New MSNBC Poll: Americans siding with Dems against Bush

[brooklynite]

Source: MSNBC

WASHINGTON - As the Democrat-controlled Congress and the White House clash over an Iraq spending bill, with President Bush vowing to veto it because it contains withdrawal deadlines, the latest NBC News/Wall Street Journal poll finds that a solid majority of Americans side with the Democrats.

In addition, a nearly equal number believe that victory in Iraq isn't possible, and about only one in eight think the war has improved in the three months since Bush called for a troop increase there.

"They don't see the surge working," says Democratic pollster Peter D. Hart, who conducted the survey with Republican pollster Neil Newhouse. Instead, they are saying "we need to get out."

With those opinions, it's perhaps not surprising the poll also shows that the Democratic presidential front-runner who opposed the Iraq war from the start — Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill. — has gained ground on Sen. Hillary Clinton, D-N.Y., who voted to authorize the war and hasn't apologized for it, despite her increasingly antiwar rhetoric.

Read more: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18312789/

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...why does America hate our troops ?????

[Dr Fate]

1. Even after DK's impeachment announcement-which we are told will drive voters back to Bush?

I believe it.

[PSPS]

2. Note to "MSNBC:" This was clearly evident in the mid-term elections.

You may remember there was a "poll" taken last November. Remember that one? It's the one where the democrats clearly routed the republicans nationwide for one reason only -- the entire nation's revulsion over its war-criminal/thief/liar/giggling murderer in chief and his criminal cabal (including the corporate media like "MSNBC.").

But the media seems to have "moved on" from that clear rejection of bush by the nation's citizens and still treats everything as if it's bush's to somehow "lose."

One thing is for sure -- any poll of corporate media owners still shows solid backing for bush and hence this back-handed propping up of the fraud.

[C_U_L8R]

3. all your polls are belong to us

You have no chance to survive make your time.

[MLFerrell]

10. Set up us the bomb.

Main Screen turn on.

What you say!

[Occulus]

18. You have no chance to survive

Make your time!

Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha!

[Pirate Smile]

4. Hillary's lead over Obama is down to 5 from 12 last month.

"In the 2008 presidential race, Clinton leads Obama among Democrats, 36-31 percent, with Edwards in third at 20 percent. Back in March, however, Clinton's lead over Obama was 12 points (40-28 percent), while Edwards was at 15 percent.

Newhouse says Clinton should be "scared to death" of these numbers. "She's on the primary highway putting along at 50 , and Obama is in the rearview mirror going 75. She's got a very tough race ahead, and Obama's got big Mo'."

MOE is 4.4% for the Dem part of the survey.

[MannyGoldstein]

7. You Are A Republican Who Hates Powerful Women

Isn't it obvious?

(Just kidding, :hi: )

[Clarkie1]

5. K & R for the people and Barack Obama! nt

[llmart]

6. Grrr.....

I am soooo sick of the media using the term "Democrat-controlled". It's Democratic you idiots and we need to make sure this moniker doesn't stick. It's done for a reason.

[yardwork]

9. I'm right there with you, buddy - and I don't like the word "controlled" either

How often did the media ever say "Republican-controlled" Congress, much less "Republic-controlled."

Never

[ChairmanAgnostic]

11. you mean, like,

the democratics, who showed no spine for six years, finally woke up and realized that they are a co-equal twig of guvment?

luckily nothing bad happened in between. Just imagine if Alito, Roberts, and scalia were a majority on the supremes.
Imagine if the patriot act had some ways of bypassing the senate.
imagine if the FBI, NSA, DIA, and TALON could spy without supervision on US citizens.
Luckily, that could never happen, not in a democracy like ours.

It must be something I ate, for I have this recurring nachtmare. . . .

[MaineDem]

14. It sure is (done for a reason)

Although, I don't think the media understand that and just parrot what the Republicans have laid out as a slogan.

I had a conversation with a reporter who had no idea there was anything wrong with using "Democrat" as an adjective.

And there'll be people even here at DU who don't see the difference.

Also, the President has to fight to read "Democratic leaders" in place of "Democrat leaders" that he wants to say. We've seen him slip from time-to-time which proves that he wants to say the latter.

[yardwork]

16. I'm afraid that the media understand it all too well

The corporations that own and finance the media run the country and the politicians, not the other way around. chimp was appointed twice because those who own the bulk of the resources want it that way.

[dmallind]

28. Not wanting to be a pain but

Are they really using it as an adjective here? I mean yes I know and agree with all the angst over the "Democrat" party but Democrat as a noun is perfectly valid, obviously. Wouldn't "Democrat-controlled" be using the noun since it is telling us who controls Congress? Since Democrats, not Democratics, control Congress I'm not sure I'd complain about this unless anyone can point out why this is actually an adjectival phrase.

[lonestarnot]

8. However Obama is not for an immediate end to the quagmire soooo

hmmugh, nope Denise is the only one that has my attention right now.

[Frank Cannon]

12. Denise?

?

[lonestarnot]

15. Woops and tooo late to edit. LOL

:rofl:

[Jeff In Milwaukee]

13. America Hates America!!

Here's how bad the Bush Administration is. Faced with siding with the Bush Administration or siding with the terrorists. We're pretty much throwing in with the terrorists.

[BuyingThyme]

17. Wow! Devastating! And the question was loaded to favor the Chimp!

It's like asking, "Are you patriotic, or are you a defeatist terrorist who favors the Dems?"

America favors the Dems!

[PassingFair]

26. Is victory STILL possible?

It should have asked the REAL question.

Was victory in Iraq EVER possible?

What the hell IS "victory in Iraq" anyway?

[Heidi]

19. Kick.

:kick:

[Omaha Steve]

20. Americans siding with Dems against Bush

Source: NBC

Americans siding with Dems against Bush
NBC/WSJ poll: Skepticism on Iraq policies reflected in 2008 candidates

By Mark Murray
Deputy Political Director
NBC News
Updated: 10:46 a.m. CT April 26, 2007

WASHINGTON - As the Democrat-controlled Congress and the White House clash over an Iraq spending bill, with President Bush vowing to veto it because it contains withdrawal deadlines, the latest NBC News/Wall Street Journal poll finds that a solid majority of Americans side with the Democrats.

In addition, a nearly equal number believe that victory in Iraq isn't possible, and about only one in eight think the war has improved in the three months since Bush called for a troop increase there.

"They don't see the surge working," says Democratic pollster Peter D. Hart, who conducted the survey with Republican pollster Neil Newhouse. Instead, they are saying "we need to get out."

With those opinions, it's perhaps not surprising the poll also shows that the Democratic presidential front-runner who opposed the Iraq war from the start — Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill. — has gained ground on Sen. Hillary Clinton, D-N.Y., who voted to authorize the war and hasn't apologized for it, despite her increasingly antiwar rhetoric.



Read more: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18312789/

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Video at link and more.

[rodeodance]

21. Americans are showing they can as STuBBorn as Bush!!

[demosincebirth]

23. bush is hardheaded like a "knucklehead."

[bdamomma]

25. this is like our silent protest to bushie

but again, what did bush say, the polls can go "poof" what does that mean???? * is so defiant.

[opihimoimoi]

22. Poor Bushy...no one listens to him cept his 23% Base....BU BYE

[0007]

29. 23% is kind of high, isn't it?

[19jet54]

24. Duh?

... America wanted to believe the President as an honest person but after 7 years of lies, even the most naive American "sees the light" - 36% are in a holy war with muslims.

[gratuitous]

27. Before the war, as I recall . . .

Responsible voices against the war were largely shut out from the conversation at the major media outlets. Oh sure, some guy in a rainbow fright wig at an anti-war demonstration was always prominently featured in footage epitomizing the anti-war faction, but folks with real, concrete reasons for opposing the war weren't given any kind of a platform.

One of the proffered reasons for this irresponsible journalism was that the country needed to be united in a time of war, and the minority view was just going to have to eat it. Phil Donahue lost the highest-rated program on MSNBC because he wouldn't stop talking against the war. We had to put aside "partisan" differences and stand behind our president in the global fight against terrorism.

Well, now the clear majority of the country is against this war. But all we see, still, on the airwaves are pro-Bush spokespersons gibbering talking points and trying to persuade us that black is white and that down is up. Every now and then, someone will grudgingly allow as how things in Iraq may not be quite so rosily scenarioed as the administration would like us to think, but by golly, it wasn't necessarily as bad as the dirty fucking hippies are making it out to be. What happened to the minority view having to shut up, and giving the airwaves over to the majority? Can't say, we're told. It's complicated. The president is the commander in chief. Yadda. Yadda. Yadda.

We will one day get to the point where anti-war sentiment will just magically trip over into the default position. There will be no advance warning to us peons, and no indication on the teevee that any other position has ever been held by any of their talking chuckleheads. Of course everyone's against this disastrous war! Who ever said anything different?

[Gen. Jack D. Ripper]

30. I'd like to believe the reason most people are now against the war

is that they recognize the utterly ridiculous policies of the Bush administration. But, I can't help but think that the war has just run it's course for them. Like a reality TV show that has jumped the shark, the war too has become redundant and boring. They're calling for Bush to cancel the show and fill the time slot with something fresh. "That Wacky Iraqi" was great for a while, but they killed off the main villain and the plot become difficult to follow.

Iraq was poor policy from the moment it was conceived, few of us realized that. Most of the American people needed the shit to hit the fan before it occurred to them. I understand many Americans were caught up in the post 911, ape-shit hysteria, but I still think we, the entire American populous, failed ourselves. I suppose all we can do now is wake up, shake it off, and work to ensure this type of thing never happens again. Hopefully, this is the start.

[bdamomma]

31. each day and every death reflects on us.

we have to make it clear, that this war must stop.