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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-24-07 04:32 AM
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U.S. blasts Argentina for Chávez rally
Source: Miami Herald

Posted on Sat, Mar. 24, 2007

At a trade meeting, a top State Department official scolded Argentina for hosting the Venezuelan president's anti-Bush rally.
BY PABLO BACHELET
[email protected]

WASHINGTON -- In a rare public rebuke, a top U.S. official has complained about Buenos Aires' decision to let Venezuelan President Hugo Chávez use a stadium to attack President Bush as the U.S. president visited nearby Uruguay.

While Bush pointedly ignored the leftist Chávez on his weeklong tour of Latin America, Nicholas Burns, the State Department's undersecretary of political affairs, unleashed some candid criticism of Argentina Thursday.
(snip)

Speaking at the Council of the Americas, a group that promotes more trade and contacts with Latin America, Burns scolded Buenos Aires in his opening remarks while looking at Argentine Ambassador José Octavio Bordón, who was seated on the front row.
(snip)

Argentina's foreign minister, Jorge Taiana, in Ecuador on official travel, called Burns' statements ``surprising and unacceptable.''



Read more: http://www.miamiherald.com/579/story/51505.html





Nicholas Burns
State Department's undersecretary of political affairs
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-24-07 04:34 AM
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1. that's the way to win friends and influence people
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-24-07 04:51 AM
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3. That was predictably very small and petty of them.
While the corporate media bellowed for the ENTIRE WEEK about how Bush was not referring to Hugo Chavez, they make sure someone for the administration gets into the news by bitching and crabbing about Chavez to Argentina's Jorge Taiana.

Cheap and stupid! Tacky. Underhanded.


Jorge Taiana, actual diplomat


Dipstick from the State Department forgot to apologize for the Bush attempts to overthrow Hugo Chavez.
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pokercat999 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-24-07 05:12 AM
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4. "Cheap and stupid! Tacky. Underhanded".
And so Bush like, too bad he represents America, including you and me.
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-24-07 05:27 AM
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6. He can't get out of here nearly fast enough. We have been misrepresented
for all these long years. God, it seems he's been here forever. Not at all sure we won't have another 9/11 right after the 2008 election, and a decision made he will remain in office to steer the ship of state, in our country's hour of need!



Bush, unwilling
to let Clinton go first!
Our own stately pResident.
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-24-07 02:34 PM
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16. Bush message: I'm going to kick you ass if you don't like me
except he doesn't have the troops or political clout at home to do any ass-kicking on another continent.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-24-07 10:02 PM
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29. "The beatings will continue
until moral improves."
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-25-07 01:57 PM
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33. where is that from?
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-25-07 02:38 PM
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34. It was on a DUers sig line and
I remembered it but I don't remember where it was from and I googled it and I'm just getting a runaround. Maybe someone else can tell us? :)
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rpannier Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-24-07 04:36 AM
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2. Scrubbies just jealous because if the held a rally for scrub
not even the rats and cockroaches would have attended.
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PurpleChez Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-24-07 05:22 AM
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5. How DARE they have their own opinions!
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dicknbush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-24-07 05:44 AM
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7. Ahhh Gee Nicky.......That's how Democracy works the people are free
to assemble and let the government know how they feel. Christ we are being governed by a bunch of spoiled frat boys!!!
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tech3149 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-24-07 05:51 AM
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8. These fools only know baseball bat diplmacy n/t
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Doctor_J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-24-07 06:21 AM
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9. In other news, all the Bush supporters will gather in a phone booth
to discuss all of *'s successes.
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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-24-07 08:47 AM
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10. Burns is delusional.
Sounds like a jilted lover who just can't believe his ex-significant-other is really doing-it with some new person. Argentina and Venezuela are ON THE SAME SIDE in opposing Burns and his ilk, and it's been that way for some time now, since Kirchner came to power.

The question is what can Mr. Burns do about it? And the answer is "not much".
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-24-07 09:07 AM
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11. I think being delusional is a prerequisite for serving in the Bush government.
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-24-07 10:57 AM
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13. Thanks to Iraq, millions are alive today in Latin America
that would have been killed, imprisoned, or displaced by American intervention.
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ngant17 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-24-07 02:51 PM
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17. that logic is cold but quite true
and besides, if it wasn't Iraq/Afghanistan that has the US military tied down for the foreseeable future, it would have been some place else.

Yes, indeed the advance of socialism in Latin America has been accelerated thanks to the invasion of Iraq. Lots of missed opportunities have been lost by the Pentagon, in terms of covert assassinations, coups, ect. And they will continue to be lost. You can not be in two places at once.

I suppose they might even could have had a much-better coordinated coup against Chavez back in April 11, 2002, that one lacked the sophisticated planning and coordination we would normally expect from US military and black-op/CIA personnel. Really looks amatuerish in hindsight now. See "The Revolution Will Not Be Televised" (documentary). Well, I will say to their credit, that the Venezuelan state prosecutor Danilo Anderson was assassinated (shortly before he was scheduled to bring charges against 400 people who allegedly participated in the coup). And fearless leader Carmona (of the infamous 11 April coup) did go into exile. So maybe the US was able to accomplish something productive for which they can be proud of, in spite the abysmal failure in the tradition of a Bay of Pigs operation.
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eridani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-24-07 09:33 PM
Response to Reply #13
27. Yep, the Eye of Sauron has turned east--
--leaving the hobbits in the south free to pursue their own quests.
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-24-07 10:52 AM
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12. The "Colossus of the North" can no longer dictate terms to Latin America
Edited on Sat Mar-24-07 10:53 AM by IndianaGreen
Bush has done more than any American President to unmask the true nature of capitalism and militarism.

Argentina, Si! Yanqui, No!
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roody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-24-07 10:59 AM
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14. David C. Korten mentions Bush in the dedication
of his book The Great Turning. He says, "And George W. Bush, whose administration exposed to full view the imperial shadow side of U.S. democracy, stripped away the last of the illusions of my childhood innocence, and compelled me to write this book. Writer Rebecca Solnit says that no left leaning president could have destroyed the US military like Bush is doing.
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-24-07 01:44 PM
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15. Nicholas Burns never unleashed anything "candid" in his life.
"...Nicholas Burns, the State Department's undersecretary of political affairs, unleashed some candid criticism of Argentina Thursday." --Miami Herald

Get a life, Nicholas! And, while you're at it, get an honest job. One that suits your skill level. How about....no, I won't speculate.
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-24-07 03:45 PM
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18. On the other hand, maybe it WAS candid--a genuine cry of anguish at the foiling of
their nefarious scheme to "divide and conquer" in Latin America.

Here's how I think it came down:

Background: A peaceful, democratic, leftist (majorityist) revolution has swept South America, with leftist governments elected in Brazil, Chile, Argentina, Uruguay, Venezuela, Bolivia and Ecuador (also in Nicaragua), and big leftist movements in Peru, Paraguay and Mexico (likely to win future elections). The common themes of these governments are social justice, anti-neoliberalism (US domination/global corporate predator-friendly trade policy), and also, and importantly, Latin American self-determination and regional cooperation. Moves toward the latter began with Venezuela creating a fund with which to bail its neighbors out of ruinous World Bank/IMF debt (and thus US corporate domination). Argentina was the first beneficiary, and quickly began to recover, thus creating a healthy trading partner for Brazil, Venezuela and others.

They begin discussions of a South American "Common Market" and common currency (to get off the US dollar). All of this has been made possible not so much by Bush Junta inattention* (preoccupied with the plundering of the Middle East--here is where I somewhat disagree with IndianaGreen, above)*, but primarily by long hard work on transparent elections--by the OAS, the Carter Center, EU election monitoring groups and local civic groups--and boffo grass roots organization. Also key: After decades of brutal repression, and some violent rebellion against it, young leaders like Lt. Col. Hugo Chavez turned against violent change and threw their lot with constitutional government and democracy--a deep sea change within the hearts of rebellious Latin Americans, not easy to track or analyze, but still evident. And it is all the scarier to looters and exploiters headed by the Bush Junta, that this is a genuine democracy movement. A South American "Common Market"--global corporate predators having to negotiate on equal terms with peasants and leftists--ye gods!

Alarm bells go off in the psycho Bush White House, or rather in the Board Rooms of his Corporate Masters.

First, the Bush Junta lards several billion more dollars on Colombia in military aid, one of the chief beneficiaries of which is rightwing paramilitary drug traffickers and death squads. They cook up a plot to assassinate Hugo Chavez (just recently exposed).

The Bush Cartel purchases a 300,000 acre compound in Paraguay (sometimes described as a "weak government"), from which to launch a private paramilitary war against the Andean democracies (Bolivia, Ecuador, Venezuela).

But Bush's Corporate Masters say that is not enough (or that won't work). They're looking at disaster in Iraq (and a resurgent left in the US as well). They want "deliverables" in exchange for continuing to prop up the Bush/Cheney Junta and keeping its principles out of jail. They want their Latin American "backyard" restored, for more looting and plundering.

So the bright bulbs in the Bush White House (or at global corporate predator headquarters) conceive of a Bush "mission" to Latin America, exuding concern about Latin America's poor, bashing Hugo Chavez and Venezuela as the wrong way to go about social justice; telling Latin Americans to let U.S. corporations take care of them; and busting a few kneecaps (Uruguay, Brazil) over the South American "Common Market."

Just prior to Bush's visit, a huge scandal breaks out in Colombia, involving the rightwing paramilitaries and their dirty, criminal activities, among which was a plot to assassinate Chavez. The rightwing president of Colombia is obliged to distance himself from these paramilitaries, and it is reported that he refused to participate in Bushite plots against Chavez. Another rightwing paramilitary scandal breaks out in Guatemala.

Bush's itin: 2 rightwing governments, Columbia and Guatemala, riddled with rightwing scandals; Mexico, where rightwing/corporatist President Calderon's election was brought into serious question, and a big scandal is brewing about rightwing paramilitary thugs and murderers in cahoots with the governor of Oaxaca; Uruguay, rumored to be having a tiff within Mercosur, the So. American trade group that is the likely precursor of a So. American Common Market; and Brazil (big economy, big voice in Mercosur; former steelworker president, Lula da Silva, visited Chavez in December, in a big, splashy state visit, just prior to the Venezuelan election, which Chavez won with 63% of the vote). Upshot: Bush's intention was to offer Uruguay US "trade deals" to widen the small crack within Mercosur, and to divide Brazil/Uruguay from the Andean democracies--Venezuela, Bolivia, Ecuador.

Also, it is notable the countries Bush did NOT visit: All the Andean democracies, of course; but also Paraguay (big leftist movement in progress), Peru (corrupt leftist as president, new US "trade deals" already made, big leftist movement in progress), and Chile (new socialist President Batchelet was tortured by Pinochet, so Mr. Guantanamo Bay was probably not very welcome; also Batchelet has suffered some political embarrassment, recently, over Chile's failure to support Venezuela's bid for a UN Security Council seat).

Now the fun begins: SOMEBODY (we don't know who, possibly from Brazil or Uruguay) delivers a backchannel message to Bush that there will be no Chavez bashing on his Latin American "tour" --as a CONDITION of his visit. This is the unanimous view of Latin American leaders, left and right, from Brazil to Mexico. Subsequently, Bush gets publicly lectured on Latin American sovereignty in at least two countries that he visits (Brazil, Mexico) and probably privately in the others.

Next, Hugo Chavez and his many supporters organize a Chavez shadow tour--to haunt Bush as he tries to peddle his corporate BS around the south. Chavez even avers that Bush is afraid to say his name. Chavez's events are hugely popular; Bush has to skulk from country to country, in black-windowed limos, amidst raucous anti-Bush protests.

Bush ends his whirlwind tour and returns to ever more dismal approval polls in the US. A few days later, Uruguay announces its rejection of US "trade deals." It is sticking with Mercosur. The president of the "weak" government of Paraguay (no doubt politically threatened by the big leftwing movement in that country, led by the beloved bishop of the poor, who recently resigned his priestly office to run for president) announced that it is joining the Bank of the South (started by Venezuela--the fund that is pushing the World Bank out). The US Democratic Congress had already begun to balk at more military aid for Colombia, in view of the paramilitary scandals. And with the words, "the sovereignty of Latin American countries" ringing in his ears, Bush hunkers down to scandal after scandal at home. EVEN IF the darker part of his visit--schmoozing with the fascist rich and their paramilitaries--resulted in some dark plans, it is evident that the entirety of Latin America will prohibit them. US domination of Latin America is OVER. Bush failed! And this is why I think Bush is toast--and also Cheney.

So poor Nicolas Burns--his plans to torture leftists and throw them out of "drug war" airplanes gone all awry (or, alternatively, his plans to shill for global corporate predators in new "trade deals" blasted away by the success of democracy in Latin America)--yells at Nestor Kirchner for allowing Chavez to hold a rally against Bush's visit. When Kirchner and other leaders were told by the US/Bush that they must "isolate" Chavez and Venezuela, Kirchner (and apparently the others as well) refused, and Kirchner described Chavez as "my brother."

Thus it may be that Burns' "unleashing" of "candid" criticism of Argentina was genuine. It was a temper tantrum. How dare Argentina choose "my brother" over Bushite riches and dark threats? Burns failed Bush. Bush failed his Corporate Masters. It's all over for this crew. I don't even think Paraguay is safe for them, in a "blue" continent. And Colombia certainly is not a safe place. Where will the Bushites go? They are hated everywhere on earth. I think they are even hated in Israel (if the truth were known). Poland? Dubai?

They have a whole lot of stolen money--and I mean a whole lot. What are they going to do with it, if they can't "invade" South America? Maybe this is what the new NASA manned mission to Mars is all about. They can go "invade" the microbes of our ancestors.


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*(They were not all that "inattentive" in South America: They supported the violent military coup attempt against Chavez in 2002, and funded all sorts of efforts to destabilize Venezuela, including the crippling oil professionals' strike, and the wasteful and absurd recall election, and also poured our hard-earned taxpayer dollars into the campaigns of rightwing candidates and other activities we know not of. They identified one source of inspiration to this great leftist movement early on--Hugo Chavez--and tried in every way to do him in. But the movement was too deep and too strong. Chavez is just one man. What the Venezuelans mention most in their amazing defeat of the military coup--in the documentary called "The Revolution Will Not Be Televised"--is their CONSTITUTION, which everyone, even the poorest of the poor, had READ.) (I wish we could say the same here.)
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-24-07 10:21 PM
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31. Excellent summation!!
Edited on Sat Mar-24-07 10:30 PM by bvar22
:patriot:
Wish I could nominate your post.
Please repost it as a thread topic.
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roamer65 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-24-07 06:14 PM
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19. Waaaaaa...
I hear little baby Nicky crying... Waaaaaaaa.
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otherlander Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-24-07 08:19 PM
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24. Don't cry...
for him, Argentina. The truth is that he never liked you...:nopity:
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ProudDad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-24-07 06:38 PM
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20. Gee, they missed this quote:
"How dare Argentina grant free speech rights to someone we don't like!!??!"


-----------------

Is he growing a john bolton 'stash?
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-24-07 06:52 PM
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21. That 'stash isn't all that effective, is it? Sheesh! Looks like a boiled rat with a mustache.
He's on his mission right now, according to this article, spreading a version of reality Bush apparently thinks should be accepted in place of reality itself:
....Burns said only two leaders in the Western Hemisphere are at odds with the shift toward enhanced U.S.-Latin American cooperation - Cuba's Fidel Castro and Venezuela's Hugo Chavez. Burns called Chavez a "figure from the past" because of the Venezuelan's moves against democracy that include a crackdown on press freedom. (related article)

U.S. foreign policy over the last two years has been able to reach out to governments across the "broad political spectrum" in the Americas, when "perhaps there was a time when that was not the case," said Burns.

Praise for Brazil

Burns said the United States has opened a partnership with leftist leaders in Bolivia and Ecuador, and with Brazilian President Luiz Inacio Lula da Silva.

Burns said Lula and President Bush have different political philosophies. But the two leaders have found "some common ground between them ... and that is a very interesting example of what we need in this hemisphere - broad-minded, not narrow-minded engagement," Burns said.
(snip)
http://newsblaze.com/story/20070324132450tsop.nb/newsblaze/TOPSTORY/Top-Stories.html

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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-24-07 08:27 PM
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26. A "crackdown on freedom of the press"! What utter rot!
The freedom of the corporate news monopolies is alive and well in Venezuela, and their Fauxnews-like rants against Chavez and his government never stop. The Chavez government has refused to renew the license to use the public airwaves of ONE TV station--RCTV--which actively participated in the violent military coup against the elected government, including suspension of the National Assembly (Congress), suspension of the Supreme Court, and of all government officials.

If Faux News here had called for Nancy Pelosi's kidnapping and the shutdown of Congress, and had participated in such a coup, wouldn't we justified in denying them a license to use our public airwaves?

This is a ridiculous and deceitful charge. Venezuela has one of the liveliest political cultures in the world, with complete freedom of dissent. And the corporate news monopolies take full advantage of it, like they do here. RCTV got what they deserved, and probably quite a bit less than they deserved. Nobody arrested. No studio invaded or taken over. They can still do their soap operas. They just can't use the public airwaves to support and participate in murder and overthrow of the government! Jeez.

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What is this "Newsblaze"? Never heard of them. They regurgitate global corporate predator crap just like AP.
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mitchtv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-24-07 09:57 PM
Response to Reply #20
28. We lost Argentina years ago
in the Malvinas. Everyone loved the Big Dog , however.
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gratuitous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-24-07 06:56 PM
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22. Well, it would appear
That for all of Bush's pointed ignoring of Chavez that the Venezuelan president really has gotten under Georgie's thin little skin.
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-24-07 07:48 PM
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23. Their corporate media was bombarding us daily with the news that
little George STILL hadn't mentioned Hugo Chavez during his trip to the safest (for him) countries in Latin America, as if we were to assume it proved he has the patience of a saint.

No, he couldn't afford to address a critic directly. That's not his style. He will arrange a coup, or sanctions, or god only knows to destroy him, but NEVER enter a direct duel of wits, or, heaven forbid, actual, grown up dialogue leading to any kind of cooperation. He's never stooped to being a man about international relationships yet, and this is no time to start.

He has his FLUNKIES to do his dirty work for him, and allows us, the taxpayers, to finance their careers making threats, and spreading lies for him.
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gratuitous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-25-07 09:38 AM
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32. Going, going, gone
Home run of a post. Touch 'em all.
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MisterP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-24-07 08:26 PM
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25. or what, he's gonna hold his breath? what a brat
will Congressional Dems trip over each other to come to Dear Leader's aid again, like the last time Spurious George got ribbed?
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-24-07 10:11 PM
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30. I wish we could have a stadium
full of Norte Americanos convening for a full on anti-bushit rally!

We could have honored guest speakers, creative signs, Music, food & drink kiosks, anyone invited who wants to turn our country around and get it back from the hands of the war criminals constantly cooking up their crimes against humanity.

No stupid "Get a Brain Moran" freepers invited.
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