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DeepModem Mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-29-06 01:42 AM
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LAT: GOP at a loss? Karl Rove has an 11th-hour plan to win
GOP at a loss? Karl Rove has an 11th-hour plan to win
The top strategist is in rare form for the midterm endgame.
By Tom Hamburger and Peter Wallsten, Times Staff Writers
October 28, 2006

....Rove is giving a virtuoso performance designed to prevent the Democrats from taking control of the House and Senate or, if that is no longer possible, to hold down the size of the Democratic victory to make it easier for the GOP to come back in 2008. His plan is three-pronged: to re-energize any conservatives who may be flagging; to make sure the GOP's carefully constructed campaign apparatus is functioning at peak efficiency; and to put the resources of the federal government to use for political gain....

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This week, Rove and his staff...will oversee an exodus of political employees from Cabinet agencies, Capitol Hill and lobbying firms many of them skilled campaign veterans to more than a dozen battleground states. Many will act as "marshals," supervising the "72-hour plan" developed by Rove in 2001 with Ken Mehlman, the former White House political director who now heads the Republican National Committee....

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Last summer, they invited hundreds of political appointees from Cabinet agencies, along with other GOP activists and Hill staffers, to attend a pep rally in Washington. The event featured appeals to politically experienced federal appointees to volunteer for campaign work in battleground races in the final two weeks of the campaign....

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Interior Department employees describe regular visits from Rove's staff during Bush's first term. On one occasion, Rove visited a retreat for the 50 top Interior Department managers. The lights dimmed in an agency conference room as Rove went through a PowerPoint presentation showing battleground races in the 2002 midterm election, and occasionally made oblique but clearly understood references to Interior Department decisions that could affect these races.

By stopping short of explicitly calling on the Interior Department officials to take action, Rove stayed within the rules against exerting improper political influence....As the White House official considered closest to the president, Rove along with his staff not only influences government decisions and the travel schedules of GOP officeholders, but organizes leaders of private-sector groups who are investing heavily in the election....

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-ro...
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bluestateguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-29-06 01:01 AM
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1. I'll tell you what a Democratic Congress must investigate (if they win)
are the flagrant violations of the Hatch Act being committed by Karl Rove, basically running the RNC out of the West Wing of the White House, all while drawing a government salary,.
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DeepModem Mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-29-06 01:32 AM
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5. Yes! I don't buy the stuff described in this article as being legal. nt
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Tuesday_Morning Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-29-06 12:26 PM
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57. I smell plans for
more Brooks Brothers riots in the works.
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Clark2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-29-06 08:22 PM
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83. Then we counter riot.
Real people, pushing back. Those Brooks Brothers wimps won't stand a chance against real and really angry citizens.
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Vinca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-29-06 07:32 AM
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29. Agree! Agree! Agree!
Nothing makes me more thrilled than thinking I'm paying the salaries of GOP campaigners.
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Copperred Donating Member (554 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-29-06 07:53 AM
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30. What is the Jist of the Hatch Act???



Never heard of it....bloggers should be talking about this if its applicable to our dear friend here.....
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davhill Donating Member (854 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-29-06 08:49 AM
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40. Don't believe it applies to political appointees
Only regular civil service. When I was in the civil service I could not even donate to any campaign much less work for one. I have always questioned the constitutionality of this denial of rights.
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Eric J in MN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-29-06 03:11 PM
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68. The Hatch Act was amended in 1993.
Civil servants can donate now:

http://www.osc.gov/ha_fed.htm#may
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Penndems Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-29-06 05:58 PM
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77. If these political appointees are using materials purchased with taxpayer funds
Edited on Sun Oct-29-06 05:58 PM by Penndems
Copiers, desks, telephones, fax machines, Blackberries, Palm Pilots, office space, office supplies, chairs - whatever - to run a political campaign, it's illegal, irregardless of whether or not they're political appointees or regular Civil Service. That's one of the main reasons Jim Baker and his slavishly devoted group of minions got busted back in '92.

Those people were crooks, but they were rookies compared to the current Administration.

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Penndems Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-29-06 05:27 PM
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76. Here it is:
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-29-06 08:39 AM
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38. yes, yes yes!!
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Demeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-29-06 12:21 PM
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55. Rove Is Tap Dancing As Hard As He Can
and the audience is walking away en masse.


The Stage Manager (Dumbya) won't get the hook and pull Rove off the scene, either.


It's like rowing a boat that's sitting in dry dock: lots of aerobic exercise, no progress.
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madmusic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-29-06 01:24 AM
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4. K&R for later
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wtmusic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-29-06 01:46 AM
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8. Well isn't that a sweet li'l LA Times valentine to Mr. Rove
So "Rove stayed within the rules against exerting improper political influence", or maybe he didn't and Tribune Corp. says he did.

No practical difference, is there?
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FreeStateDemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-29-06 08:36 AM
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37. Legal, that should be up to a federal judge to decide not the corp. whore media.
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RamboLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-29-06 01:48 AM
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9. LAT: GOP at a loss? Karl Rove has an 11th-hour plan to win
Edited on Sun Oct-29-06 01:45 AM by RamboLiberal
http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-ro...

During a whirlwind five-hour trip to bolster an endangered GOP congressman's reelection prospects, White House political guru Karl Rove last week delivered a fiery speech to 500 party activists, then shook every available hand and posed for snapshots like a rock star. He toured suburbs recently trashed by a snowstorm. He also found time to huddle with local strategists.

But the most significant element of Rove's effort to help four-term Rep. Thomas M. Reynolds keep his job may have occurred behind closed doors, when the White House strategist met with a federal disaster relief official contemplating how to respond to the storm. Four days after the meeting, Reynolds announced that President Bush would authorize millions of dollars in federal disaster aid for the area.

The timing was perfect: Reynolds broke the news hours after testifying before the House Ethics Committee about his role in the Mark Foley sex scandal knocking reports on the scandal out of the spotlight.

Reynolds' fate Nov. 7 could be a bellwether for Republicans in the Northeast in the midterm elections as well as the long term. And his poll numbers crashed after revelations that he had known about suspicious e-mails the former Florida congressman had sent to male congressional pages. In the wake of the announcement about federal aid, a survey by a Buffalo television station showed Reynolds regaining a narrow lead over Democrat Jack Davis.

<snip>

Instead, Rove is giving a virtuoso performance designed to prevent the Democrats from taking control of the House and Senate or, if that is no longer possible, to hold down the size of the Democratic victory to make it easier for the GOP to come back in 2008. His plan is three-pronged: to re-energize any conservatives who may be flagging; to make sure the GOP's carefully constructed campaign apparatus is functioning at peak efficiency; and to put the resources of the federal government to use for political gain.
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NastyRiffraff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-29-06 01:48 AM
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10. EVERYTHING's political with this bunch
Disaster relief for a pedo enabler's area so he can keep his seat. No problem.

Poor people in New Orleans after Katrina? Not so much.

Bastards.
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barb162 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-29-06 01:48 AM
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11.  The Foley story broke just a bit too early
And Rove knows just what to do,and has the money to do it, to manipulate the bad news off the TV screen. He manipulates well
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Skip Intro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-29-06 01:04 AM
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2. It may have worked in 2002 (or diebold may have worked), but...
I think rove will find many more deaf ears for his propaganda this time around. I'm gaurded. I'm trying not to get my hopes up. But I sense a momentum, especially after watching the Ford/Corker debate, that is building. rove doesn't scare me like he used to. bush's traveling around to different states to campaign ain't what it was in 02. I don't think their gotv will be either.

Iraq. Iraq. Iraq.
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bigdarryl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-29-06 01:19 AM
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3. I think Karl Rove is OVERBLOWN when it comes to campaigns..
All i hear from the media is everybody should be afraid of KKKarl because he is supposed to be this geniusrunning campains. theyb talk about all this money they have and the dem's have in some cases out spent them and the media never tills that to the public.
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barb162 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-29-06 01:43 AM
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7. The media is writing a lot of pro-dem stories these days
That's interesting to me. That will help the Dems a lot. Iraq has gone bad and the GOP can't cover it up anymore. I think Rove is a genius as he has a real talent for picking issues that fire up his base, issues that have little or nothing to do with the real problems in this country. I suspect it may not work this time.
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tblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-29-06 03:25 AM
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16. I noticed that, too. We had nothing like this in '00, '02 or '04.
KR's so-called genius is that he has no moral principles. He's willing to go lower than most of us are willing to go. It doesn't take brains as much as antisocial personality disorder, which is a genuine psychiatric diagnosis. I think everyone in the upper eschelon of the administration has it.

What is true of the individual will be tomorrow true of the whole nation if individuals will but refuse to lose heart and hope.
~ Mohandas Gandhi

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NJCher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-29-06 05:35 AM
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22. thank you
For making this point. It disgusts me to hear people call Rove a genius when in fact, all he is is a sociopath. People think that stooping to new lows is "genius." Sad.




Cher


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glitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-29-06 11:24 AM
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48. His base has eroded to backwash, literally. All articles like this do is
reinforce a plausible meme to cover election theft.

As others have sad, Rove's "genius" is he is willing to sink lower than most humans will go, and he has found a super-rich family willing to fund, and sink with, him.
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pink-o Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-29-06 03:23 PM
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69. Yeah, this is a huge change.....
...but even more so, I've been reading articles in the WSJ that describe how Big Businesses are funnelling a lot more money towards Dems than has been seen in many years...

And everyone knows if you wanna know which way the wind is blowing, you follow the money. Now, maybe BB's are just covering all the bases, but if CEO's believe there are Dem bases to cover, that means the worm has turned.
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barb162 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-29-06 01:39 AM
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6. Rove is really really good at what he does, but he isn't invincible
I think he may fail this time. He squeaked through on the two presidential campaigns.
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Qutzupalotl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-29-06 08:21 PM
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82. Right. Ned Lamont's primary victory showed us that
Rove doesn't always get what he wants.

He's just good at finding the blossom in the turd, that's all.

That, and skirting the law.
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WCGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-29-06 03:32 AM
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17. It only worked in 02 and 04 because of the still good
feelings about the war.....
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wordpix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-29-06 10:09 PM
Response to Reply #11
87. yes but we have the Hastert, 60 investigators fired off Appropriation probe scandal
upcoming tomorrow and for the rest of this week. :evilgrin:
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dapper Donating Member (755 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-29-06 07:31 AM
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28. Buffalo had a snow storm! Millions?
I don't get it. Buffalo gets a ton of snow and the Govt' authorize millions of dollars in federal disaster aid for the area- for what? Just for political reasons? what a waste of my tax dollars? Can we check past snow storms to see if Buffalo got money in the past? (I'm from NY)

argh!

-Dapper
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footinmouth Donating Member (630 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-29-06 12:16 PM
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54. Buffalo needed the federal help
"I don't get it. Buffalo gets a ton of snow and the Govt' authorize millions of dollars in federal disaster aid for the area- for what? Just for political reasons? what a waste of my tax dollars? Can we check past snow storms to see if Buffalo got money in the past? (I'm from NY)"

I live in the area that was hardest hit. I was 10 days without power. The problem wasn't the snow, it was the trees. The weight of that snow brought down numerous tree limbs with the leaves still on them. The cleanup was massive, well beyond any of our local governments. The storm was October 12-13, they just cleared the branches from in front of my house yesterday. We can handle snow in Buffalo, we just can't handle trees & snow clogging the streets.

That storm was a gift from God for Reynolds. His poll numbers started heading upward once that storm hit. Of course, there were so many people without power and phones, I'm wondering who they called.



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lovuian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-29-06 01:54 AM
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12. Trust is broken there were never any WMD
they will fail
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darkism Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-29-06 01:58 AM
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13. Cheat? n/t
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goforit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-29-06 02:21 PM
Response to Reply #13
61. Yes, Many DUrs overlook Roves comment that "It's THE math" Get ready DU
Rigging from coast to coast folks is how Rove does his numbers.
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kimmerspixelated Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-29-06 04:58 PM
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73. Agreed,but
it will be much harder to control so much at the same time! Plus, I think that maybe there is a chance that there is some clever Dem with some flip it back( anti theft) software ready to employ!
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NoAmericanTaliban Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-29-06 02:20 AM
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14. Seems to be a groundswell of support for Dems this time
around. He might not be able to pull this rabbit out of the hat for 2006.

See this post on voter sentiment switching to dems

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...
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Divine Discontent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-29-06 02:25 AM
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15. well he can send out his fire marshalls
but it'll still be like the attendance at a Katherine Harris Senate Luncheon!
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upi402 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-29-06 03:56 AM
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18. KKKarl wants to keep his buttcheeks out of prison
Oh he's working it in every slimy way.
The dark, dank, skunk funk is pluming from the WH chimney now.
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-29-06 04:34 AM
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19. The 72 hour plan?
Nice way of saying, Rove is figuring out how many hackers he needs and where he needs them most.

Has for rallying the volunteers, the word on the street this year is that there are no volunteers to rally.

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rainy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-29-06 08:21 AM
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34. Bingo! Once he steals the votes again The pundits will say
Wow, what a genius that Karl Rove is. He did it again, the 72 hr. plan worked. Move along, nothing to see here.
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-29-06 04:44 AM
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20. rove is good at what he does.
i have to give him his props.

this will be interesting to watch.
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The Count Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-29-06 08:12 AM
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33. Hot half as good as Toni Soprano. But has our tax money to play with
and the FBI is not bugging him, but bugging us...Hence, the difference.
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rpannier Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-29-06 05:06 AM
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21. and to put the resources of the federal government to use for political gain....
Isn't that illegal.

I mean...I realize this administration and its supporters don't care.
But, come on. This is just out-and-out flagrant.
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ima_sinnic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-29-06 05:50 AM
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23. "the resources of the federal government" belong to We The People
--if this guy and everyone around him aren't frog-marched to the gallows, I wash my hands of the stupid STUPID Americans who let themselves be treated like the most foolish marks in the history of humanity by the most obvious grifters on the planet.
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Eurobabe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-29-06 06:20 AM
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24. I am so sick of hearing about Rover
He needs to wake up and find his ass in the slammer.
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CJCRANE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-29-06 06:28 AM
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25. The thing to be careful of
is that they don't use Saddam's verdict on Nov 5th in the same way they used Osama's video in Nov' 04...i.e. as an excuse that voters changed their minds at the last minute because they believed the Repubs were stronger on security...

If the Democrats have any sense they will have something lined up to counteract that or even distract from it.
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54anickel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-29-06 09:15 AM
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43. Looks like Saddam's verdict may be delayed
Saddam verdict could be delayed for some days

http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/IBO946224.htm

BAGHDAD, Oct 29 (Reuters) - A court trying Saddam Hussein for the killing of Shi'ites in the 1980s could delay delivering a verdict, due next Sunday, for a few days to give judges more time to review testimonies, the chief prosecutor said on Sunday.

Jaafar al-Moussawi said the U.S.-backed Iraqi High Tribunal was still working on the judgement, which could send the ousted leader to the gallows if he is found guilty of crimes against humanity over his role in the killing of 148 villagers.

"We will know a day or two before the trial if they are ready to announce the verdict," he told Reuters.

Delaying the sentence, which was originally due for Nov. 5, could be a disappointment for U.S. President George W. Bush and his Republican Party.

Polls suggest Republicans could lose control of Congress in elections on Nov. 7 and a guilty verdict against Saddam could be used by Bush and his allies as a vindication of their policy to overthrow him.

more...


Then there's this...might have scared them off from trying to use a Saddam verdict, but I doubt it. Would the verdict include the penalty?

Saddam Hussein's chief lawyer warns of more violence in Iraq if ex-president sentenced to death

http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2006/10/29/africa/ME_GEN...

AMMAN, Jordan Saddam Hussein's chief lawyer warned Sunday of worsening violence in Iraq and chaos through the Mideast if the ex-president was sentenced to death in his trial on charges of crimes against humanity because of an anti-Shiite crackdown in the 1980s.

Khalil al-Dulaimi also said he would attend Saddam's resumed hearings Monday on separate charges of genocide against the Kurds, breaking a monthlong boycott of the trial.

Al-Dulaimi told The Associated Press in Jordan that he warned of a civil war in a letter sent recently to U.S. President George W. Bush.

"I warned him against the death penalty and against any other decision that would inflame a civil war in Iraq and send fire throughout the region," al-Dulaimi he said in a telephone interview from Baghdad. He did not say when exactly and how he sent the letter to Bush.

"Any foolish American decision will further complicate things and will pose a serious threat to U.S. interests in the region," he said.

Al-Dulaimi also claimed that the offices of Saddam's defense team in the U.S.-controlled Green Zone of Baghdad were ransacked over a week ago, and that more than 1,400 pages of the trial documents were damaged.

more...
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NashVegas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-29-06 09:31 AM
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44. Anyway, I Don't Think It Would Help the GOP
You'd just have people going, "wow, we got a Saddam conviction, great. 2500 + soldiers had to die for that?"
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54anickel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-29-06 12:05 PM
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52. Yes, but you haven't applied any turd polish to the idea, and there's
that percentage of his rabid base that still believes Saddam was connected to 9/11...it's the base they are trying to fire up to get to the polls. The ones that have become disenchanted since the Foley business came out and were planning to sit this one out. Add a Saddam verdict with some fresh turd polish to the gay marriage referendums that are on a lot of ballots and you might just coax them to the back to the polls.
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-29-06 06:37 AM
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26. Last night on NBC news
Allen Raymond was talking about Tobin and the fact that the New Hampshire Senate election phone jamming scandal was orchestrated from the White House. He said he regretted his involvement big time since his life has been destroyed but the top men escaped.

These fuggers are criminals and Rove continues to be treated like a hero.
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kurth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-29-06 07:30 AM
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27. Don't forget Flaming Red Terra Alert this week
The #1 play in the GOP campaign manual.
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cassiepriam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-29-06 07:59 AM
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31. All they have to do is steal the senate races.
Throw the Dems a bone, let them win the house,
but steal the Senate.

And do enough hate ads to make it look like a tight race,
few will suspect anything when Dems don't have a sweep.

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The Count Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-29-06 08:08 AM
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32. "stayed within the rules against exerting improper influence"?
The whole thing is diverting tax money to political campaigns...You know, like they yelled about Lincoln bedroom and Gore's e-mails...Glad that LA times is so awed and decided that as long as it's not "explicitly" it's legal...Sheesh!
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rainy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-29-06 08:23 AM
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35. It seems like such an uphill battle doesn't it? The corporate media
is our biggest block to reaching the people.
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AzDar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-29-06 08:30 AM
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36. Bullshit. KKKarl 'wins' ONLY if he cheats. Rove is no 'virtuoso';
Edited on Sun Oct-29-06 08:34 AM by AzDar
he's an unethical, sleazy mound of shit so bloated he could make two mounds.


edited for: REALLY bad language...Rove does that to me. :grr:
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saigon68 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-29-06 09:58 AM
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45. Tell it like it is
he is the Festering Carbuncle of the Anus of the Chimpanzee


For those who are educationally challenged:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbuncle
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AndyTiedye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-07-06 01:47 AM
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90. But KKKarl Always Cheats, so He Always Wins
:grr:
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Gman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-29-06 08:41 AM
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39. Why weren't eyebrows raised at the recent hate-radioathon on the WH
lawn?
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-29-06 08:55 AM
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41. does this mean more fake protests?
Like those in Florida 2000?

The brownshirts are coming.
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Rose Siding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-29-06 09:02 AM
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42. How is that within the rules? The WH political director discusses
campaign strategy (in the form of "battleground races") with govt employees in a formal situation is legal? Can that be?
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DeepModem Mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-29-06 11:22 AM
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47. It does not sound legal to me, Rose. I'd like to see...
it investigated, and put to a court test. I guess I have a dream that we can jail the SOB yet.
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TrogL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-29-06 10:08 AM
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46. errr...is that legal?
Up here we're having a controversy right now over the exact same issue - government employees used for campaining.
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pinniped Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-29-06 11:25 AM
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49. What, this turd has pictures of everyone in the underoos?
?
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truthisfreedom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-29-06 11:27 AM
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50. ive heard flu season is starting early this year.
imagine rove with a splitting headache, body-ache, and fever.

focus on it.

make it happen.
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brentspeak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-29-06 11:35 AM
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51. Nice to know our tax dollars are paying for Rove's campaigning lessons
He "stayed within the rules": in other words, he's an amoral slimeball who's playing with our tax dollars and government apparatus.
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cui bono Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-29-06 12:14 PM
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53. Whether it is legal or not is not for the LAT to decide. Funny how in
a time where journalists gereally act as stenographers they have now jumped to a new profession of being the judge. Time for a letter writing campaign to the Times.

And regardless of the legalities, clearly it is of questionable ethicality. The Dems should shout about this story just to show what the WH is doing. I don't think the public would like it too much. And they should add the fact of that "disaster meeting" and that the WH had a tea party for the hate-monger RW radio hosts.

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jackbourassa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-29-06 12:25 PM
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56. Karl Rove and George W. Bush are beginning to remind me...
of Hitler in that bunker! With his "secret weapons" and "secret plans for victory."
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kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-29-06 12:27 PM
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58. Whatever Rove's plan is, it sure doesn't include spending any $ on
phone calls to constituents in SoCal. I am registered (R) to decrease the chance of "mysterious" voting problems, and about two weeks ago the political phone calls from Republicans stopped COLD. Maybe they have given up here and are focusing elsewhere, where they have a slightly better chance? I am in a secure (D) district.
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stepnw1f Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-29-06 12:58 PM
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59. Rove=Goebbels
Another extremist nutcase.
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Evergreen Emerald Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-29-06 01:28 PM
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60. are we paying him?
If so, why? The RNC should be paying his salary.
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Olney Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-29-06 02:33 PM
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62. Why are my tax dollars paying Rove's salary?
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Penndems Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-29-06 02:38 PM
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63. DMMom, once again, you're ahead of the game!
Thanks for putting this up. I posted it over at GD, along with a few comments:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...
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DeepModem Mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-29-06 03:25 PM
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70. I saw your post. This is a fascinating piece --
and could probably be posted in any number of forums, so as not to be missed. And I agree with you -- what Karl is doing doesn't seem legal to me.
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Penndems Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-29-06 05:17 PM
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74. This is absolutely a must-read piece
As usual, The L.A. Times did its homework and published a thorough, investigative piece.

Absolutely this is illegal. In fact, about a month before the 1992 Presidential election, the FBI was investigating the Bush 41 White House for doing exactly what Rove has been up to for the past two election cycles.

A little Clinton White House insider story:

When Bill Clinton was taking the Presidential Oath of Office at precisely noon on January 20, 1993, two of his staff members walked through the Pennsylvania Avenue entrance of The White House. Their job was to make sure that the moving van arrived on time, and that everything was up and running, ready for the staff to come in and "hit the ground running", so to speak.

When they went into the various offices both inside the Immediate Office of the President and the Eisenhower Old Executive Office Building, they were absolutely dumbstruck to find that there were only monitors and keyboards on the desks. Was it a prank from the outgoing Bush Administration? Nope: The FBI had confiscated every single hard drive as evidence.

I know this story is true, because it was related to me by one of those two people.
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DeepModem Mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-29-06 07:39 PM
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80. Wow! What a story! And, you know, it's really hard to play politics...
on an uneven playing field -- when one side has no qualms about engaging in the extralegal.
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Penndems Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-29-06 08:42 PM
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85. Exactly and, as you probably remember, the Bush-Quayle '92 campaign pulled every
dirty stunt they could think of to derail Clinton-Gore.

Remember that raid on the National Records Center that was orchestrated by Elizabeth Tamposi, the then-Assistant Secretary of State for Consular Affairs? They went in and pulled the passport files for former President Clinton, his mother and Ross Perot.

The law means absolutely nothing to those people, and they'll stoop to whatever measures, legal or otherwise, it takes for them to win.
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maryallen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-29-06 02:52 PM
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64. "HACK ALERT!!!" --- Rove's 72-Hour-Plan
Edited on Sun Oct-29-06 02:53 PM by maryallen
Rove: "O.K. boys, the game plan is to hack them before they hack us."
(Major psychological projection here.)

Rove: "And watch out for those Dems with camera-phones!"
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TexasLawyer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-29-06 02:58 PM
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65. Your tax dollars at work!
This is beyond sickening!
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tewl Donating Member (57 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-29-06 03:01 PM
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66. Rove is scared shitless
n/t
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OnionPatch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-29-06 03:06 PM
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67. So Rove sends out the flying monkeys
:popcorn:
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CanSocDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-29-06 03:30 PM
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71. You probably won't get a copy of his "PLAN" but....


...I'm sure that from past experience, you could make an educated guess about what he is capable of doing, in the "72 hours" leading up to election-day. You already know WHAT&WHEN he wants to do...turn democrat voters into republican voters.....

Instead of being outraged you should be focused on HOW, not to mention WHERE and how to prevent it from happening.

If voting Americans are so fickle as to have their values change from the last poll to the voting booth, surely they can be flipped right back to Democrat, maybe even using the same 'tools'.

Since you already know the 'mainstream media' is bought and paid for, keep in mind there is still lots of sign space available....please get your message out!!



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Beetwasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-29-06 03:39 PM
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72. "and to put the resources of the federal government to use for political gain...."
:mad:
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humbled_opinion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-29-06 05:26 PM
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75. How Rove thinks..
Watch out for the major surprise. It is coming this week... potentially Wednesday. Either Bin Laden or Zawahiri... Rove is a master when it comes to these things.... The chips weren't down enough in 04 to show their hand but this time is different if they can swing a small bit of momentum their way they can possibly hold the Congress.... Rove senses this and the gloves will be off this week... Stand By all..
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sendero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-29-06 06:08 PM
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78. Oh..
... nobody disagrees that there will be some last-minute big deal or whatever. But I don't think it's going to work. I think folks are waking up to these shenannigans and I don't think thousands and thousands of folks are going to go running to the Repugs over yet another phoney-assed staged nothingburger event.
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humbled_opinion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-29-06 06:27 PM
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79. I certainly hope not but a wounded and cornered animal
Edited on Sun Oct-29-06 06:28 PM by humbled_opinion
is the most dangerous kind. Especially Elephants..
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Bullshot Donating Member (807 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-29-06 07:45 PM
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81. There's a part of me that thinks the media are setting Dems up.
There's no doubt in my mind that the Democrats will gain seats after the November elections, it's a question of how many.

But the Republicans and their media stooges are dictating the dialogue to make it seem that anything less than the Dems taking over the House AND Senate is a loss to the Dems.

Take what you can get Democrats. If it means taking over the House, but not the Senate, take it. If the Dems take both houses, then great. If the Dems get neither, then work harder for 2008, at least you gained on the Republicans.
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moondust Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-29-06 08:30 PM
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84. Another terror attack?
Strongarm tactics in the workplace? Other threats? At this point I wouldn't rule out anything from these desperados. Citizen beware!
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0rganism Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-29-06 08:50 PM
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86. the "72-hour plan" ...
Next Monday, the shit hits the fan big-time.

Which sort of demands a follow question, where's the Democrats' 72-hour plan, marshalled directly by the smartest politicos in the country?
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buddysmellgood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-30-06 12:01 AM
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88. I call Bullshit on that article. Those aren't prongs of a plan. What a gushing,
ass-kissing story. Rove is going to blow up stuff. He is going to hit the terror button an it will backfire.
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pat_k Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-30-06 03:00 AM
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89. Blow the Cover off the GOP GOTV Myth
Edited on Mon Oct-30-06 03:08 AM by pat_k
They are one trick ponies.

"The plan" as always is to steal as much as they can in as many places as they can.

As folks here have been reporting, they have once again successfully purged registered voters, created registration forms with confusing and redundant checkboxes (and failed to notify voters when their registrations were deemed "invalid"). . . on and on.

Due to efforts of folks across the nation the problem with secret and corruptable vote counters (i.e., DREs) are finally being recognized. There have been many "saves," but the fascist minions are busy, busy, bees.


The machines are just one danger of many. You can't count (or miscount) votes that are never cast. (They will be barring voters from voting, there will be poll tax lines. . .)

Whatever they do, they can't pull off the theft without a COVER STORY.

The mythical GOP GOTV effort is that COVER STORY.

And we need to figure out ways to blow the Cover Off It.

Perhaps push reporters (such as they are) at Cable, Network, and Print news outlets to get out there and witness/investigate the mythical GOTV effort. Would like to ID specific people to pressure -- a couple at each network, nytimes, wapo, latimes. . .

Thoughts?

October 3, 2006 Republican GOTV Machine: Fact or Myth?

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