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Jcrowley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-10-06 12:09 AM
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Sen. Reid Backs Lieberman for Homeland Security Chairmanship
Thursday, Nov. 9, 2006 5:18 p.m. EST

Sen. Reid Backs Lieberman for Homeland Security Chairmanship


Newly re-elected Sen. Joe Lieberman has been promised by Sen. Harry Reid – who is in line to become the next Senate Majority Leader – that he will support Lieberman’s efforts to become chairman of the powerful Homeland Security Committee.

In a private phone call on Wednesday, Nevada’s Reid told Lieberman that he would recognize Lieberman as the senior Democrat on the Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs Committee, which would facilitate Lieberman’s move into the post.

Lieberman was the ranking Democrat on the committee, but he lost the Democratic primary in Connecticut and ran successfully as an independent. That leaves Carl Levin of Michigan as the senior committee member elected as a Democrat.

However, Lieberman had promised – before the election – that if he won he would continue voting with the Democratic Senate Caucus. Reid is evidently seeking to reward Lieberman for his loyalty with the chairmanship.

http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2006/11/9/171950.shtml?s=al&promo_code=2831-1
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JI7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-10-06 12:09 AM
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1. it's newsmax, do you have another source ?
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Jcrowley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-10-06 12:22 AM
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11. Poke around
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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-10-06 12:11 AM
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2. That's fair
That's the game we play.
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Cheney Killed Bambi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-10-06 12:13 AM
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4. elections have consequences
and this is one we lost. So Lieberman gets the Chair. Either that or we lose the majority.
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Xipe Totec Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-10-06 12:20 AM
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9. Lieberman gets the Chair
I love the sound of that.

Oh, wait, you mean the committee chairmanship?







Never mind... :hide:

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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-10-06 12:32 AM
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16. Paging Agent Mike
Mess in post 9. :P
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Art_from_Ark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-10-06 01:29 AM
Response to Reply #16
22. I think the poster was thinking "Lieberman gets the chair,
as in 'the last chair in musical chairs'"

Yeah, that's it! :P
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Xipe Totec Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-10-06 10:41 AM
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77. I was thinking of this chair...


Oh well. :yoiks:

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saigon68 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-10-06 11:05 AM
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78. This CHAIR would FIT him better


1881 - Dr. Albert Southwick, a dentist and former steamboat engineer, sees elderly drunkard touch terminals of electrical generator in Buffalo, New York. He is amazed at how quickly and apparently painlessly the man is killed and describes episode to friend State Senator David McMillan.

1881 - McMillan speaks to Governor David B. Hill. Hill asks state legislature to consider how modern
day electricity might replace hanging.
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lovuian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-11-06 01:43 PM
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116. Isn't Lieberman the Bush Spy that sold out Gore in 2000
isn't he the SUPPOSEDED LOYAL DEMOCRAT who was a TRAITOR to Democrats and he GETS Chairmanship of HOMELAND SECURITY UNDER REID... Democrats rewarding Independant Traitors to the Democratic Party


Me thinks there are some Powerful men who are being exposed for their aiding and abetting Tryanny

Be careful here Harry
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barb162 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-12-06 02:07 AM
Response to Reply #116
133.  So did you vote for Gore/Lieberman or Bush/ Cheney
Edited on Sun Nov-12-06 02:09 AM by barb162
Wow, all the criminal phrases we have here. Aiding and abetting tyranny, traitor, etc. Shouldn't you be reporting Lieberman to the FBI or Homeland Security? (Oh wait, he's gonna be head of the Homeland Security Committeee) My, my, my, sounds like this man should be locked up for a million years at least. No, two million years.
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Jawja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-10-06 07:47 AM
Response to Reply #2
48. Yep.
In return for a Senate majority, Lieberman will get a chairmanship. That is expected.
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SharonAnn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-11-06 10:26 AM
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99. I think Lieberman will be a good Chair. He knows the issues and
has been in the forefront of defining the changes that need to be made.

Remember, he championed this strongly, when * was fighting it.

I'm OK with this.

Where I would prefer NOT to see him is anything dealing with Finance or Insurance or Investment companies. His ties there are too close and he thinks more of what they want rather than what citizens need.
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JI7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-10-06 12:12 AM
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3. "reward Lieberman for his loyalty"
does that mean if he was passed over for the position he would caucus with the Republicans ?
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MisterP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-10-06 12:30 AM
Response to Reply #3
15. all the loyalty of Ben Nightmare Campbell...
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Art_from_Ark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-10-06 02:13 AM
Response to Reply #15
29. And Richard "The Dick" Shelby
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theboss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-10-06 09:07 AM
Response to Reply #15
54. Who left of his own accord
Joe never left. He was forced to run as an I.
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Warren Stupidity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-10-06 09:23 AM
Response to Reply #54
55. No wasn't forced to run as anything.
He lost the Democratic Party primary fair and square. He is an asshole. Hopefully Senator Thomas will step down and Joe will be irrelevant.
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theboss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-10-06 09:28 AM
Response to Reply #55
57. And he won the general
I'm still trying to figure out why Joe was supposed to not run for an office that he knew he would easily win. Particularly when there was no guarantee that Lamont was going to win the general.

To me, this whole Lieberman fiasco is proof enough why the "netroots" and "Move-on" and "Kos" and "DU" and all the radical websites need to stay as far away from positions of influence in the party as possible. They have passion, money, and ideas. And all those are extremely important. But the very concept of strategy seems foreign to them.
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Warren Stupidity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-10-06 09:29 AM
Response to Reply #57
59. Because he lost the Democratic Primary. nt.
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theboss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-10-06 09:33 AM
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64. Which means what exactly?
Last time I checked, it's the general election that matters.

Look, if he was going to split the vote and give the race to a Republican, that would be one thing. I would be calling for his head to. But he won in a walk, and everyone knew he was going to win in a walk.
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PassingFair Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-10-06 10:27 AM
Response to Reply #64
73. Because he didn't win
AS A DEMOCRAT.

As a Democrat, he LOST.

Get it?

He won with Republican money and Republican votes.

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theboss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-10-06 10:34 AM
Response to Reply #73
76. And yet he is caucusing with us
Shows how smart Republicans are.
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PassingFair Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-10-06 11:39 AM
Response to Reply #76
80. And voting with THEM
Edited on Fri Nov-10-06 11:42 AM by PassingFair
Shows how stupid the DLC is.



Oh, wait, the DLC dems voted FOR
the bankruptcy law changes, the
Iraq War, Patriot Act and Torture.

Guess you're not so stupid after all.
You and the pubs get what you want....
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theboss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-10-06 12:04 PM
Response to Reply #80
81. I'd rather have the caucus than the vote at this point
All that matters is having the majority right now. I'd welcome back Jesse Helms to the Dems at this point if it keeps us at 51 senators.
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Mudoria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-10-06 12:36 PM
Response to Reply #73
86. Actually he won with independent votes
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PassingFair Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-10-06 01:17 PM
Response to Reply #86
91. How many republicans voted for Schlesinger?
Independent my *ss!

If Joe had done what any other
ethical democrat would have done,
Lamont would be taking a seat in
the senate in January, and no one
would have to be kissing ANYONE'S
butt.
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stepnw1f Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-11-06 02:12 PM
Response to Reply #64
119. It Means He Was Elected by REPUBLICANS
not Democrats.... what does THAT tell you?
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-10-06 07:07 AM
Response to Reply #3
47. That mean's it's a bribe to stay in line. n/t
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noamnety Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-10-06 12:14 AM
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5. reward = bribe (nt)
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-10-06 12:14 AM
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6. Loyalty? WHAT loyalty?
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-10-06 06:36 AM
Response to Reply #6
41. Galling, isn't it?
NT!

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TankLV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-11-06 01:36 PM
Response to Reply #41
112. Yes - quite! And he's my Senator!
I knew there was too much good news this week.

But maybe it's a "bribe" to make sure he doesn't join his repuke friends in name...
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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-10-06 10:16 AM
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71. For not caucusing with the GOP and giving away the majority
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-10-06 12:09 PM
Response to Reply #71
82. Smug, blackmailing prick.
I can't stand the sight of him.
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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-10-06 12:21 PM
Response to Reply #82
83. Apperently a majority of CT voters do not share you sentiment
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-10-06 12:41 PM
Response to Reply #83
89. One of the joys of being a New Yorker.
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Tight_rope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-10-06 12:39 PM
Response to Reply #6
88. I was going to pose the same question...Joe better get his ass in gear!
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-10-06 12:15 AM
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7. It was his in the first place
Maybe now he can structure it the way he had planned to begin with.
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buff2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-10-06 12:18 AM
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8. Oh Khrist.........
More proof Reid is another DINO. LIEberman abandoned his party and ran as an Independant. Why the hell should he be a majority leader for DEMOCRATS?? He will still vote with the repukes anyway. :argh:
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NYC Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-10-06 02:04 AM
Response to Reply #8
28. DINO? No. Politically smart? Yes.
Lieberman has already said he will caucus with the Dems, giving us a majority. Unfortunately, without him we don't have that majority. Which means we won't have any committee chairmanships at all.
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PassingFair Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-10-06 10:30 AM
Response to Reply #28
74. That's ridiculous
Our majority gives us the committee chairmanships.

Just not the tie-breaking vote if you include darth cheney...

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NYC Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-11-06 07:43 AM
Response to Reply #74
97. We have 51 seats because of the 2 Independents (Bernie and Joe)
There are 49 Democrats in the Senate, so if Lieberman wasn't caucusing with us, we would have 50 seats total, hence no majority and no chairmanships.
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against all enemies Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-11-06 01:43 PM
Response to Reply #97
115. We would have had 50 if Lieberman hadn't run against Lamont.
And if they could have counted the votes right in 2000 Joe would have caused the Senate to go Republican then. It's Joe looking out for Joe. Can't wait till he's gone.
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NYC Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-11-06 05:03 PM
Response to Reply #115
121. Neither can I, and I wish he hadn't run so that Lamont would've won.
Edited on Sat Nov-11-06 05:03 PM by NYC Liberal
Unfortunately, we have to deal with what we've got.

So say, essentially, Lieberman basically a Repuke. In essence, that means we're giving up one chairmanship to a Repuke. <b>BUT</b> it's a small price to pay for keeping the majority. It's giving up one chair vs. giving up all 17 if we pushed Joe out and lost the majority.

Basically, let's work to making sure we can increase the majority in 2008 so we don't have to worry about Joe! Or hope a Repuke Senator from a state with a Dem. governor takes a position in Bush's admin. so that we don't need to worry about him.
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raebrek Donating Member (467 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-10-06 07:03 AM
Response to Reply #8
45. Hi Group
The party left Lieberman because they didn't like where he stood. That was their prerogative. Lieberman recognized that he was getting the shaft. He didn't take any bullying and stuck up for the people that wanted him. Hey, they might have been able to Shang Hai the primary from Lieberman but he proved that he is who his people want. Luckily Lieberman isn't vindictive or he would caucus with the red side and tell the dem's to byte him.
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PassingFair Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-10-06 10:31 AM
Response to Reply #45
75. "stuck up for the people that wanted him"
the war mongers and the republicans....
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-10-06 11:22 AM
Response to Reply #8
79. Lieberman has always voted with the Dems 95% of the time
The jacket that was hung on Joe Lieberman was his kissy kissy to junior and his war plan.
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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-11-06 01:05 PM
Response to Reply #8
108. For Christ's sake, quit the circular firing squad crap
DINO does not = Doing something you don't like, quit abusing the term. Anyone who says Reid is a DINO is abusing the term.
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BlueManDude Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-10-06 12:22 AM
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10. IMO Lieberman is just not that important.
Edited on Fri Nov-10-06 12:22 AM by BlueManDude
It's the facts on the ground in Iraq that matter. These facts will increasingly maginalize fools like Joe Lieberman. He's irrelevant.
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barb162 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-10-06 01:39 AM
Response to Reply #10
26. Lieberman will keep the Senate majority with the Democrats.
If you don't think that's important, then you must think the Democratic agenda isn't important because it will never be implemented without Lieberman. Lieberman is no fool and he's not irrelevant. He won as an Independent which is very difficult to do.
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BlueManDude Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-10-06 07:51 AM
Response to Reply #26
49. Point is, I'm not bent out of shape by his chairmanship
If that's what it takes fine with me. Events in Iraq are beyond our control and as it gets worse over there those like Joe Lieberman will cease to be taken seriously.
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barb162 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-10-06 12:35 PM
Response to Reply #49
85. Events in Iraq are beyond our control
That's for damned sure.

I think Lieberman will "go along" more this next term unless the Democrats downplay the terrorism issue. The Democrats need to seize this issue/ taken it away from Bush
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LeftishBrit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-10-06 03:03 PM
Response to Reply #10
92. 'These facts will increasingly maginalize fools like Joe Lieberman'
Edited on Fri Nov-10-06 03:06 PM by LeftishBrit
Agree totally with BlueManDude!

Seems to me that he's already been greatly marginalized from being a potential major party leader, to being like one of those members of tiny obscure parties, to whom a centre-left coalition in a multi-party parliamentary system might need to toss a bone to ensure a stable majority.

For the sake of the world, please don't make him president, but please don't shove the senate back into Cheney's hands because of him either!

And as for the Republicans, they dumped their own candidate for someone who will now follow the prevailing wind against them, and serve them bloody well right!
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DocSavage Donating Member (594 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-11-06 10:02 AM
Response to Reply #10
98. You had better do a little more reading
if you not not think Liberman is important. You had better get ready for Webb and Liberman to vote with the republicans on defense and Iraq. Yeah, the majority in number is D but some of the newly elected members are like Sam Nunn in thier thinking.
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-10-06 12:23 AM
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12. If true, no suprise here. Reid was never pro- Lamont. n/t
n/t
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LynneSin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-10-06 09:51 AM
Response to Reply #12
69. So, you're pro-republican majority then
The elections are overwith - this is what we have. I hate to be all cut and dry but whoever gets Lieberman gets the majority, that's the simple math.

I think this is a good fit for Lieberman and hopefully he will follow through with the 9/11 Commission recommendations.

BTW, I know you're not pro-republican majority but I'm just tired of people not recognizing that we cannot have a Senate majority without Lieberman
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-10-06 12:42 PM
Response to Reply #69
90. HELL NO. I am only saying this is no suprise- this is what we all knew what would happen.
My post was stating a simple, factual observation.

Dont put words in my mouth- I agree that we are forced to work with Lieberman.

The good thing is we can say that the 70% of Republicans who voted for him were apparently anti-Bush, b/c he promised to caucus w/ DEMS.

I am done with arguing for now- I was just making an observation.
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martymar64 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-11-06 05:52 PM
Response to Reply #69
126. As for Holy Joe
Anything that will get us out of Iraq, Holy Joe will be against. He may vote with Dems on trivial resolutions like naming post offices, but on the important issues, he's Bush and Cheney's boy.
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davidinalameda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-10-06 12:24 AM
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13. it's a way to make sure he keeps his word
and caucuses with the Democrats



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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-10-06 06:38 AM
Response to Reply #13
42. Alternatively, it's a way for him to see he can demand what he wants.
"What? I can't be on the Judiciary? Oh, maybe the Republicans will let me be on it then..."

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JPZenger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-10-06 03:54 PM
Response to Reply #13
95. Yes, if he bolts from the Dems, we lose the Senate
Edited on Fri Nov-10-06 03:55 PM by JPZenger
The Dems have a 51-49 majority when Lieberman votes with the Dems. If we piss him off, he joins the Repubs. That results in a 50-50 split, with Darth Cheney casting all the tie-breaking votes. I'm willing to forgive Lieberman and suck up to him a little bit to keep the Senate.

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Donnachaidh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-10-06 12:24 AM
Response to Original message
14. is he f*cking kidding me?
Uh oh.

Guess we have to start watching the DEMS now? Liberman should be relegated to changing the pucky things in the Senate washroom for his past actions. NOT rewarded.
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TankLV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-10-06 12:32 AM
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17. Oh brother...
Way to show loyalty, Harry...

Just when it gets good, you can depend on Harry to pull a boner...

this is just plain disgusting...
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oasis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-10-06 12:35 AM
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18. Joe had better start voting the right way.
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-10-06 06:39 AM
Response to Reply #18
43. And if he doesn't?
NT!

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theboss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-10-06 09:50 AM
Response to Reply #43
68. He'll lose the primary again in six years
Of course, that doesn't seem to matter much but whatever.
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-10-06 06:31 PM
Response to Reply #68
96. That's it?
Not much of a backup plan.

Do we have one if he does decide to go Republican?

We should at least be prepared for the worst, and hope for the best.

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antonialee839 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-10-06 01:11 AM
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19. Lieberman is loyal to Lieberman. We have to reward him for that?
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knight_of_the_star Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-10-06 01:19 AM
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20. It keeps him quiet
At least until '08, when we pick up four more Senate seats. We need him to stay loyal just long enough to get a bigger margin for majority, then Lieberman doesn't matter.
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-10-06 06:41 AM
Response to Reply #20
44. Meanwhile, b*s* could escalate the war.
Kill more. Inflame the area further. Get us all killed.

And lieberman will be right there, supporting that fucking criminal the whole time.

Some win we got. Yay, Dems.

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Telly Savalas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-11-06 06:43 PM
Response to Reply #44
129. What impact will granting him the chair of the Homeland Security
Committee have on the war?

Would the war end sooner if Reid told him he couldn't have the chair? How would that work?
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barb162 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-10-06 01:34 AM
Response to Reply #19
24. Reid is loyal to Reid, Obama is loyal to Obama, etc. Right?
Isn't every person's first interest to be be loyal to him or her self?

And yes, they really do want to reward him. Keeping the majority is really important.

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antonialee839 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-10-06 01:39 AM
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25. Sorry, but I just can't picture Reid kissing Bush's ass like
Edited on Fri Nov-10-06 01:41 AM by antonialee839
Lieberman has done. Come to think of it, Lieberman actually did kiss Bush. I know we have to throw this creep a bone, but it really irks me.

edited to include not being able to picture Obama kissing Bush either.
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barb162 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-10-06 01:52 AM
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27. One of the first things Obama did when getting in the Senate
was approving Condi Rice for Sec of State. He got a really nasty letter from me for that boner. Reid will be kissing Lieberman's ass if Reid wants to be Senate majority leader.





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CreekDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-10-06 03:32 AM
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32. If we want to be a majority, that has to include Lieberman this time around
Boxer head of Environment committee instead of Inhofe
Leahy head of Judiciary instead of Hatch

Yes, kiss Lieberman's ass this time around.

Do any of you suggesting we cut Lieberman loose know squat about
1) our constitution in regards to the Senate
2) Senate rules
3) simple math:
the difference between having 51 votes out of 101 and 50 votes out of 101
and which one is better?

If you know those things, then you know that what we get more than we give.
We give Lieberman less than we get from being the majority.

And before you all gripe about kissing Lieberman's ass, please don't expect Harry Reid to sacrifice the party's majority in order to kiss your ass.

I've never sworn so much in my life. Shape up people!
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CookieD Donating Member (255 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-10-06 09:48 AM
Response to Reply #32
67. Well stated! n/t
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barb162 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-10-06 12:22 PM
Response to Reply #32
84. I can't agree with you more. Good post
Edited on Fri Nov-10-06 12:22 PM by barb162
I think Lieberman will be around a long time and that's because the people of CT know he's the best candidate for them. Otherwise they wouldn't have voted for him.

Harry Reid is doing the right thing
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fujiyama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-11-06 05:18 PM
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124. I thought Dems got elected
to be petty and vindictive and not get anything done!

People really have to get over Lieberman. Let him have the chair of the committee he basically started. I'd rather have him on this than banking.

Levin will chair Armed Forces I believe. He's my senator and of course, he'd be better than Lieberman for that post as well...





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CreekDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-10-06 03:42 AM
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35. deleted
Edited on Fri Nov-10-06 03:45 AM by CreekDog
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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-10-06 10:17 AM
Response to Reply #19
72. Would you prefer that he caucus with the Republicans?
:shrug:
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lovuian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-11-06 01:39 PM
Response to Reply #19
113. Liberman is LOYAL to Bush remember the Judas Kiss
the democrat constituents... Know he ISN"T a Democrat
just cause harry reid says it doesn't make it so...
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LiberalFighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-10-06 01:19 AM
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21. On another note... Line of succession
Currently top 3 spots (last two change in January)

The Vice President Richard Cheney
Speaker of the House John Dennis Hastert
President pro tempore of the Senate Ted Stevens

Pelosi
and would it be Byrd for President pro tempore?
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Pastiche423 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-10-06 01:31 AM
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23. WTF?
Can we prevent Reid from becoming Senate Majority Leader?
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-10-06 03:36 AM
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stepnw1f Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-10-06 12:37 PM
Response to Reply #23
87. I'm With You....
I'm less than impressed with Reid.
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flordehinojos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-10-06 03:13 AM
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30. that is just too bad ...
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-10-06 03:25 AM
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Hawkowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-10-06 03:41 AM
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34. Selfish
I know it's selfish of me, but if he can stop the TSA people from harassing me every damn day at work, It would go a long way towards reconcillation on my part.
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wellst0nev0ter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-10-06 04:16 AM
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36. Oh Great, The Guy Who Voted For Brownie Gets A Cookie
Yeppers, whatever it takes to maintain the incumbency protection racket :eyes:
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w4rma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-10-06 04:27 AM
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37. Bah, I suppose there is no other choice. Have to placate the egocentric loose cannon. (nt)
Edited on Fri Nov-10-06 04:28 AM by w4rma
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CreekDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-10-06 04:30 AM
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38. w4rma, yup, it sucks, but it's the smart thing to do
Give him the committee, take the majority that comes with it and as consolation, everyone can still call him weasel, loserman, wanker, etc.
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w4rma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-10-06 04:49 AM
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39. I am, however, happy that we have effectively destroyed any authority Lieberman has when he tries
Edited on Fri Nov-10-06 04:53 AM by w4rma
to say that he speaks for the Democratic Party or when he tries to say that he has Democrats' best interests in mind.

Lieberman has been marginalized in that sense.

Everytime someone tries to blame Democrats for trying to push censorship of video games, music and movies we only have to point out that that was Lieberman's crusade and that Democrats rejected him in our primary so he had to run as an independent where he won with the vast majority of his support from the Republican Party.
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-10-06 06:35 AM
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40. He didn't even vote with us on some critical issues...
...when he WASN'T in the position he's in.

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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-10-06 07:06 AM
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46. Will this be a big enough pay-off to keep LIEberman in line?
Hopefully, he'll abuse his position, get caught taking bribes, and be forced to resign.

By the way, NewsMax is not a real source. Do you have a better link?
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iamjoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-10-06 08:04 AM
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50. No Way
If Lieberman caucuses with the Democrats, I don't want him to resign.

I believe the governor of CT is a Rep. If Lieberman resigns, she appoints his replacement, who you know would be a loyal Rep.

And I wouldn't want a Democrat involved in a scandal anyway. We need to keep ourselves clean if we hope to keep Congress & maybe win the White House in '08.
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martymar64 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-11-06 05:57 PM
Response to Reply #50
128. At least in 08
We can gain more Democratic Senate seats and be able to safely dump Holy Joe.
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brentspeak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-10-06 08:07 AM
Response to Original message
51. NEWSMAX??????
Since when was Newsmax an acceptable LBN source?
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MrPrax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-10-06 09:03 AM
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52. Biggest winner was Liebermann...
If Reid thinks that somehow there is a 'tit for tat' payoff to 'buy' Lieberman's loyalty, he is surely mistaken.

It's not lost on Lieberman that he might be the 'deciding' vote on many issues and so his influence will go far beyond any committee chairmanship -- to get Joe's loyalty will be a case by case thing. If there is a Dem-sponsored bill coming down the pike and Joe doesn't like it, Joe will simply make a call. Best part is that no one will know about it. The republicans will be trying to buy his loyalty as well -- who knows what he promised them, while he used their 'good offices' and 'supporters'. (only like 25% of dems voted for Joe and they stayed loyal)

Treat him as hostile and make him 'reach consensus' -- not the other way around. It looks very fishy when it in all honesty, Lieberman has been more tied to the Admin's foreign policy adventures than any other democrat,which he then, ends up being the ONLY politician rewarded by elites, for a war that the bulk of the American people repudiated in this election.

Why would Reid or any democrat trust this guy?

If anything you would think that Reid MIGHT consider the feelings of people in his own party, who wasted their time and money having to fight a losing cause against Lieberman. Moreover, Lieberman's campaign was vile and generally did little more than attack democrats. Hell, with Lieberman in this position, what precisely would stop him from 'spinning' for McCain or will his loyalty for the NEXT dem Presidential nominee be another subject of negotiations? Perhaps another shot at VP? Which party?

Moreover, is Reid actually saying that given the considerable gains democrats made Tuesday, that there is NO ONE else JUST elected by the American people to sit on this committee? Doesn't send a healthy signal to the rest of the party. While Lieberman's victory can be explained within the politics of Connecticut, many of the policies he shamelessly supported like Iraq, were rejected. This alone should make Reid pause for thought.

It's really quite too bad that you can do things that would get you kick/ban from DU, but still end up retaining power in the nation's highest offices.

I believe the elites think differently about democracy than you or I.

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theboss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-10-06 09:06 AM
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53. I'd like this from a source other than Newsmax
But, on its face, it makes sense. And Lieberman would be the right choice. With him running that committee, no one can say that the Dems don't take it seriously.
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Vidar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-10-06 09:25 AM
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56. Hopefully Lieberman can't do too much harm with that one.
Just don't let him near foreign affairs or armed services.
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NoodleyAppendage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-10-06 09:29 AM
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58. Lieberman is a PIECE OF SH*T...love for self over party.
I was so hoping for a 53 Dem Senate, which would make Lieberman IRRELEVANT and push him towards his Repuke Overlords.

But, instead he's rewarded for his turncoat, radical Zionist, pro-Neocon behavior...

J
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Marie26 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-10-06 09:30 AM
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60. NOOOOO
Why is Lieberman so popular w/Senate Democrats? He has totally betrayed the party. Or is this just a Lieberman blackmail deal where he'll only caucus w/the Dems if they offer him a committee chairmanship?
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The Stranger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-10-06 09:30 AM
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61. How about a non-Neocon to lead the Neocon Department?
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barb162 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-12-06 01:55 AM
Response to Reply #61
132.  Tell it to Harry Reid. I'm sure he'll be glad to hear from you.
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NoodleyAppendage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-10-06 09:31 AM
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62. Does this mean that Lieberselfish gets to shape the Domestic Spying Program?
What evidence do we have that Lieberselfish values the Bill of Rights and Constitution over the Neocon agenda and domestic spying efforts???

J
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barb162 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-11-06 12:59 PM
Response to Reply #62
106.  Do you ask this question of all the other Senators?
If not, why not?
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NoodleyAppendage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-12-06 12:19 AM
Response to Reply #106
131. Oh, I don't know...I guess I'm anti-semetic. NOT. Move on w/ your baiting.
Lieberselfish has proven through his actions and votes that he values the Neocon agenda. It just so happens that he's Jewish and an asshole. I would say the same of him if he weren't either.

Just because someone criticizes a Jewish person does NOT make that person anti-semetic.

J
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Le Taz Hot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-10-06 09:32 AM
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63. No surprise here.
Everyone on the Hill knew most of the key Democrats couldn't come out publically FOR Lieberman after the CT primary but most of them didn't come out publically for Lamont, either. He's always had the support of the establishment Dems. Remember, the people who demand "party loyalty" from us are the SAME people who backed Lieberman all along. And remember that the next time they demand party loyalty from you.
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-10-06 09:38 AM
Response to Reply #63
65. I'll defininately remember who sold out
Every single one of them.
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fooj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-10-06 03:48 PM
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94. For this disgraceful behavior...I am truly ashamed.
They flipped the voters in CT the bird...

What kind of democratic party doesn't stand behind the will of the people? It's shameful.
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Norquist Nemesis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-10-06 09:40 AM
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66. At least Bushetal can't claim we're not tough on National Security
It will be hard for Bush's Loyal Lieberman to start tossing the proverbial crap on the wall with this one after being such a supporter for his re-election.
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hedgehog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-10-06 10:13 AM
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70. I knew if I worked my way down to the end I'd find someone who
said this ahead of me! I think you're exactly right. Given the number of opportunities out there, I figure it's inevitable that there will be another terrorist incident in the US. Having Lieberman in this position will make it harder for Bush to blame the Democrats for holding hm back.
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Tatiana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-10-06 03:04 PM
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93. I can live with this. n/t
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goforit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-11-06 12:18 PM
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100. Sen. Reid, way to start on the wrong foot!!!! Give the majority to the Repugs
why don't you!!!!
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-11-06 12:21 PM
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Lurking Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-11-06 12:25 PM
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102. Prove it.
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goforit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-11-06 12:42 PM
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103. Investigation into the WTC will prove it. We"ll start w/ Al Franken.
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Lurking Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-11-06 12:50 PM
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104. You seem to have a thing for Jews.
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barb162 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-11-06 12:57 PM
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105. I hope you're being facetious
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Lurking Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-11-06 12:59 PM
Response to Reply #105
107. He's not.
He has this and dual agency accusations all over the place.
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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-11-06 01:11 PM
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109. I see the purists have already started the circular firing squads.
This is about making sure Loserman doesn't caucus with the Pukes. If the Purists want to stay in Political La La Land that's thier problem, Reid is in the real world.
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QC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-11-06 01:17 PM
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110. Started?
Hell, the firing squad continued blasting away throughout all the good news. We had people here plotting to keep Pelosi out of the speaker's chair the day after the election.

Who needs freepers to keep us down when we've got the politics-as-therapy crowd?
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stepnw1f Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-11-06 02:18 PM
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120. Thank You for Keeping It Real
"Emanuel and other top Democrats told their members they cannot allow the party's liberal wing to dominate the agenda next year."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/11/07/AR2006110701697.html

I would like to see these "top Democrats" and Rahm himself deny this publicly!
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lovuian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-11-06 01:25 PM
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111. I'm confused isn't Liberman a (republican in Independant)
Edited on Sat Nov-11-06 01:29 PM by lovuian
clothes and he isn't a democrat and wasn't elected a Democrat in the last election by his Constuients??? didn't he defeat the Democratic Nominee Lamont???

Why would Democrats help him???
Is Harry Reid a Democrat or an Independant
What does Howard Dean think of Liberman as Homeland Security
Why is Harry Reid the Majority Leader???
with Democrats as the Majority

this is so confusing and shows the Democrats have made inroads on getting control of the Denate but there are still these Independant factions who have MAJOR control of our security.

This just proves the point there is a group of powerful men working together in all three parties
on their OWN AGENDA.
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TankLV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-11-06 01:41 PM
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114. I suggest the Dems say anything to his face - and undermine him behind his back...
Do everything to insure that he LOSES FINALLY the next time up...

Let's get a real PROGRESSIVE to replace him - Lamont did just fine...
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lovuian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-11-06 01:45 PM
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117. LOL!!! thats right Tank and ANY DEMOCRAT who helps him
we will see what traitor they are... Gore was definitely a lamb set up for failure

That BUSH Kiss said it all
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lumpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-11-06 01:58 PM
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118. Good idea, since lieberman claims to be a
fighter for Constitutional rights, let him prove it.
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dchill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-11-06 05:11 PM
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122. Lieberman will be better than anyone...
that Bush would nominate. Even better than Lieberman would have been if Bush had nominated him.
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mvd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-11-06 05:13 PM
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123. There's nothing about Lieberman demanding
So why reward? We have better choices than a warmonger.
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leesa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-11-06 05:38 PM
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125. Yeah. I feel safe with this joke in charge of national security. NOT.
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savemefromdumbya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-11-06 05:56 PM
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127. Dubai Joe?
is that a good idea?
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Q3JR4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-11-06 10:24 PM
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130. I've thought about this
whole Lieberman thing before the election. I figured if Lieberman got his senate seat and the senate was Democratic with 51-49 majority, that he would be targeted by the GOP. After all, he was ousted by voters in his home state. I thought that maybe he'd want to pay them back.

Furthermore if Lieberman changes party affiliation, the senate would be evenly tied with dick wielding the tie breaking vote.

I just assumed that they would be giving Lieberman a chairmanship position; at least until the Democrats gain a few more senate seats. By then all bets would be off, I'm sure.
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