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dipsydoodle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-14-07 03:40 AM
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Russia pulls out of key arms pact
Source: BBC News

Russian President Vladimir Putin has suspended involvement in one of the key Cold War arms control treaties.
In a statement, the Kremlin said the choice was due to "extraordinary circumstances" affecting security.

Russia has been angered by US plans to base parts of a missile defence system in Poland and the Czech Republic.

The Conventional Forces in Europe Treaty limits the number of heavy weapons deployed between the Atlantic Ocean and the Urals mountains.

Read more: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/6898690.stm
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NMDemDist2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-14-07 03:50 AM
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1. K&N
this isn't good kids, with the drum beat to attack Iran and Putin pulling his diplomats, he's ready to go to the mat if we strike again

:scared:
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-14-07 04:11 AM
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2. Well, that was a productive meeting, wasn't it, George?
We're gonna have to thank you for that world war you push us into.

Putin's laughing up your ass.
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wakeme2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-14-07 04:24 AM
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3. Well both Sr and Jr did well in Maine
:grr:

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Hubert Flottz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-14-07 07:39 AM
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12. The big one got away!
The Keystone Statesmen strike out again...
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YDogg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-14-07 10:24 AM
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23. Yeah. Putin prolly thought, "What a couple of rubes!"
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dipsydoodle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-14-07 11:51 AM
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25. More likely
what a couple of pubes especially given their family name.
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demoleft Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-14-07 04:34 AM
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4. Funny, I got the feeling he would have done it anyway...
...no matter Bush.

It's part of His Majesty's imperial plan to make Russia great as it was with the Zar and the Communist Party.
When people suffered and injustice - at home and abroad - was in charge.

Strange how Europe is stepping back to its pre-1916 map. I'm considering going to get the old atlas out of the closet...

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dipsydoodle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-14-07 04:48 AM
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5. "stepping back to its pre-1916 map"
Edited on Sat Jul-14-07 04:50 AM by edwardlindy
at which point Irag and Israel wouldn't exist as countries and so many current issues would not then be material.

ps It's Czar.
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demoleft Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-14-07 05:15 AM
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7. Current issues that date back to pre-1916
..."and of course many current issues would not then be material"...

Like struggle for independence and racial identity that led to the Balkan wars during the 90's,
or Russia's weight on its neighbours,
or the battled wars - compared to the cold-wars -,
the Western Christian Crusades in the Holy Land (just read the language used by Bush and some careless words thrown in once in a while by Ratz agaist Islam),
the polemics against darwinism,
the (felt) danger of the "yellow threat" - the chinese people -,
anti-semitism, that is back to say hello to the new era and
some Church/Italy contrasts reappeared again as after 1861.

And yes, you're right, it's Czar. I wrote it in Italian.

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dipsydoodle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-14-07 05:54 AM
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8. Prego accepy le mie scuse.
Non mi ero reso conto che eravate Italiani.:toast:
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demoleft Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-14-07 06:37 AM
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10. You were right! No pardon needed!
Your correction is absolutely right! It's Czar.
You write good Italian!

:toast:
:hi: from Italy
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ooglymoogly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-14-07 09:43 AM
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19. fer sher
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jody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-14-07 04:55 AM
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6. December 13, 2001, * withdrew from the Anti-Ballistic Missile Treaty (ABM Treaty or ABMT).
Anti-Ballistic Missile Treaty

Following *'s lead, on January 10, 2003 North Korea withdrew from the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty.

Given Bush's plan to encircle Russia with ABM it's not unexpected that Russia would withdraw from the Treaty on Conventional Armed Forces in Europe (CFE)
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Theduckno2 Donating Member (905 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-14-07 06:08 AM
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9. If I remember correctly didn't the U.S. "opt out" of the ABM treaty?
It sounds less menacing and friendlier when stated that way.

Now Pootie-poot is opting out of the CFE treaty. That doesn't sound so bad does it? :sarcasm:
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David__77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-14-07 05:52 PM
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27. Bush set it in motion with the ABM withdrawal, yes.
Russia would be foolish to not take appropriate countermeasures. It's a testament to Putin's weakness that he waiting these years to do so.
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camero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-14-07 07:38 AM
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11. Thought something like this might happen
I was watching some TV when the "meeting" happened in Maine and with Bushie yakking how he and Putie get along real well, you could see the pissed off look on Putin's face. It was only a matter of time before things escalated.

Well, time to practice hiding under the desk again.
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conspirator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-14-07 07:50 AM
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13. bush is the anti-Christ. There is still plenty of time for him to start a world war
before leaving office.
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Maribelle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-14-07 08:12 AM
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16. Don't give the idiot Bush so much credit.
Bush is merely a pawn, a clown piece of the lowest value, on the board of evil, deliberately causing great harm and upset.
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conspirator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-14-07 10:36 AM
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24. You are right, he is the one who speaks for the anti-Christ n/t
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ChairmanAgnostic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-14-07 07:58 AM
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14. saw into his soul or sole, when he gave your policy das boot, did you?
foolish little george, never listening to his betters. Translation, never listening to others.

People warned him time and again about this probablity. but, no. He knows better than the egghead experts.

This small, foolish man will get us into a whirled war at this rate.
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ooglymoogly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-14-07 10:06 AM
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22. wha.....did sombody give sombody a boat and I missed it.
gotta watch the tube more.
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ooglymoogly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-14-07 04:23 PM
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26. "das boot" in German means "the boat"
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Snazzy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-14-07 08:08 AM
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15. These two seem kinda happy


Russian President Vladimir Putin, left, greets former U.S. Secretary of State Henry Kissinger during a meeting in the Novo-Ogaryovo residence outside Moscow, Friday, July 13, 2007. President Vladimir Putin said Friday that relations between the United States and Russia should be free of shifting political trends, as a group of influential top diplomats, ministers and Cabinet secretaries met for a conference on the two countries' uneasy relationship. (AP Photo/Sergei Chirikov, Pool)


More tanks for everybody!
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MetaTrope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-14-07 09:41 AM
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17. Space weapons, chemical weapons...Bush was trashing treaties like crazy in the first months of 2001
Putin's just walking the walk in the same way.
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gauguin57 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-14-07 09:42 AM
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18. Cripes! Thanks for nothin', Condaleeza "Russian Expert" Rice!
If she can't keep it together in the area of the world that is supposed to be her special area of expertise, why in the hell is she Secretary of State?!?!?
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ooglymoogly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-14-07 09:48 AM
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20. happy to be the fifth...
Our great leader is cheating at checkers however Putin is playing chess. What a statesmen our great humpty dumty is.
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Aviation Pro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-14-07 09:55 AM
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21. Congratulations Jerkoff....
...and Cocksucker, you restarted the Cold War.
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