............lol. It was to do with the dye that's used - cochineal : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cochineal
That meant we lost the red ones too and landed up with blue ones which looked ridiculous - I've been munching Smarties for at least 50 years. Eventually we got the red ones back again.
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bumblebee1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-17-07 12:50 PM
Response to Reply #61
76. I understand completely,edwardlindy.
You could probably get Smarties on this side of the pond. You might have to go to a specialty candy shop for them.
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Tom Joad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-16-07 11:24 AM
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14. school does not allow free expression. pathetic but traditional.
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Tempest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-16-07 11:27 AM
Response to Reply #14
21. Not true
She's still free to pronounce her decision to stay celibate until she's married.

She just can't wear a ring.
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Dhalgren Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-16-07 11:30 AM
Response to Reply #14
23. Her parents should put her in another school. I assume that they wanted this
private school and eschewed the public school. They should look for a school that allows bling...
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dipsydoodle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-16-07 11:32 AM
Response to Reply #23
26. Millais isn't a Private School.
Edited on Mon Jul-16-07 11:35 AM by edwardlindy
It's a normal State Comprehensive School.
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Dhalgren Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-16-07 11:57 AM
Response to Reply #26
36. My bad. The "girls school" thing threw me.
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LanternWaste Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-16-07 12:28 PM
Response to Reply #14
40. Odd way to look at it.
Odd way to look at it. When jewelry and clothing are the only means for freedom of expression for an individual, I'm forced to assume the individual has little thought, wit, creativity or imagination...
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dipsydoodle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-16-07 11:30 AM
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24. Have you all realised this is a GIRLS school ?
Exactly what would have been he point of wearing the ring with boys about. :shrug:
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Dhalgren Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-16-07 11:32 AM
Response to Reply #24
25. If you wear the ring it means you're "good", if you don't have the ring
it means you're a whore (or something along those lines).
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poverlay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-16-07 03:07 PM
Response to Reply #25
52. These are the kinds of girls who like anal because it keeps their hymens intact. At least their
parents won't have to raise their children...
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bumblebee1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-17-07 12:45 AM
Response to Reply #52
58. BJs are also another option. n/t
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pitohui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-16-07 11:34 AM
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27. good fair is fair
i'm tired of the religious fuckwits who think the rules are only for the little people

no jewelry means no jewelry

next question?
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-16-07 12:08 PM
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37. "Based on conservative Christian theology and until recently funded by the U.S. federal government,
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-16-07 12:24 PM
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38. good. n/t
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ClintonTyree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-16-07 12:59 PM
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42. Blatant religious persecution....
oh, come on, SOMEONE had to say it! Why not DU's most avowed atheist? :rofl:
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poverlay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-16-07 03:11 PM
Response to Reply #42
53. As Dennis from Monty Python's "Holy Grail would say: "Help! Help! I'm being repressed!" n/t
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Fresh_Start Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-16-07 01:07 PM
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43. I hope it cost her family a pretty penny
since it certainly cost the school and indirectly her classmates.
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Bridget Burke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-16-07 03:14 PM
Response to Reply #43
54. No, the Lawyers' Christian Fellowship & Christian Concern for the Nation footed the bill.
Just as Religious Rightists do in this country. So they can make the news & cry "persecution!" The Silver Ring Thing in the UK just happens to be based out of Mr Playfoot's church.

www.silverringthing.org.uk/aboutus_ukteam.asp#PhilPlayf...

And I didn't know this:

The Silver Ring Thing program received more than $1 million from the U.S. government for its abstinence education work until funding was discontinued in 2006....

"Lydia really is in many ways a microcosm of something much bigger that's happening in our culture, where in the (United Kingdom), Christians' views and values are being sidelined," he said. "You're basically being told, 'You can believe what you like, but don't let it impact into the public sphere.'"


www.christianpost.com/article/20070624/28137_British_Co...



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dipsydoodle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-17-07 05:45 AM
Response to Reply #43
64. If she'd kept "her hand on her ha'penny"
Edited on Tue Jul-17-07 05:46 AM by edwardlindy
she wouldn't have needed the ring. :rofl:

That's an old music hall song. Ha'penny is abb. of half penny but that might be a meaningless expression in the USA
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HockeyMom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-16-07 01:32 PM
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45. No jewelry in my Catholic school (uniforms)
Yep, that even included CROSSES. They said it could turn into a competition to see who could buy and wear the most elaborate (EXPENSIVE)cross. We were supposed to all look the same. Baaaaaaa.

I used to feel sorry for the girls with pieced ears walking around with empty holes in their ears. It looked dumb, but they took them out before school and put them back in after school.

That girl could do the same with her ring; off before school, on after school.

We survived and so will she.
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Zenlitened Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-16-07 02:05 PM
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46. I guess the "Ask me about my hymen!" lapel pin is right out, then?

:shrug:




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Ex Lion Tamer Donating Member (445 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-16-07 02:11 PM
Response to Reply #46
47. You owe me a monitor.
Very nice!
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guitar man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-16-07 02:59 PM
Response to Reply #46
49. ROFLMAO!!!!
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
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poverlay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-16-07 03:02 PM
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51. This has got to be the most funny thread I have read in ages! ROFLMAO...Thanks!. n/t
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LostinVA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-17-07 01:34 PM
Response to Reply #46
78. OMG -- hahahhahaha
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sakabatou Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-16-07 10:49 PM
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55. LMAO
What a larf.
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peace frog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-17-07 07:00 AM
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65. So OK, she is banned from wearing the purity ring
Here's a thought: wear a red sash around the waist to signify membership in the Junior Anti-Sex League.
Winston Smith would be proud.
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Javaman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-17-07 10:09 AM
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67. I just can't get past her last name. nt
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Bake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-17-07 10:37 AM
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72. Seems to me there is a bit of hypocrisy here on ol' DU.
Many here are applauding the decision simply because they find the "purity ring" concept offensive (as do I), and there are all sorts of "rules are rules, dammit!" comments. Personally, I find the "no jewelry" rule about as stupid as most other school "zero-tolerance" policies. If this kid had been expelled for wearing a "Buck Fush" ring, I suspect many here would be leaping to her defense and decrying the rule as ridiculously intolerant.

It all depends on whose ox is being gored. And that's pathetic.

Bake
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muriel_volestrangler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-17-07 11:25 AM
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73. But you have no evidence for your charge of hypocrisy
which ought to be born in mind. You suspect you know what the reaction would be. But you shouldn't call it 'pathetic' when it's just your idea of what might happen.
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Bake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-17-07 11:30 AM
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74. The evidence is in the cheering for the decision and the support for the rule
Which HAS been expressed in this thread.

And I've been around here long enough to guess the rest ...

Bake
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muriel_volestrangler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-17-07 11:55 AM
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75. You do not know that the members who support the school in this
would also be members who would say a ring with an anti Bush or Blair ring should be allowed. You're just making that up. It can't be dignified with the term 'guess'.
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