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pepperbear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-27-07 02:07 AM
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Giuliani comes out against civil unions
Edited on Fri Apr-27-07 02:10 AM by pepperbear
Source: Raw Story

Michael Roston
Published: Thursday April 26, 2007

The political website of the New York Sun will report tomorrow that in a major reversal from an earlier position, former New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani now opposes civil unions between same sex partners.

An advance copy of an article sent to RAW STORY shows that the New York Republican has backed off his earlier support for civil unions, prompted by the passage of a law in New Hampshire's State Senate.


Read more: http://rawstory.com/news/2007/Exclusive_Giuliani_comes_...



Who had April? You win.

:eyes:

Why am I not surprised?
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Heidi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-27-07 02:21 AM
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1. Here's the link to the New York Sun article:
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maddezmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-27-07 02:33 AM
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3. I just read it 3x, I don't know what kind of civil unions he would support
Mayor Giuliani believes marriage is between one man and one woman. Domestic partnerships are the appropriate way to ensure that people are treated fairly," the Giuliani campaign said in a written response to a question from the Sun. "In this specific case the law states same sex civil unions are the equivalent of marriage and recognizes same sex unions from outside states. This goes too far and Mayor Giuliani does not support it."


What an asshat!
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Heidi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-27-07 02:39 AM
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4. Worse than an asshat: opposes equal human rights.
:thumbsdown:
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maddezmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-27-07 02:48 AM
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5. well I didn't want to get my post pulled for foul language
:hi:
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Heidi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-27-07 03:10 AM
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6. Hahahaha!
:spank: <--- spanking smilie in LBN. :shocking:
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WePurrsevere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-27-07 04:59 AM
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11. Ghouliani is not just that...
he's a flippin' hypocritical flip flopping POS whose only claim to (in)fam(y)e is 9-11 and I won't go into my opinion of that lower then pond scum on that issue. :grr:

~*~
OT: Crud... I just remembered that IOUaPM. :( I'm so sorry my friend. :blush: :hug:
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RUMMYisFROSTED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-27-07 03:45 PM
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38. Or one man and three women.
Mayor Giuliani believes marriage is between one man and one woman.
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Occulus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-27-07 02:29 AM
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2. Bigoted shithead motherfucker.
And I'm being polite.
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Consequences Donating Member (12 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-27-07 09:15 AM
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29. He isn't bigoted.
He just puts his political aspirations ahead of what he really believes. You have to do that in order to get ahead in the two major parties. If you don't hold their party politics, then you have no chance.
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ryanmuegge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-27-07 02:29 PM
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36. Just with abortion, the Republicans should be the ones in favor of this.
Edited on Fri Apr-27-07 03:11 PM by ryanmuegge
The government should have no say in this, right? Keep government out of private decisions, right?

With abortion: same privacy issues apply AND as long as the free market dictates a demand for it, it's ok, right? The market is amoral, right?
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-28-07 02:47 PM
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42. Being willing to keep equal rights from GLBT folk to win IS bigotry.
He probably wouldn't try to keep equal rights away from straights to win, would he?

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krispos42 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-27-07 03:25 AM
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7. They just don't get it
In a generation, 20-25 years, this will be a non-issue. Either the vast majority of American citizens will live in states that allow gay marriage (by any name), or gay marriage will be federal law and univerally recognized. The up-and-coming young people in their teens up to my age (31) are generally puzzled by this, and as the reactionary people die off the attitudes of the former will dominate until it becomes law.
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WePurrsevere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-27-07 04:46 AM
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10. Although I would see this denial of a human right corrected sooner...
I think (hope) that you're correct.

My daughters are slightly younger then you (25 & 29) and from what they've told me they and most of their friends don't understand why this is an issue either. Mind you they are very much a product of a very Progressive mother. ;)

OTOH I don't know that this change towards acceptance is just with younger people since I've seen a change in my fellow baby boomers and seniors of my parents generation. My DH's and my own family and their friends would be examples of this. I think some of this may be because as more of their (& their friends) children and grandchildren, whom they love and care about, come out of the closet they see how they struggle and feel and come to understand it's not a choice... it's not just about a sex drive... it's as much about the heart as it is/was for them. :)


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JerseygirlCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-27-07 11:19 AM
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33. And his backing off this stance, and his stance on choice
isn't going to help him any should he get the nomination.

I'd expect to see some re-calibrating if that happened.
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OneBlueSky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-27-07 03:28 AM
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8. this asshole will say and/or do ANYTHING to further his political career . . .
at least that what he thinks he's doing . . . and nowhere does he make any kind of credible argument for WHY gay marriage is wrong . . . just that "marriage is between a man and a woman" . . . says who? . . .

guess he can now add "flip-flopper" to "criminal" on his resume . . .
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BlueStater Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-27-07 04:02 AM
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9. He wouldn't even have a political career if not for 9/11
It's what he's basing his entire pathetic presidential campaign on.
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wordpix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-27-07 07:01 AM
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19. Mr. Did Not Get Communications to Work Between First Responders after the first WTC attack
should STFU. He had something like 9 years between the first World Trade Center attack and the 2nd and the communications was an issue from the first attack but by 911 '01 he still did nothing about communications between first responders. He also wink-winked with the head of EPA that there were no toxic issues at the burning WTC site on and immediately after 911, when any fool knew that burning plastic and metals are a toxic mix. Now WTC 911 first responders have lung-related health problems.

We need to shout out these realities to the sleeping American sheeple b/c this guy should be OUT of the repug race and soon! :puke:
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OneBlueSky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-28-07 09:22 AM
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39. I'd also like to know if Rudy was the one who gave the order to . . .
destroy evidence at a major crime scene, i.e. to get rid of the WTC steel before it could be examined by forensic investigators . . . most of it was sold for scrap, carted off and melted down before anyone knew what was happening . . . someone had to give that order, and I'd like to know if it was Giuliani -- and if so, why? . . .
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-27-07 05:00 AM
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12. He is looking worse each day.
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acmavm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-27-07 05:02 AM
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13. He says marriage is between 'a man and a woman' now? I notice he
doesn't put a limit on how many times that man and woman can tie the knot thought. Which, considering his track record, is understandable.
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Starbucks Anarchist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-27-07 07:12 AM
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21. One man, one woman at a time.
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LeFleur1 Donating Member (973 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-27-07 11:09 AM
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32. Marriage
Mayor Giuliani believes marriage is between one man and one woman.

It seems he believes in marriage between one man and several women. :)
You have to admit that listening to Guiliani stumble and bumble around is amusing at times. It's amazing that anyone pays any attention to him at all.
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CJCRANE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-27-07 05:18 AM
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14. "Giuliani comes out..." nice ironic title n/t
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Earth_First Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-27-07 06:57 AM
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18. My thoughts exactly...n/t
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bklyncowgirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-27-07 06:31 AM
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15. Rudy in competition with Romney to see who can flip the highest and fastest on social issues.
Mittens is still ahead but Rudy's catching up in the flip flop derby.

His ex roommates must be annoyed--you know, the gay guys he moved in with when his ex wouldn't let him move Judy into Gracie Mansion.
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gauguin57 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-27-07 06:41 AM
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16. Rudy is SUCH a hypocrite ... those guys pretty much took CARE of him on and after 9/11.
Edited on Fri Apr-27-07 06:42 AM by gauguin57
They cooked him dinner and provided him a nice home to come to after those long sad days at the time.

He called one of the gay partners "MOM."

And he'd now deny them civil union?

He's a bastard. Of the worst kind.

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bklyncowgirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-27-07 07:10 AM
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20. His legs ain't bad though--seriously for a middle aged straight guy drag queen.
Republican candidates throwing themselves off a cliff to pander to a party faithful that has grown so out of step with the majority of Americans that it isn't even funny.
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Roland99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-27-07 06:57 AM
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17. Flip flop! Flip flop! Flip flop! Flip flop! Flip flop! Flip flop!
Flip flop! Flip flop! Flip flop! Flip flop! Flip flop!
Flip flop! Flip flop! Flip flop! Flip flop! Flip flop!
Flip flop! Flip flop! Flip flop! Flip flop! Flip flop!
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Consequences Donating Member (12 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-27-07 09:13 AM
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27. Republicans don't care if their people flip flop.
If the neocons didn't care about Bushie going from pro-choice to anti-choice ("Bush said he...favors leaving up to a woman and her doctor the abortion question." ~The Nation, 6/15/00, quoting the Lubbock Avalanche-Journal, 5/78), they're not going to give another thought to this flip since it's a position they hold.
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Roland99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-27-07 09:21 AM
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30. Wanna see a boatload more of Bush's own Flip-Flopping?!
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Joe Bacon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-27-07 07:50 AM
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22. Benny Hill looks better in a dress, Rudy!
So does Hillary!
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mainer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-27-07 07:51 AM
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23. And to think his gay friends took him in as a houseguest!
This is how he repays friendship?
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annarbor Donating Member (543 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-27-07 08:36 AM
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24. Just about to make the identical comment...
Didn't he live with a gay couple when he split up from his first wife?

What a bastard.....that these people can be such hypocrites; look you in the eye and lie, is just frightening.

Ann Arbor
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Warren Stupidity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-27-07 08:52 AM
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25. So if one of the guys wears a dress and pretends to be a woman
would that be ok with Ruby Ghouliani? I'm just wondering:
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Consequences Donating Member (12 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-27-07 09:09 AM
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26. I hope this costs him.
Now his next adversary in the mayoral race (and possibly the presidental one, although I don't see him getting nominated) is going to have ammunition to use to show that Rudy has no integrity. He probably just cost himself two jobs.
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vi5 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-27-07 02:09 PM
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34. Uh...what mayoral race will it cost him in?
I didn't know Rudy was mayor of anything since he stopped being mayor of NYC in 2002.
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AlCzervik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-27-07 09:14 AM
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28. omg! What a total piece of shit.
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WindRavenX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-27-07 09:21 AM
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31. What a fucking toolbag.
Hey Rudy: Fuck off.
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racaulk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-27-07 02:27 PM
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35. Color me shocked.
NOT!!!

If one has any doubt at all that the right-wing theocrats have absolute control over the politics of the Republican party, all one has to do is see how some Republican politicians will do a total 360 on some of their relatively moderate political stances all for the purpose of gaining their primary support for the GOP Presidential nomination. Bush, McCain, Guiliani...who's next?

I don't have the words to express how disgusted I am at Guiliani's "about face" on this. What a sorry, pandering son of a bitch.

:mad:
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BigDDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-27-07 03:23 PM
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37. OK, Log Cabin...he was your guy
time to rev up the apology machine.
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Princess Turandot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-28-07 11:21 AM
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40. Same guy who signed the NYC Domestic Partnership Bill in 97
http://www.columbia.edu/cu/gables/dpinfo_nyc/espa_press...

that put into law executive orders signed by Koch and Dinkens.

Oops. Political amnesia at its best.
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rocktivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-28-07 12:08 PM
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41. Candidate for this month's "You Call This NEWS?" award
He needs Rethuglican money, so he has to adopt GOP positions--first on abortion, then on security, then on gays. Hands up who DIDN'T see this coming!

:hi:
rocknation
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sffreeways Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-28-07 05:01 PM
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43. Another Repub
flips on an established position on a rightwing extremist issue. The group they are playing to have no moral compass or concern for their blatant hypocrisy. They will simply assert that The liberal Gulianni has come around and seen the light. He'll flip on abortion if the target voters let him get away with this absurd change in attitude. Anything to win...too bad there isn't a snowballs chance in hell republicans are even in the game.
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Mz Pip Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-28-07 05:12 PM
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44. wow
SO when will he change his pro-choice position? May?

What a douchebag. Guess he's working on the Panderbear of the year award. He's competing with McCain and Mittens so he still has some catching up to do.

I have to admit I am enjoying the ever changing faces of the GOP frontrunners. When the primaries really start heating up these guys will be tearing each other up like a pack of wild hyenas. Let them spend all their money on destroying each other.

Mz Pip
:dem:
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-28-07 05:23 PM
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45. Once one embarks on the path to the Dark Side, there is no stopping it
Rudy will soon be supporting a Constitutional Amendment to ban all abortions, even in cases of rape and incest.
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Mz Pip Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-28-07 05:34 PM
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46. I'd vote for
Huckabee before I'd vote for Guiliani. I don't agree with a damn thing either one of them says but at least Huckabee is honest in his positions. I have zero respect for people like McCain, Mittens and Guiliani. They reinvent themselves based on polls and political advisers. There isn't an honest bone in their bodies. How many epiphanies can a person have in a few months time? I can count on one hand the number of important issues I have changed my mind about in my entire life. These guys do it on a weekly basis.How can anyone take them seriously?

Mz Pip
:dem:
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