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DeepModem Mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-30-06 02:04 AM
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WP: Church Is Urged to Disinvite Obama
Church Is Urged to Disinvite Obama
By Alan Cooperman
Washington Post Staff Writer
Thursday, November 30, 2006; Page A04

Antiabortion groups are assailing one of the nation's most influential evangelicals, the Rev. Rick Warren, for inviting Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.) to speak at a conference on HIV/AIDS at his Southern California megachurch this weekend.

In a statement, 18 antiabortion leaders called on Warren to rescind the invitation because Obama supports keeping abortion legal.

"You cannot fight one evil while justifying another," says the appeal, whose signers include Phyllis Schlafly of the Eagle Forum, Judie Brown of the American Life League and Tim Wildmon of the American Family Association.

Warren, author of the bestseller "The Purpose Driven Life," responded yesterday by asserting that he and his wife, Kay, are "staunchly pro-life" and "completely disagree" with Obama's position in favor of abortion rights.

Obama was one of 60 speakers invited to "share his views on AIDS, not abortion or any other issue," the Warrens said in a statement issued by their Saddleback Valley Community Church. They added that Obama and Sen. Sam Brownback (R-Kan.) will "present two different political perspectives" at the weekend "Summit on AIDS and the Church."...

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/20...
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Ignacio Upton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-30-06 02:11 AM
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1. At least Warren is open to talking about things BEYOND wedge issues
n/t.
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Kiouni Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-30-06 02:49 AM
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2. Rev. Rick Warren gets moved up
Edited on Thu Nov-30-06 02:53 AM by Kiouni
in my books. I'm always glad to see religious leaders engaging in dialogue with any person of another thought. p.s. Spong's the shit.
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bling bling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-30-06 02:55 AM
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3. This ought to be interesting.
I'm looking forward to seeing how the controversy plays out after Obama has given his speech. I hope the intolerant anti-women's-choice people who are protesting end up feeling foolish for being so hostile towards Obama.

And I'll tell you what else: if those control freaks can't stand to be in the same location with a pro-choice rep they really oughtta get the fuck out of America and go live in another country who's constitution is more aligned to their viewpoints. Assholes.
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POAS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-30-06 03:24 AM
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4. This quote sums it up for me
Edited on Thu Nov-30-06 03:58 AM by POAS
""You cannot fight one evil while justifying another," says the appeal"

If you have an opinion different from theirs you are EVIL. They, and only they, have the truth.

And this quote also implies an evil nature to HIV/AIDS. It is a disease that can be treated and hopefully someday cured. It is no more evil than a cold or the flu. I'm sure that their real meaning is their notion that HIV/AIDS is a scourge on homosexuals and that is the evil that must be fought.
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angry_chuck Donating Member (346 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-30-06 03:52 AM
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5. you are correct
Edited on Thu Nov-30-06 03:54 AM by angry_chuck
these bigots cannot see past the end of days blood bubble forming in their collective consciousness. It is no wonder that Philis Schafly signed the hate letter. She is the morally bankrupt witch that created what Karl Rovejob has perfected. They are just idiot, zealot, racists; and their ideas and rhetoric should be wiped from the earth like true disease they are.
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-30-06 05:07 AM
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6. so just listening to barak is evil?
"You cannot fight one evil while justifying another," -- how exactly is mr warren supposed to interpret that comment?

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krispos42 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-30-06 05:26 AM
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8. Barack's middle name is "Hussein", so he must be evil
I'm sure that is how those 18 nutjobs feel.

*sigh* there are none so sad as those that actively seek to keep their minds closed.
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-30-06 05:48 AM
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9. it's a disease called ''willful ignorance''.
it's not that this crew doesn't Know the Truth -- it's that for the sake of power they choose to spit in it's face so they can control others.
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Roland99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-30-06 05:08 AM
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7. Obama's gonna wipe the floor with ol' Brokebrownback.
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tanyev Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-30-06 07:31 AM
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10. They don't want to hear from anyone who isn't already in lockstep
with them on every single issue. Which only feeds the cycle of igorance.
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gratuitous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-30-06 07:54 AM
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11. Aren't these the same people . . . ?
Aren't these the same people who are constantly whining that Democrats don't engage with them? Well, here's a Democrat going right to the black little heart of their personal darkness, and their knee-jerk reaction is "Noooo!"
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jefferson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-30-06 08:27 AM
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12. Famed pastor defends invitation to Obama
Famed pastor defends invitation to Obama
By NEDRA PICKLER, Associated Press Writer

WASHINGTON - Famed pastor and best-selling author Rick Warren on Wednesday defended his invitation to Sen. Barack Obama to speak at his church despite objections from some evangelicals who oppose the Democrat's support for abortion rights.

Obama is one of nearly 60 speakers scheduled to address the second annual Global Summit on AIDS and the Church beginning Thursday at Warren's Saddleback Church in Lake Forest, Calif.

Obama, who is mulling a run for president, plans to take an HIV test during his appearance Friday and encourage others to do the same. The Illinois Democrat will be joined by a potential 2008 White House rival Republican Sen. Sam Brownback (news, bio, voting record) of Kansas and is urging unity to fight AIDS despite differences on other issues.

Conservative evangelical Rob Schenck, president of the National Clergy Council, e-mailed reporters Tuesday to protest the visit because of Obama's support of abortion rights. "Senator Obama's policies represent the antithesis of biblical ethics and morality, not to mention supreme American values," Schenck wrote.

<SNIP>

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20061130/ap_on_go_co/democra...
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qanda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-30-06 08:27 AM
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13. "not to mention supreme American values"
WHAT are those? The ideals of the KKK?
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acmejack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-30-06 08:27 AM
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14. Those of Scalia?
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BOSSHOG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-30-06 08:27 AM
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15. They call it an Obamanation
And I'd like to thank rob schenck for pointing out that the Senator does not represent "biblical ethics and morality." Where does the Senator think he is, the Land of the Free?

Its the constitution, stupidssss!
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Tesla Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-30-06 08:27 AM
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16. There way is the only way....
Didn't ya know?? :sarcasm:
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leesa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-30-06 08:32 AM
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17. This public HIV testing of Obama's is rather annoying. Exactly what is
the point of that? To show how blood is drawn? It would be interesting to see his reaction if it came back positive.
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newyorican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-30-06 10:07 AM
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18. The testing that took place in Africa...
was to demonstrate to people that were frightened to get tested. If that is the "public testing" you are referring to.

The "public testing" did encourage many people to set aside their fears and get tested, by the way.
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goclark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-30-06 10:29 AM
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19. He is setting an example for people all over the world


If it came back positive than he would probably save his life because he did the right thing.

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dogfacedboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-30-06 02:51 PM
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22. To set an example. Have you been tested? If not, why not? n/t
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Megahurtz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-30-06 02:09 PM
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20. Sorry Churches, it's None of Your Damn Business. n/t
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warrens Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-30-06 02:20 PM
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21. Better beef up security at that church
These people are dangerous fanatics.
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