(Hillary) Clinton to launch 2008 presidential bid

[Gman]

NEW YORK - Democratic Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton will embark on a widely anticipated campaign for the White House Saturday, a former first lady intent on becoming the nation's first female president.

Clinton was expected to disclose plans to form a presidential exploratory committee on her Web site, according to Democratic officials familiar with the matter.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070120/ap_on_el_pr/clinton...

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My candidate is about to announce!

[maddezmom]

1. here is a link please edit and add to your OP

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070120/ap_on_el_pr/clinton...

[Maine1991]

367. Bush, Clinton, Bush, Clinton

I'm glad this country is run by only two families.

[maddezmom]

374. welcome to DU

I was only providing a link not an endorsement.

[Maine1991]

392. Thanks :)

.

[leveymg]

2. Why announce on a Saturday?

I'm under the impression that Saturday is ebb point of the news cycle, when viewership is least.

Timing seems a bit odd, doesn't it?

[Gman]

3. Probably because

anyone that sees a TV today or listens to a radio today will hear about it for the reason you mention and news is slow right now.

[leveymg]

7. The MSM would cover it, anyway, M-F.

This way, she gets a bit more coverage before a much smaller audience. Pretty timid, if you ask me.

[Tellurian]

35. GO HILLARY!

She's probably announcing today because The Iraq War is going to be the primary focus of her campaign. She's just returned from Iraq and she, no doubt, has a plan in mind the people need to hear.

Good on Hillary!

[still_one]

159. Interesting, since she was one of the FIRST to jump on board pushing us into Iraq

[dos pelos]

180. She is a corporate democrat.......supports the war

She represents those interests committed to the resource war/resource grab going down in Iraq and soon,Iran.She just differs on the methods to be used.Be assured ,your contribution under a Clinton administration will be to send your taxes and your blood to support the effort.Good god,look at Ms Pelosi saying she won't cut funding.These people won't stop this war.They will spew rhetoric,but will do NOTHING substantive.Vote for Ms Clinton,get more of the same.Reminds me of Lieberman.

[Tellurian]

274. Link please...

I read her statement. There is no such thing.
If you have something supporting "she was first"..please post it!

[Love Bug]

53. So the Sunday talk shows will be about nothing but

[question everything]

118. To talk about it on Sunday talk shows

and... right before Bush's SOTU.

[GlenP]

146. SOTU

Because now she just doubled the camera shots of her during the State of the Union, and had she done it the DAY before the SOTU, it would have come across as highly political and contrived. (Not to mention she would have been lambasted from the right, for the inconsideration of the timing).

[racaulk]

162. Maybe because today is January 20?

Perhaps she is going for a little symbolism. Just a hunch...

[andykef]

4. Good News

This is a great development. At the very least it will mean that the Democrats do not go into the 2008 election thinking that Obama will win the presidency or Clark has a chance, I say this because Clinton will take Obama out and Clark will not run. Hopefully once the dust has settled a sensible Democratic candidate will emerge. One that can actually win a general election. I favor a moderate and I think America does also.

[ruiner4u]

5. rut-ro

[Gman]

10. The way Hillary will take out Obama is

not doing it herself, of course, but her proxy's will politely tag Obama as a lightweight. He's a nice guy, but a lightweight. It won't be done right away, but that will be hinted at and I believe it will stick like eggs on a cast iron skillet.

Obama's day will come, and I've very happy he's around for the future. It's just not right now.

[Wise Doubter]

66. I agree, not right now...

[Nedsdag]

234. If not now, when?

Oh, that's right! He should wait until another Obama-type takes the spotlight away from him.

Good move!

[ohio2007]

117. what are the issues of 3rd,4rth and 5th choices throwing their hats in the ring

going to stand for.
Maybe Obama v. Hillary is as good as it gets ? We need more choices from some sort of middle. The ground between a long history canidate and what amounts to an unknown out of a large urban city

[Turn CO Blue]

136. Obama is not "left" - in fact, Obama is so centrist that he

worries me. Re-read his speeches. The guy is all about finding the middle. I'm not saying that it is not refreshing to hear a little comity and statesmanship, but I just wonder how much he will compromise on uncompromiseable issues...

[Morgana LaFey]

171. And when you compromise with extremist fanatics

you win NOTHING but only stand to lose. There are some positions, some ideas, some plans and agendas which simply should NOT be compromised with. Period.

[illinoisprogressive]

296. He is more liberal than most 08 runners. He just doesn't shout it.

[Tellurian]

46. I really don't think O Bama..

is the threat he's perceived to be. He is a wonderful charismatic speaker. Everyone loves listening to him speak. But theres is nothing about him that demonstrates he has the wherewithal and the experience to change our world. At least thats how he comes across to me....imo..

[Name removed]

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[ohio2007]

122. I agree, take away his looks and put a face on him

only a mother could love then,
lets listen to him speak ( with our eyes closed ) about issues over the next few months.
Does he talk about FIXING the hard issues we face ? Unemployment, the war, health care, offshoring jobs ect?

[Tellurian]

163. The post I was responding to is deleted..posting here..

I like O Bama. I'm not here to deride any democratic hopeful.

My previous comments were true and accurate. I don't believe O Bama
doesn't have the will or the intelligence to do something great in his
lifetime. This is just not his time.

Seasoning and experience in politics is key to changing our world.
The Clintons gave us Peace and Prosperity for 8 yrs. They have proven
themselves worthy of the tasks at hand.. I don't want to waste time
writing the litany of problems that must be addressed by a Demo president.
I'm sure,you are well aware of what I speak.

O'Bama may be ready to take the reins once our world has been righted once
again. It will take the expertise of both Clintons to fix what has been broken by
the Bush Administration. After that is done...I'd be more than willing to take
a look at O Bama, see what he's gotten accomplished in the last 8 yrs and be back with
you again on the subject.

If you think I'm here to match O Bama against Hillary Clinton, tell your gut to think again.

I'll ck in later.. for your response..

thanks..

[Nedsdag]

236. Bush, Clinton, Bush, Clinton

No more political "Dynasties."

[maryallen]

264. You got it ...

I am underwhelmed that Hillary is running. In fact, I find it down-right depressing.

She will suck the air out of every room she enters -- especially if she is accompanied by Bill. Reporters will fall all over themselves promoting her for the party nomination, only to stab her in the back during the general election. Meanwhile, no anti-war candidate will get the media's time of day.

She is DLC. For god's sake, Hillary campaigned for Barry Goldwater -- Mr. Conservative -- when she was in college.

Worst of all, she has made every effort to promote this war. She has become a caricature of herself trying to act so tough. She has successfully out-militarized ninety percent of the generals in the Army. Wow! What an accomplishment: just what I want for a President of the USA! (Not!~)_

Corporate America is shoving her down our throats, and I resent it.

[madmax]

357. Seems worse if you say

Bush, Clinton, Clinton, Bush, Bush, Clinton. ENUF!!!!

[benny05]

155. The Freepers seem to think he might be

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1770670/posts

[jakem]

384. For the sake of argument...

I havent seen a whole lot that Hillary has done to improve the world...

[Tellurian]

391. She's starting w/NY..

http://clinton.senate.gov/news/statements/details.cfm?i...

[The Wielding Truth]

270. Funny, but reading your post makes me ill.

[LuckyTheDog]

299. Obama is a far better candidate

Obama is a far better candidate than H. Clinton. He is more personable, more genuine, has better ideas and expresses them better. Hillary comes off as evasive and calculating. People don't want that.

That said, I also think it's very, very possible that the candidate in 2008 will end up being a governor nobody is thinking about now.

[wakeme2008]

6. Zzzzzz another DLC candidate ....

[andykef]

8. DLC wins

What is wrong with DLC. Big Dog was DLC and he won two terms

[wakeme2008]

9. DLC has changed since 92... now

it is hard to tell the difference between them and the far right Repugs.

[Tellurian]

48. Enough time has gone by..

for the DLC to have learned it needs to go back to it's original intent.
After all, it was formed by Gore and Clinton.

[ProudDad]

304. Going Nowhere: The DLC sputters to a halt

"Today's DLC is a far cry from the anti-establishment organization created by New Democrats who captured power within the party in the Clinton era by distancing themselves from the party's traditional base and liberal candidates. After co-founding the DLC in 1985, former Congressional aide Al From aggressively expanded what had been an informal caucus of Southern and Western Congressmen into a $7-million-a-year operation at its peak in 2000. By that time it had 5,000 members, who paid $50 a pop to join; and politicians, policy wonks and lobbyists flocked to its annual conferences. The DLC's tough free-market positions, connections to big business and early media savvy enticed Clinton into becoming chair in 1990. Although the organization always took more credit than it deserved for his 1992 victory, downplaying Ross Perot's impact and Clinton's own charisma, that election nevertheless institutionalized the DLC's rising status. DLC strategists William Galston, Elaine Kamarck and Bruce Reed became top domestic policy aides in the Clinton White House. After the Republican Revolution of 1994, From told the Democrats to "get with the program." The DLC quickly became the new Washington establishment, launching state chapters, creating a New Democratic Coalition in Congress and expanding its Progressive Policy Institute think tank. A top aide to Jesse Jackson groused of the post-Clinton Democratic Party, "The DLC has taken it over."

But the DLC's great hopes in 2000 of becoming a permanent power center in Washington never materialized. Al Gore's promising New Democratic candidacy turned sour for the DLC when Gore, a DLC founder, switched to a populist strategy after trailing in the polls. No one but the DLC believes that strategy cost Gore the election. "Gore's defeat didn't reinvigorate the DLC as the defeat of Dukakis did, nor did it vindicate their strategy like the election of 1992," says Baer, a Gore speechwriter in 2000. In George W. Bush's first term, the DLC emerged as an important backer of "compassionate conservatism" and convinced the Democratic leadership to back Bush's war with Iraq. Current and former DLC chairmen Evan Bayh, Joe Lieberman and Dick Gephardt flanked Bush at a ceremony announcing the war resolution. Still enthralled by centrist orthodoxy, prowar candidates emerged as early frontrunners in the Democratic primary. "

http://www.commondreams.org/views05/0304-27.htm

[Le Taz Hot]

22. Interesting screen name.

N/T.

[blm]

246. Whoa. Good catch. This is very manipulative.

Despicable.

[mod mom]

23. Bill won his first election due to Ross Perot being in the race. I believe Perot

got about 19% of the vote if my memory serves me. Second time-perhaps because he was a friend of big business-he did give them NAFTA which has devastated the middle class and weakened our nation by sending manufacturing jobs overseas.

NO TO HILIARY. NO TO THE DLC.

Please Sen GORE -your country needs you!

[freefall]

101. Exactly! n/t

[BootinUp]

139. Here is an analysis that comes to a different conclusion

Analysis: Perotís vote totals in themselves likely did not cause Clinton to win. Even if all of these states had shifted to Bush and none of Bushís victories had been reversed (as seems plausible, in fact, as Bush won by less than 5% only in states that a Republican in a close election could expect to carry, particularly before some of the partisan shifts that took place later in the 1990s ñ Arizona, Florida, North Carolina, South Dakota and Virginia), Clinton still would have won the electoral college vote by 281 to 257. But such a result obviously would have made the race a good deal closer.

http://www.fairvote.org/plurality/perot.htm

More at the link on the states in question.

[porkrind]

144. DLC wins because they are so far right that they're

squarely behind corporations over people, so they are accepted by the establishment. The DLC even came out and said it when Clinton ran the first time. Listen to Noam Chomsky on this. Bill Clinton represented himself as upholding business interests, and that's what he did. He was much better than Reagan or Bush, but still, it's like Coke and Pepsi. I'm tired of establishment cola. If we get a DLC candidate like Hillary, we will get an establishment candidate that calls themselves a Dem. Now that's a recipe for change, right? How about a progressive for a change?

[Morgana LaFey]

174. Correction -- DLC USED to win

And Clinton is the most talented and charismatic pol to come around in at least a generation, if not 2 generations. If you think he "won" because he was DLC, you don't know much about politics.

[lostnotforgotten]

11. God Help Us All - The Dems Just Lost A Vote To The Greens, Etc.

I will not vote for a war monger, period.

[Tellurian]

50. I will NOT Vote for a GREEN!

Nader and his followers gave us Bush in 00'

Don't get me started !

[lostnotforgotten]

72. The Supreme Court Gave Us Bush

Don't trot out this tired red herring!

[Tellurian]

107. I'm not trotting. I'm running over you..

ck the tire tracks!

[lostnotforgotten]

112. Your Ignorance of the Subject Is Truly Showing!

eom

[Tellurian]

116. If eom didn't exist...you'd be toothless! nm

[lostnotforgotten]

134. All Teeth In Place and Pearly White - Sorry to Disappoint You

eom

[enough already]

92. I'll vote Green if my party is stupid enough to nominate a war monger like her

I'm not compromising any more.

[Tellurian]

127. You compromised once and gave us Bush..thanks! nm

[Odin2005]

151. If you vote Green you are voting for the Pukes and are thus a traitor to this country.

[enough already]

381. I'm a traitor for refusing to support a war monger?

You've truly lost your way, my friend.

[dos pelos]

192. Lets have a political aristocracy...families of Presidents

Just like the europeans.The Bush family political aristocracy,the Kennedy family political aristocracy and now,the Clinton family political aristocracy.Hey!We gotta groom Chelsea for her run in 2020!

[freefall]

97. Not only a warmonger but supporter of torture "under special circumstances".

And I agree about the Dems losing a vote. I couldn't possibly vote for Hillary. I really hope Gore will decide to run.

Peace,

freefall

[Spiffarino]

221. I voted Green in 2000

I won't make that mistake again. Better the lesser of two devils.

No more Republicans, EVER.

[onehandle]

12. I support the 2008 Democratic Presidential Nominee. Any of them.

Let the games begin.

[lostnotforgotten]

13. I Do Not Support War Mongers - Period!

eom

[Township75]

17. I heard a lot of that here too when Kerry secured the nomination

Yet, slowly people come around, and realize a pro war Dem is better than a pro war repub.

It will happen again...it always does.

[lostnotforgotten]

20. Greens Here I Come - If She Wins The Nomination The Dems Have Lost A Vote

eom

[oasis]

33. See ya!

[Name removed]

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[ronnykmarshall]

145. I'll see that 'see ya'

and rase you one 'bu-bye now'!

[MGD]

45. Have fun not being represented.

[dos pelos]

200. You are already NOT being represented.......

You think that the Congress is representing your interests?Perhaps,if your interests are the pursuit of this resource war,limiting economic freedom for the individual by passing the Bankruptcy Act and limiting the scope of the Bill Of Rights in the Military Commissions Act.You think you are being represented when the congress votes to limit Habeas Corpus?Is that in your interest? These are your Democratic representatives at work.Ms Clinton is right in there with them.

[papau]

231. ?? - A GOP Congress passed both items - In a Dem controlled Congress they'd fail n/t

n/t

[dos pelos]

257. I'd like to think so....however

There are a lot of centrist democrats hauling water for the big business lobby these days.I count Ms Clinton as an example.

[Tellurian]

52. see post #51nm

[Gman]

218. Don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out

[bling bling]

316. Why wait? Why doncha trot over to greenunderground.com right now. n/t

[earthlover]

41. We have a choice....

...and the choice right now is not between a pro-war Republican and a pro-war Democrat. We have other choices too. That is why we have primary elections and that is why we get to vote for our nominees instead of the "experts" telling us who they are gonna be.

If you want to nominate someone who is "perceived" as a liberal and has bended over backwards to vote the Republican way for fear of looking too Democratic, then Hillary is your candidate.

I would prefer someone who was not so afraid to oppose a stupid and immoral war, someone who has not been so afraid to look too liberal, and someone who doesn't start out the race with an albatross around the neck of being viewed with fear such as Hillary.

Fortunately, there are several Democratic candidates who fit the bill.

My favorite is Clark. He is more liberal than Hillary, is not afraid to use the word liberal, opposed Iraq from the start, sees war only as last, last resort.... but is perceived as moderate. Clark is the opposite of Hillary. As President, Clark would be able to lead us in a progressive direction instead of spending the first four years afraid to do anything Democratic for fear of not being re-elected. That is how I perceive a Hillary first term.

[Tellurian]

69. Then your saying Clark is more liberal than Sen Kennedy?

Then your perceptions are all wet. It's better to have your facts handy
before you start stating facts based in perceptions.

Hillary's voting record, voting with Democrats for Democratic issues is @ 95%
Senator Kennedy is the gold standard for Liberal issues as evidenced here:

"The Americans for Democratic Action (ADA), the self-styled premier liberal organization that issues annual congressional voting ratings by tallying the votes cast on its 20 most important issues, has given Mrs. Clinton scores (ADA cleverly calls them "liberal quotients") of 95 percent for each of her first three years. Mr. Kennedy's ADA ratings have been 100 percent (2001 and 2002) and 95 percent (2003).

http://www.washtimes.com/op-ed/20041120-084025-3316r.ht...

[mikehiggins]

178. Voting "liberal" when you are the Senator from New York State is

hardly unlikely, at least if you want to stay the Senator for New York State.

Voting liberal in the last few Senates is hardly difficult either, since your votes made little or no difference in terms of what actually took place.

Supporting, and continuing to support, the Iraq invasion and the systematic destruction of that nation along with the murders of hundreds of thousands of its citizens, hardly seems all that "liberal" a position to take, either. It seems politically weighted to me, and as much as I like my Senator, I never forget that she has the courage of no convictions, which frees her to do whatever is in her own best interest.

Liberal? Hardly. Exceptionally astute politician? Absolutely.

Is Clark more ideologically committed to progressive idea(l)s than she is? IMHO, absolutely. On the other hand, it is unlikely he'll run against her, since the Big DOg was his patron in many ways. State or Defense would seem in the offing if she wins.

On the other hand, I don't think she can win, which some of us think is a problem.

[earthlover]

348. Huh?

I said nothing about Kennedy, nor implied anything about him. Please reread my post. Clark is one of the most liberal of any who ran in 04 or 08, and he was not afraid to use the word....ps....when is the last time Hillary called herself a liberal? Please show a link to any quote you claim she said, because I don't think she ever used that word to describe herself...that would be so un-DLC, after all!

[PCIntern]

27. Good stick to your prinicples...

they'll give us another Rethug, fascist President. 4 more years and you won't have to worry about message boards b/c they'll all be edited for content, subversive and otherwise.

War will be the least of your problems...

[lostnotforgotten]

And The Democratic Party Will Have Lost Its Soul

If that is to be we progressives can rid ourselves of the DLC once and for all.

Good riddance DLC dems - the traitors of the Democratic party.

[Tellurian]

111. You're as progressive as Nader was in 99..

Greens were the traitors and split the vote for Gore.

Thanks, we can do without you're so called soul saving!

[lostnotforgotten]

114. As Stated Elsewhere Your Argument Is A Red Herring Trotted Out

By the likes of those that don't want to admit that Nader had nothing to do with the Supreme Court selecting Bush.

[Tellurian]

120. Stick around you may learn something besides eom...

Nader split the vote..a historical fact. Live with it!
Continue to be in denial. It adds credibility to your posts.

NEXT!

[lostnotforgotten]

132. The Supreme Court Selected Bush - Historical Fact

Stick around you may learn your history after all!