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NVMojo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-09-06 01:19 AM
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Haggard Begins Spiritual 'Restoration'
good grief!!

DENVER (AP) -

There will be prayer, and perhaps the laying on of hands. There will be counseling and a confession. And there will be advice, confrontation and rebuke from "godly men" appointed to oversee the spiritual "restoration" of the Rev. Ted Haggard.

After tumbling from the pinnacle of the American evangelical movement amid allegations he snorted meth and cavorted with a male prostitute, Haggard has agreed to a rehabilitation process that could last three to five years.

"I see success approximately 50 percent of the time," said H.B. London, vice president for church and clergy at Focus on the Family, the conservative Christian ministry in Colorado Springs. "Guys just wear out and they can no longer subject themselves to the process."

Those who fail "end up selling cars or shoes or something, and being miserable and angry the rest of their lives," London said.

Haggard was president of the National Association of Evangelicals and senior pastor of the 14,000-member New Life Church in Colorado Springs until last week, when a Denver man said Haggard paid him for sex nearly every month for three years and sometimes took methamphetamine during the encounters.

more...

http://www.lasvegassun.com/sunbin/stories/nat-gen/2006/nov/08/110807772.html
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swag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-09-06 01:21 AM
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1. "the laying on of hands." Who could complain about that?
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Joe Bacon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-09-06 07:57 AM
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23. Please, Mr Whipple, don't squeeze the Charmin!
hmmm a bunch of men in a closed room???? :evilgrin:
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progressivebydesign Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-09-06 12:03 PM
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37. Don't you mean: Please dont' squeeze the charlatan?? n/t
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saigon68 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-09-06 12:37 PM
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40. Please don't sgueeze, the thermometer
it might rise
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MissMillie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-09-06 02:04 PM
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43. Isn't that what he paid for?
Now he gets it for FREE? Guess he should have come out sooner!
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judaspriestess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-09-06 05:33 PM
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53. Will there be a "happy" ending
since he will have hands layed on him?
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Phredicles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-09-06 01:21 AM
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2. "Laying on of hands"???
I thought that's what got him into this mess! :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

I keep worrying this crowd is going to put The Onion out of business.
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TexasLawyer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-09-06 03:26 AM
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12. LOL!!!
Edited on Thu Nov-09-06 03:40 AM by TexasLawyer
That tripped me up too. And might there also be speaking in tongues? the rending of garments? anointments with oil? self-flagellation?

oh dahling!
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lumpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-09-06 02:01 PM
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42. Best laugh of the day, Phredicles
Kudos
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lapfog_1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-09-06 01:23 AM
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3. Never have truer words been spoken
"end up selling cars or shoes or something"... evangelical preacher dudes are nothing more than used car salesmen, only not as honest. Con men, basically.
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spancks Donating Member (170 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-09-06 02:33 AM
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11. Yeah, because using hatred and fear to separate people
from their money in the name of "God" is so much more worthy an occupation than something honest like working retail.
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OrangeCountyDemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-09-06 01:25 AM
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4. "I'M SOOOOOO SOOOOOOO SORRRRRRRREEEEEEEEE"
Makes me think of Swaggart, I think that's who it was, that broke down crying for having sinned.

"Forgive me oh lord, for I have sinned against thee."

Yeah....that ought to work.
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AlCzervik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-09-06 01:29 AM
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5. 'Restoration' is a euphemism for straight camp right?
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grytpype Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-09-06 01:32 AM
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6. Will this cure him of Teh Gay?
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-09-06 08:59 PM
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55. No, but I bet he'll be using Ben Gay
for those sore achey muscles...soooo many hands....so little time..


achew!
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corporatemedia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-09-06 01:33 AM
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7. Sounds like the wrong METHod to me. n/t
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ljm2002 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-09-06 01:33 AM
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8. These guys are beyond despicable...
...just listen to the arrogance in this statement:

"I see success approximately 50 percent of the time," said H.B. London, vice president for church and clergy at Focus on the Family, the conservative Christian ministry in Colorado Springs. "Guys just wear out and they can no longer subject themselves to the process."

Those who fail "end up selling cars or shoes or something, and being miserable and angry the rest of their lives," London said.


Yessirree Bob, they either stick it out with these self-appointed advisors and their "spiritual restoration" programs, or they slink away and become miserable failures for the rest of their lives.

Oh, for a third alternative, where the sinner actually sees the light of reason and frees himself or herself from the claws of these faux spiritual leaders and learn to stand up on their own two feet and finally, at long last become simply human.
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codjh9 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-09-06 01:51 AM
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9. Yeah, he and Mark Foley are probably 'restoring' each other in rehab n/t
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spancks Donating Member (170 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-09-06 02:27 AM
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10. Please refrain from lumping a tormented, closeted gay man...
Edited on Thu Nov-09-06 02:57 AM by spancks
...(hypocritical bigot though he may be) in with a sexual predator. It's not funny, nor is it appropriate in any context.

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TexasLawyer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-09-06 03:37 AM
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13. I love your avatar!
I think your 50s pipe man and my perky 50s lady could be friends!
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spancks Donating Member (170 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-09-06 03:41 AM
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14. Thanks!
That's Jr. "Bob" Dobbs. I'm sure he and your perky 50's gal would hit it off just fine!
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TexasLawyer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-09-06 03:51 AM
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16. Dang, my lady doesn't have a name
-- yet--

OK, after at least 6 seconds of deep thought (and borrowing your rhymed name idea) I shall name my lady...

Vivian Oblivian.
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spancks Donating Member (170 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-09-06 04:03 AM
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17. That's hilarious!
:rofl: Vivian Oblivian - I love it!

BTW, I didn't make up "Bob's" name. He's the icon and central "figure" of the Church of the SubGenius - sort of the 80's version of Flying Spaghetti Monster, but much more byzantine in its level of parody.

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Barrett808 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-09-06 04:56 PM
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48. Yes, "Bob" IS a sex god
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crikkett Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-09-06 06:58 AM
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21. Yes, Haggard is too old for Foley.
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-09-06 08:17 AM
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25. Is age a priority to be on top?
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radfringe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-09-06 03:46 AM
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15. sounds like
Edited on Thu Nov-09-06 03:49 AM by radfringe
restoration is just another word for rehab... ;)

chuckle... above the article at the link is an add for a Pardee Homes -- the little flash banner thingy on it says "GO STRAIGHT to Acacia"
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truthisfreedom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-09-06 04:34 AM
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18. heh. it's pure comedy. the guy is a junkie. put him in treatment. as far as
being gay goes, let him enjoy that when he gets out of treatment. maybe if he accepts it, he won't need the meth.

besides, he'd make a great car salesman. he certainly doesn't belong in religious leadership. he's about as effective as a bush in the presidency.
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GeorgeGist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-09-06 05:30 AM
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19. How futile...
when it's his ego, not his soul, that is malignant. Best wishes, Ted.
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crikkett Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-09-06 06:56 AM
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20. So he too is going into rehab.
Three years though? Ouch.
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CJCRANE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-09-06 07:21 AM
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22. The guy was a pastor
he's been in church most of the time, more of the same brand of "spirituality" won't help him.
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Joe Bacon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-09-06 08:11 AM
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24. Are they going to sing Randy Newman's "Pants" song?
:evilgrin:
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Flammable Materials Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-09-06 08:34 AM
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26. 50% Success Rate
"Guys just wear out and they can no longer subject themselves to the process."

Welcome to Haggard's Holy Hyundai and Miracle Mitsubishi. "If you drive it off the lot, it's a MIRACLE!"
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Teaser Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-09-06 08:40 AM
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27. Bill Maher was right
self-hate is the greatest love of all.

For the rest of his life Haggard will be dreaming of sweet, sweet cock.
Ted, just be who you are.
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Cass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-09-06 09:03 AM
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28. Haggard needs real therapy not a bunch of religious freaks haranguing him.
Haggard needs real help in coping with his drug addiction, and he needs help in accepting that he's gay or bisexual. This restoration stuff won't provide the therapy this man needs.
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donsu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-09-06 11:06 AM
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29. true
nt
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dkofos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-09-06 11:09 AM
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30. And when it is all said and done Haggard will still be GAY
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LeftHander Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-09-06 11:18 AM
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31. waterboarding too....nt
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yellowcanine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-09-06 11:49 AM
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32. Not sure "laying on of hands" is a good idea. Isn't that where the trouble started?
That touchy feelie stuff might not be a good idea for a guy who apperently has the self control of a billy goat.
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Akoto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-09-06 11:53 AM
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33. I feel sorry for him.
Edited on Thu Nov-09-06 11:53 AM by Akoto
Sorry, but I really do.

He's refusing to accept who he really is, and this "treatment" he's facing is nothing but hatred for his nature being spewed at him. In the end, it's not going to work, and he'll just emerge from it bitter and broken. I pity him.

Some mercy these evangelicals have.
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DrunkenMaster Donating Member (582 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-09-06 11:57 AM
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34. stop wasting your empathy
This waste of oxygen has ruined lives with his vile, hate-filled rants. Pity those innocents who comitted no hypocrisy but who have had lives ruined by the homophobia and intolerance that he promoted while living a secret life. Pity Haggard? Never.
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ToolTex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-09-06 12:02 PM
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35. Or he will kill himself.
But I doubt it, most of these fundies are too selfish for that approach. Usually it is just the younger gay religiously reprogrammed that off themselves.
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VegasWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-09-06 12:03 PM
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36. Does this mean that Haggard will no longer be a METHadist? nt
Edited on Thu Nov-09-06 12:03 PM by VegasWolf
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progressivebydesign Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-09-06 12:04 PM
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38. What Haggard needs.. is some drug intervention, a nice apt. and new wardrobe.
I think his best bet is to start a new life based upon who he really is... he needs to kick the meth first, it'll kill him.
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superconnected Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-09-06 12:17 PM
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39. They're trying to cure a 1. Meth Addict, 2. Gay man
Edited on Thu Nov-09-06 12:24 PM by superconnected
I know meth addiction is very hard to cure. They really should have trained professionals on that one.

Gay, even when looked at as an 'afflicition', just doesn't strike me as smth that's going to go away.
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Ex Lion Tamer Donating Member (445 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-09-06 05:18 PM
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50. Not sure he's a meth addict.
Doesn't have any of the noticeable signs.

Seems he was just using the meth to enhance his santorum-making.
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noonwitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-09-06 01:24 PM
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41. They need to get Bob Larsen to pray that gay demon out of him!
None of this hands-on, prayer circle stuff is going to work. That homo demon must be exorcised from Haggard!

Still, the mental image I get from this idea is not of "The Exorcist", but more of Phil Collins at the end of his "Miami Vice" episode, as the televangelist con man, driving the deaf demon out of his sidekick.
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Jeffersons Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-09-06 03:07 PM
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44. K&R
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maxrandb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-09-06 03:37 PM
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45. "Restoration" is the new "Rehab" n/t
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GoddessOfGuinness Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-09-06 04:10 PM
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46. How much do you want to bet, that after he's "rehabbed"...
...he gets into the rehab biz himself?
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-09-06 09:20 PM
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56. Of course, The Religious Right have a built in clientele..
Brilliant...a restoration 'oasis' in the Halls of Congress. Room B..

will this be televised?
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Az_lefty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-09-06 04:23 PM
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47. Restoration process, meaning "Gay Cure"...
if Haggard subjects himself to this he's out of his mind. He should just walk away and find a new job.
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bamacrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-09-06 04:57 PM
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49. LOTS OF METH, MMMMM METH
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aint_no_life_nowhere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-09-06 05:21 PM
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51. Financial restoration of his pipeline from the golden goose?
Edited on Thu Nov-09-06 05:23 PM by aint_no_life_nowhere
His share of the profits of the mega-church must be worth more than a small amount, and I'm sure that losing that cash flow is occasionally on his mind these days.
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DesertRat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-09-06 05:31 PM
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52. I wonder if restoration is like an exorcism?
Why does it take 3 to 5 YEARS? :wtf:
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ekelly Donating Member (303 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-09-06 08:54 PM
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54. This bit caught my eye:
Edited on Thu Nov-09-06 08:56 PM by ekelly
Those who fail "end up selling cars or shoes or something, and being miserable and angry the rest of their lives," London said.

So, gay people can't be happy or successful?
And selling cars or shoes is now linked to a miserable life?

I suppose so........raking in millions of $$$ from people who sometimes can't really afford to give is a much better job, eh?
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