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Behind the Aegis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-02-06 12:50 AM
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Darfur's violence spreads across borders
GOZ BEIDA, Chad - The chief's story is dark and familiar. Attackers on horseback shattered his dawn ritual of tea brewing — shouting racial venom, killing men, raping women. The survivors fled to a makeshift camp, sheltering from the desert sun under lengths of cloth strung from thorn trees.

Chief Umar Kabayi is not one of Darfur's tens of thousands of victims. He and his fellow villagers are Chadian, and theirs is a story of western Sudan's violence and passionate hatred spreading across borders.

"This is an old, old story," Kabayi said. "We've had disputes going back 30 years, but the chiefs would settle them. We've always lived side by side, we share the same market."

Modern politics and weapons have transformed age-old disputes over land and water in this bleak corner of Africa into something potentially explosive. Conflict is spreading south as surely as the march of the Sahara Desert and becoming increasingly violent.

Chad is buffeted by violence on multiple fronts. The government is trying to quash rebels bent on toppling President Idriss Deby. Ethnic Arab Chadians are fighting ethnic African Chadians like Kabayi, mirroring the clashes in Darfur. Sudan's Arab janjaweed militias have been chasing Darfur refugees into Chad, and there are reports they have been attacking ethnic African Chadians as well.

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AlamoDemoc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-02-06 02:04 AM
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1. Many of us would want to make sure Sudan isn't axis of Islam by this administration
Edited on Sat Dec-02-06 02:11 AM by AlamoDemoc
"Winning Modern Wars" (page 130) General Clark states the following:

"As I went back through the Pentagon in November 2001, one of the senior military staff officers had time for a chat. Yes, we were still on track for going against Iraq, he said. But there was more. This was being discussed as part of a five-year campaign plan, he said, and there were a total of seven countries, beginning with Iraq, then Syria, Lebanon, Libya, Iran, Somalia and Sudan.


America would want Darfur to be that of axis of Sudan...that all that's happening is caused by the Sudanese government....yet everyone knows that what is taking place in Darfur is civil war between two militias fighting for land.

Let Americans focus on more important oppression and occupation that have lasted 40 years: Palestine.
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fujiyama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-02-06 02:18 AM
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2. WTF?
Wow, it's incredibly crass how dismissive you are of those oppressed by Muslim Arabs.

I suppose this doesn't involve Jews so it's not important....

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AlamoDemoc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-02-06 02:44 AM
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4. you have to be blind not to realize that every nation mentioned by Clark
Edited on Sat Dec-02-06 03:10 AM by AlamoDemoc
is on the list and in turmoil, as we speak: Lebanon; Iraq, Somalia, Sudan: while Syria and Iran are next. Why then American public are so blind to the fact that the US is meddling these nations?

Lebanon:
http://www.ndtv.com/morenews/showmorestory.asp?slug=Anti-govt+protests+rock+Lebanon&id=97291

Sudan:
http://allafrica.com/stories/200612010104.html

Somalia:
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/12/02/world/africa/02nations.html

Syria:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/4530136.stm

Iran:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/6167304.stm
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AlamoDemoc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-02-06 02:18 AM
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3. Sudan!
Edited on Sat Dec-02-06 02:29 AM by AlamoDemoc
Sudan Civil War


The SPLA, and its NDA allies have received political, military and logistical support primarily from Ethiopia, Uganda and Eritrea. These states were firmly behind efforts to overthrow the Sudan Government and install in its place Sudanese opposition groups, operating under the umbrella of a coalition known as the National Democratic Alliance (NDA). From the outset, the SPLA had the support of the Government of Ethiopia. Uganda provided the SPLA with access to arms and permission to train its forces within its territory. Eritrea allowed the SAF to use its territory for training, and supports its activities. They received indirect support from the United States. The US allocated $20 million in “non-lethal” military assistance to SPLA supporters (Uganda, Eritrea, Ethiopia) in February 1998 for defense against opposition groups in their countries backed by Sudan. Sudan has long accused Eritrea, which has a hostile relationship with Khartoum, of providing training facilities and arms to the SPLA in the south, to rebel forces in Darfur, and another rebel group called Beja Congress in the east.

Sudan has two distinct major cultures--Arab and Black African--with hundreds of ethnic and tribal divisions and language groups, which makes effective collaboration among them a major problem.

The northern states cover most of the Sudan and include most of the urban centers. Most of the 22 million Sudanese who live in this region are Arabic speaking Muslims, though the majority also use a traditional non-Arabic mother tongue (i.e., Nubian, Beja, Fur, Nuban, Ingessana, etc.) Among these are several distinct tribal groups; the Kababish of northern Kordofan, a camel-raising people; the Ja’alin and Shaigiyya groups of settled tribes along the rivers; the seminomadic Baggara of Kordofan and Darfur; the Hamitic Beja in the Red Sea area and Nubians of the northern Nile areas, some of whom have been resettled on the Atbara River; and the Negroid Nuba of southern Kordofan and Fur in the western reaches of the country.

The southern region has a population of around 6 million and a predominantly rural, subsistence economy. This region has been negatively affected by war for all but 10 years of the independence period (1956), resulting in serious neglect, lack of infrastructure development, and major destruction and displacement. More than 2 million people have died, and more than 4 million are internally displaced or become refugees as a result of the civil war and war-related impacts. Here the Sudanese practice mainly indigenous traditional beliefs, although Christian missionaries have converted some. The south also contains many tribal groups and uses many more languages than in the north. The Dinka (pop. est. more than 1 million) is the largest of the many Black African tribes of the Sudan. Along with the Shilluk and the Nuer, they are among the Nilotic tribes. The Azande, Bor, and Jo Luo are “Sudanic” tribes in the west, and the Acholi and Lotuhu live in the extreme south, extending into Uganda.

Sudan was a collection of small, independent kingdoms and principalities from the beginning of the Christian era until 1820-21, when Egypt conquered and unified the northern portion of the country. Historically, the pestilential swamps of the Suud discouraged expansion into the deeper south of the country. Although Egypt claimed all of the present Sudan during most of the 19th century, it was unable to establish effective control over southern Sudan, which remained an area of fragmented tribes subject to frequent attacks by slave raiders.

In 1881, a religious leader named Muhammad ibn Abdalla proclaimed himself the Mahdi, or the “expected one,” and began a religious crusade to unify the tribes in western and central Sudan. His followers took on the name “Ansars” (the followers) which they continue to use today and are associated with the single largest political grouping, the Umma Party, led by the descendant of the Mahdi, Sadiq al Mahdi. Taking advantage of conditions resulting from Ottoman-Egyptian exploitation and maladministration, the Mahdi led a nationalist revolt culminating in the fall of Khartoum in 1885. The Mahdi died shortly thereafter, but his state survived until overwhelmed by an Ango-Egyptian force under Lord Kitchener in 1898. Sudan was proclaimed a condominium in 1899 under British-Egyptian administration. While maintaining the appearance of joint administration, the British Empire formulated policies, and supplied most of the top administrators.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sudan
http://www.sudan.net/
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TheMadMonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-02-06 02:59 AM
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5. I've often said. If the US really wants to prove itself...
as the police force to the world, it should intervene in the many African disputes.

Unfortunately, I'm now getting cynical, and seeing a deliberate blind eye being turned. And eventually when things like this totally explode, a "Compasionate US" will step in and park it's big fat greedy arse down on top of the many valuable mineral resources of the region.
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AlamoDemoc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-02-06 03:17 AM
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6. please read the links I listed on each nation, and you would realize what Gen. Clark was saying
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TheMadMonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-02-06 05:06 AM
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7. Guess I wasn't real clear.
Not that long ago, I was one of the people saying, "Bad as the US is, the alternatives were worse." "Sadam had to go" "Palestine asks for everything it gets".

I started on DU merely to be amused by the Top Ten and slowly got edumakated.

Up till then was not really on top of how many pies the US (under the pukes) had it's filthy finger in and how much shit they were stirring up to their own advantage.

My observation might still apply. Clandestinely stirring the pot, so as to claim the moral advantage when they jump in with both jackbooted feet.
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