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TexasLawyer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-23-06 07:35 PM
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Iraq massacre: US Marines 'will point the finger of blame at senior officers'
23 December 2006 19:32

Iraq massacre: US Marines 'will point the finger of blame at senior officers'

By Andrew Gumbel in Los Angeles
Published: 24 December 2006


Lawyers for eight Marines charged with involvement in the massacre of Iraqi civilians in Haditha 13 months ago have warned that they will point the finger much further up the chain of command if it means preventing their clients from being scapegoated.

"We're going to drag every single, two-star and full-bird colonel and general into this thing," said Kevin McDermott, a California-based lawyer representing Captain Lucas McConnell, the commander of Kilo Company, which carried out the Haditha killings. The defence lawyers say their clients were following official policy on the rules of engagement.

In all, 24 Iraqis, including six children, several women and an old man in a wheelchair, were killed in Haditha as the Marines responded to the death of a colleague in a roadside bombing in November 2005. Only five of the dead Iraqis have been identified as militants, while the rest appear to have been innocent civilians.

Four Marines were charged with unpremeditated murder last week, and face life imprisonment if convicted. The man who led a series of deadly house-to-house raids that day, Staff Sgt Frank Wuterich, is personally accused of murdering 12 people. Four others, including Capt McConnell, face an array of lesser charges, including failure to report the incident properly, failure to conduct an appropriate investigation and general dereliction of duty.

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http://news.independent.co.uk/world/americas/article209...
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Waya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-23-06 07:51 PM
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1. "We're going to drag every single, two-star and full-bird colonel and general into this thing,"
Now, this could get interesting........
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atreides1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-24-06 08:20 AM
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7. They can try
But the rules in a military court are very different then in a civilian court, I think the defense is just putting this out there for the media hype.

In a military court the judge is for lack of a better term "God".

Just like you don't drag government officials into civilian court without jumping through hoops of fire, dragging high ranking military officers into this trial would make walking through a minefield
with a blindfold and earmuffs look like baking cookies.
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saigon68 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-24-06 01:46 PM
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8. Nothing will happen to the higher ups
Who killed this man?

Who will Pay for his death?




The Princess of Abu Ghraib



One of Queen Lynndie England's Court


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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-23-06 08:06 PM
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2. How well did that work
at Abu Ghraib?
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man4allcats Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-23-06 08:08 PM
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3. Well, that's good.
The people who ordered this carnage should be pointed out, but that doesn't excuse those who performed the executions. If Nuremberg taught us anything, it was simply that "I was only following orders" doesn't cut it. There is a moral responsibility for soldiers. Carrying out a legal order is a requirement. Refusing to carry out an illegal one is also a requirement. Don't forget that blind obedience can land you in prison or on the gallows, and that is the way it should be.

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JohnyCanuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-23-06 08:15 PM
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4. Report out on War Crimes Committed by the United States in Iraq
This war crimes report is being advertised for the month of December in the Announcements section of the classified advertising sections of Army, Navy, Marine and Air Force Times which is distributed to subscribers and U.S. military bases worldwide. An advertising representative of Military Times, the publisher of the newspapers, said that these papers reach at least one million military personnel each week.
http://www.consumersforpeace.org



War Crimes Committed by the United States in Iraq
and Mechanisms for Accountability


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1. Introduction

The opening of the U.S./British invasion campaign against Iraq in March 20031 was one of
intense aerial bombardment designed to create shock and awe among Iraqis. The goal was to
terrorize the Iraqi people and intimidate the Iraq military. For the U.S. public, watching through
their television screens, the opening of the war was little different than a video game. Military
briefings illustrated the effectiveness of precision bombs. Later, as the land campaign got
underway, military and media reports showed U.S. forces quickly moving north into central Iraq
and meeting less resistance than had been anticipated.

From the outside, the war seemed quick and contained. However, even at this stage multiple
breaches of international humanitarian law occurred. The precision bombs touted by the military
often were not. Hundreds of civilians were killed, and massive amounts of civilian property were
destroyed. Cluster bombs were dropped on urban areas, including residential neighborhoods.
Munitions containing depleted uranium were used in bombs and artillery shells. Tanks fired into
hotels and residential areas. The basic infrastructure of Iraqs urban areas was, in many cases,
destroyed or disrupted by the invading forces.

Less well known is how the subsequent U.S./British policies and military actions in Iraq,
stretching from months into years, have included regular and serious breaches of international
law.

This paper describes the multiple and overlapping breaches of international humanitarian law
that have occurred during the U.S./British occupation of Iraq since 2003. Those infringements
have occurred at many levels, from senior members of the Bush administration, to senior military
leaders, to individual unit commanders, and to individual troops.

In responding to some of the most egregious violations of humanitarian law, the U.S.
administration and military authorities have focused on those who are sometimes termed a few
bad apples. This paper argues, however, that the choices made at more senior levels than the
ranks of individual soldiers have created the context in which regular abuses of civilians in
occupied Iraq are occurring. It is argued that: the failure to adequately rebuild the civilian and
social infrastructure; the failure to provide civilians with appropriate security; and the choices of
weapons and tactics often used in military operations all constitute war crimes. Regardless of the
rationale for invading and occupying Iraq, the U.S. and British governments, their commanders
and all their soldiers in the field are accountable for these grave breaches.

http://www.consumersforpeace.org/pdf/war_crimes_iraq_10...

The report is in pdf format so you will need to have Adobe Acrobat Reader installed to be able to read it. The Acrobat Reader is available for free here: http://www.adobe.com/products/acrobat/readstep2.html
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Az_lefty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-23-06 08:32 PM
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5. the defense lawyer if probably right...
it's policy just like Abu Ghraib...goes right back to that little SOB bush!
He set the command climate and this is what he gets.
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-23-06 09:17 PM
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6. Unlike the army that only charges, tries and jails junior enlisted personnel. nt
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Dangerman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-24-06 05:23 PM
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9. That's very kind of our troops...
Killing old men in wheelchairs.

:mad:
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-24-06 05:25 PM
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10. Following orders is not an excuse for war crimes, as established at Nuremberg Trials
However, there is nothing that says the accused cannot point fingers as to who ordered the massacre, and how many other massacres there were that were never reported.
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