Democratic Underground Latest Greatest Lobby Journals Search Options Help Login
Google

Atheists' lobbyist hoping Democrats gain control of Congress

Printer-friendly format Printer-friendly format
Printer-friendly format Email this thread to a friend
Printer-friendly format Bookmark this thread
This topic is archived.
Home » Discuss » Latest Breaking News Donate to DU
 
NVMojo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-30-06 07:37 AM
Original message
Atheists' lobbyist hoping Democrats gain control of Congress
Edited on Mon Oct-30-06 07:37 AM by NVMojo
Somehow, I really question the timing of this article, especially in the major NV Repuke supporting newspaper ...

WASHINGTON -- As the chief lobbyist for atheists in the nation's capital, former state Sen. Lori Lipman Brown is keeping a close eye on the Nov. 7 midterm elections.

Democrats may gain a majority in the House and possibly the Senate. For Brown, 48, such a result might change her job dramatically.

"There are some things we would like to see moved that haven't gone anywhere under current (Republican) leadership, and some things that we would prefer not to be spending our time fighting against," Brown said.

For example, Brown would like to see progress on legislation that would require all pharmacies to fill prescriptions for birth control or refer customers to someone who will if a pharmacist has religious or ethical objections against the prescription.

On the other hand, Brown hopes for a lull in legislation that would permit military chaplains to evangelize soldiers.

more...

http://www.reviewjournal.com/lvrj_home/2006/Oct-30-Mon-...
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
Doctor_J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-30-06 07:38 AM
Response to Original message
1. If she really wants us to win, she should keep her mouth shut
Yeesh. Why give Rove ammo to get the fundies out next week?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
NVMojo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-30-06 07:39 AM
Response to Reply #1
2. exactly ...even though the Repukes have more than proven they
are not the "morals and values" crowd.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
MindPilot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-30-06 08:22 AM
Response to Reply #1
5. Yeah! Democrats wouldn't what to be thought of as actually
STANDING for something. Shut up and win, now THERE'S a successful election strategy. :eyes:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
TechBear_Seattle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-30-06 08:28 AM
Response to Reply #1
8. Yeah!! Nothing inspires hatred more than atheists with an agenda
For God's sake, why don't they just shut up and sit at the back of the bus already!

:sarcasm:


You've marginalized gay people; so now I suppose it is atheists' turn. Who next? Labor? Crimeny, and people wonder why so many liberals have come to despise the Democratic Party.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
asthmaticeog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-30-06 01:29 PM
Response to Reply #8
24. I respectfully submit that labor was FIRST to get thrown under the bus.
After gays and atheists, the next to go will probably be pregnant women. Can't you already hear it? "Oh, you just HAD to have your reproductive freedom during an election year! Couldn't you just WAIT until we won congress and then continued to do nothing about it since there's another election in only two years that you'll have to wait 'til after so we can win that one?"
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Solon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-30-06 02:10 PM
Response to Reply #24
29. Actually, I think that Atheists have been sitting in the back of the bus...
ignored, for the entire time this country has been around. In other words, no party even bothers to throw them under the bus, for they were never in front of it.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
TechBear_Seattle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-30-06 04:19 PM
Response to Reply #24
49. I sit corrected. n/t
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-30-06 08:07 AM
Response to Original message
3. Deleted message
Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.
 
Jokerman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-30-06 08:21 AM
Response to Reply #3
4. Comparing Atheists to NAMBLA???
What a highly offensive load of shit.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
MindPilot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-30-06 08:23 AM
Response to Reply #4
6. Haven't you heard about all the child molestation that goes on
in the Atheist religion? :sarcasm:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
BlueManDude Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-30-06 08:28 AM
Response to Reply #4
7. Apologies. I made my point badly
The point was that in the RW world of Fox News atheism would be on par with some kind of deviant behaviour that should be linked to Democrats.

Again - no offense intended.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Jokerman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-30-06 08:38 AM
Response to Reply #7
9. Apology accepted.
You're correct in saying the two groups might trigger a similar reaction from some right-wing fundies but I'm concerned when I see it on DU.

Thanks.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
O.M.B.inOhio Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-30-06 08:45 AM
Response to Reply #4
10. This atheist appreciates BlueManDude's comment
The RepugnantOnes are trying to get out their base by painting the Democrats as the gang who aim to destroy God, guns, nuclear heterosexual families, flags, white privilege, male privilege, cars, America, apple pie, etc. Ken Blackwell (Repug candidate for Ohio Governor, the prick who was likely instrumental in stealing Ohio in 2004) did in fact try many times to associate Ted STrickland with NAMBLA in their debates.

They're doing a lot of what I've heard called "dog whistle politics." That's where a political message is heard only by the intended audience. The funny thing is that only liberal intellectuals seem to notice the code in the seemingly innocuous ad or speech; the "dogs" themselves aren't aware of the racist, sexist, homophobic, and antiSemitic overtones.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Kolesar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-30-06 09:33 AM
Response to Reply #10
11. GOPs are playing to the base to save a few legislative races
...where the vote will be a lot closer than the Blackwell blowout next week. It may make a difference for them. They certainly cannot play to the middle in any district that is not extremely gerrymandered.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Doctor_J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-30-06 11:04 AM
Response to Reply #4
18. No, but Fox and Hate radio and all the other GOP media nuts will
Like BluemanDude said, this is fodder for Rove and all of his media cohort
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Polesitter Donating Member (60 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-31-06 05:39 AM
Response to Reply #4
57. Yeah! NAMBLA should sue!
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Lance_Boyle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-30-06 09:53 AM
Response to Original message
12. I had no idea I had a lobbyist.
I feel so... dirty.

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
onehandle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-30-06 10:23 AM
Response to Original message
13. What a Bush like comment Brown made.
"I really wouldn't care if 99.9 percent of the people in the United States had a different belief than I do," Brown said.


I'm for total separation of church and state, but we have an election to win.

82% of Americans believe in God, and this publicity is no help to us right now.


I want the lobbyist system destroyed.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
VegasWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-30-06 10:30 AM
Response to Reply #13
14. Yes, but with ALL of the pandering that the Democratic Party is serving
Edited on Mon Oct-30-06 10:54 AM by VegasWolf
up to the Christian Reich, I don't think that you have to worry about this lone lobbyist.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
maxsolomon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-30-06 11:15 AM
Response to Reply #13
20. 82% gave a knee jerk reaction to a leading question
and it becomes the most cited statistic on DU. that stat is way suspect. people say that kind of stuff because admitting you are an atheist, or have doubts, or simply are not concerned with the question is socially unacceptable in a thoroughly propagandized nation like the US of goddamn A.

WHAT god? what KIND of god? Old-testament Yahweh? New-testament "God"? Allah? Zeus? Krishna? A being? A concept? The ultimate nature of reality?

if Atheists have a Lobbyist, its the least effective lobby in Washington DC.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-30-06 02:23 PM
Response to Reply #13
31. What a moronic comment YOU just made.
Pushing for secularism, which benefits believers and nonbelievers alike, is hardly "bush-like".

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Marnieworld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-30-06 03:39 PM
Response to Reply #31
45. Her statement was accepting differences
Hardly bush-like. Besides she is jewish pushing for secularism, the separation of church and state which many religious people are supportive. I think standing up for the Constitution is a good thing in an election.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-30-06 03:49 PM
Response to Reply #45
47. Some people will use any excuse to slam atheists.
How dare we not believe in gods for which there is no proof!

Sheesh!

(I agree with you - standing up for the Constitution is ALWAYS right!)

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Vidar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-30-06 05:29 PM
Response to Reply #31
54. I absolutely agree with you on secularism.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
davhill Donating Member (854 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-30-06 10:36 AM
Response to Original message
15. Expect to see more headlines like this
As Republicans desperately try to shore up their eroding base
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Stand and Fight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-30-06 10:40 AM
Response to Original message
16. This article stinks to high hell... As a resident of Nevada.
As a long-time resident of Nevada -- born and raised in Las Vegas -- I have to say that I agree with the OP on this. The timing is just a wee bit too convenient given the slant of the majority of papers in the silver state. I mean, come on... Who -- other than right-wing Evangelicals -- would care about this? :wtf:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-30-06 10:48 AM
Response to Original message
17. Deleted message
Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.
 
superconnected Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-30-06 11:12 AM
Response to Reply #17
19. Guess truth hurts...
Edited on Mon Oct-30-06 11:17 AM by superconnected
Interesting how you attack other religions in your post while supposedly defending your own from attack, and considering that attack wrong.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
dmallind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-30-06 11:20 AM
Response to Reply #19
21. Well for a start
atheism is not a religion, but the lack of belief in any of them. Atheism cannot be attacked any more than lack of belief in Santa Claus can be attacked as a viewpoint. The only possible "attack" on atheism is positive evidence of the existence of any deities. Being a negative definition, atheism says only what attribute you lack, and nothing at all about what attributes you possess.

For another thing I don't recall any atheists saying religious Democrats should shut up and go away because they are so reprehensible that they lose elections. In fact I think most of the time the idea is the reverse - that liberal Xians are not doing enough to shout about the co-option of their faith by the right wing.

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
superconnected Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-30-06 02:03 PM
Response to Reply #21
26. Yes, somehow I figured you wouldn't be able to "get it."
Unfortunately I don't have time to explain it to you so, babbly on.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-30-06 02:27 PM
Response to Reply #26
35. Um, we atheists know what we think and believe.
YOU don't. YOU'RE the one who doesn't get it.

You are, quite simply, incorrect.

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
dmallind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-30-06 02:41 PM
Response to Reply #26
38. Now there's a devatsating rebuttal.
Starting with are you sure you figured *I* wouldn't be able to get it?

So perhaps someone else with more time to spare from their busy schedule (of posting snide and pointless posts claiming but of course not sharing superior knowledge?) could tell me why atheist democrats should shut up and stay quiet and when atheists have said the same about politically active religious democrats?

Anyone?



Anyone.....?

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
asthmaticeog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-30-06 01:31 PM
Response to Reply #19
25. I fail to see which religion he attacked. nt
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
superconnected Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-30-06 02:04 PM
Response to Reply #25
27. I'll assume, and hope, you're only playing dumb.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Solon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-30-06 02:08 PM
Response to Reply #27
28. Well I guess I'm dumb...
because I'm trying to figure out how you could possibly think that his post was an attack on ANY religion. He was bitching about the "Shut up you fucking minority!" attitude here at DU. Pick the minority.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-30-06 02:11 PM
Response to Reply #28
30. Deleted message
Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.
 
Solon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-30-06 02:26 PM
Response to Reply #30
33. Well, if this were Slashdot, you'd get a -1 mod for arrogance...
Edited on Mon Oct-30-06 02:27 PM by Solon
I'll give you that. You're so far from the context of his post and this thread that you are orbiting Jupiter while everyone else is on Earth.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Ignis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-30-06 02:27 PM
Response to Reply #27
34. I'll bite. What religion did he attack?
Please copy and paste the actual text of the attack from the original post. Some of us are just too 'dumb' to have telepathy, apparently.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
asthmaticeog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-30-06 02:47 PM
Response to Reply #27
40. Name the religion he attacked.
I'm waiting.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Marnieworld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-30-06 03:42 PM
Response to Reply #27
46. He attacked "bigots"
IS that a new religion I am unaware of?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-30-06 09:52 PM
Response to Reply #27
55. Why so arrogant?
Edited on Mon Oct-30-06 10:25 PM by Bluebear
nt
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-30-06 02:26 PM
Response to Reply #19
32. Atheism is not a religion; it is the lack of one.
Please educate yourself on the difference between 'strong' (assertive that there are no gods) and 'weak' (lacking belief in gods due to the lack of evidence for them) atheism. The first asserts an unsupported belief, the second does not.

</public service announcement>

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
muriel_volestrangler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-30-06 02:46 PM
Response to Reply #19
39. Yeah, what religion did he attack?
If you think using the expression "Jesus Christ" is an attack on religion, then you need to grow up and get a life.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
brentspeak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-30-06 11:23 AM
Response to Original message
22. Who's paying this "lobbyist"?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
dmallind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-30-06 02:51 PM
Response to Reply #22
42. Dunno but I'm guessing GAPAC
Godless Americans PAC which was launched at the Godless Americans March on Washington a few years back.

if so then, in part, the answer is "me".
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-30-06 03:06 PM
Response to Reply #22
43. Why, do you think she's not a legitimate lobbyist?
Do you think the issues she raises awareness of (like, oh, the benefits of secularism and the separation of church and state for both believers and nonbelievers) are not valid issues?

Why the automatic suspicion from you? Is it because she dares to state the fact that she has no religion and follows no gods? Is it the timing? What?

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Commie Pinko Dirtbag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-30-06 04:12 PM
Response to Reply #22
48. She isn't doing anything different in this past weeks.
It's the media who, for some reason (yeah right), chose to focus there NOW.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
John Gauger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-30-06 12:38 PM
Response to Original message
23. What a surprise!
A lobbyist is watching the Congressional elections! I'm shocked that a Congressional lobbyist would concern herself with Congress.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-30-06 02:29 PM
Response to Reply #23
36. Best post in the thread!
NT!

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-30-06 02:38 PM
Response to Original message
37. ...
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
dmallind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-30-06 02:47 PM
Response to Reply #37
41. um
Nice thread and all that, but is there some relevance to this topic?

Best I can work out is there may be some tenuous connection about party loyalty trumping other association but I'm not sure I understand what you are trying to say.

Help?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-30-06 03:15 PM
Response to Reply #41
44.  there's nothing "tenuous" about it
Edited on Mon Oct-30-06 03:18 PM by Solly Mack
one side telling people to shut up is absolutely no different than the other side doing the exact same thing

one reminded me of the other..as I was reading through this thread









Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
dmallind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-30-06 04:36 PM
Response to Reply #44
50. Well OK
But the situations are completely different. The Republicans after all ARE doing something detrimental to their party by definition - endorsing the opposition.

The lobbyist is on the other hand expressing a very valid interpretation of issues which in large part reflect the opinion of most Dems regardless of their personal faith. Most of us, believers or not, want pharmacists to dispense whatever is prescribed, right?

Most Republicans on the hand are not likely to want Dems to be elected.

However I agree with the spirit of your point - it is normally self defeating behavior to censure the voices of a subgroup in your own party.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-30-06 05:14 PM
Response to Reply #50
51. Trust me, SM is one the same page. She rocks.
NT!

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-30-06 05:19 PM
Response to Reply #51
53. Thank you!
I think you rock too!!! :)
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-30-06 05:18 PM
Response to Reply #50
52. Well, that's just spiffy and all
Edited on Mon Oct-30-06 05:23 PM by Solly Mack
It really is

I didn't appreciate people telling the lobbyist to "shut up" and that's what reminded me of the other article

group-think, lock-step.... ick

sorta goes counter to that "big tent" so many like to brag about one minute...only to prove just how narrow that tent is the next minute







Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
leesa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-30-06 09:54 PM
Response to Original message
56. We have a chief lobbyist? Funny!
I can't believe you are falling for this!
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
MindPilot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-31-06 08:39 AM
Response to Reply #56
58. Did you even read the post or are you being deliberately dense?
:wtf: are you talking about?!
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
DU AdBot (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view 
this author's profile Click to add 
this author to your buddy list Click to add 
this author to your Ignore list Tue Jul 29th 2014, 10:36 PM
Response to Original message
Advertisements [?]
 Top

Home » Discuss » Latest Breaking News Donate to DU

Powered by DCForum+ Version 1.1 Copyright 1997-2002 DCScripts.com
Software has been extensively modified by the DU administrators


Important Notices: By participating on this discussion board, visitors agree to abide by the rules outlined on our Rules page. Messages posted on the Democratic Underground Discussion Forums are the opinions of the individuals who post them, and do not necessarily represent the opinions of Democratic Underground, LLC.

Home  |  Discussion Forums  |  Journals |  Store  |  Donate

About DU  |  Contact Us  |  Privacy Policy

Got a message for Democratic Underground? Click here to send us a message.

© 2001 - 2011 Democratic Underground, LLC