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ButterflyBlood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-28-06 08:51 PM
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Irish police 'foil Real IRA plot'
<i>Irish police believe they have disrupted a bomb plot aimed at hurting the Northern Ireland political process.

The Republic's national broadcaster, RTE, reported the plot was aimed at disrupting the 24 November deadline for a deal on power sharing.

A large amount of explosives were found in Kilbranish, Mount Leinster, County Carlow on Friday night and made safe by Irish Defence Forces on Saturday. </i>

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/northern_ireland/609...

Looks like those bastards are back to their ways it seems...
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Nolo_Contendre Donating Member (259 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-28-06 08:53 PM
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1. Which bastards would that be?
The British occupiers or the Irish freedom fighters?
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ButterflyBlood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-28-06 08:54 PM
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3. Bombing shopping malls isn't freedom fighting
And a majority of the population there wants to remain British. Therefore, it should be British, period.
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Nolo_Contendre Donating Member (259 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-28-06 09:04 PM
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7. Your opinion is just that. Period.
Many disagree with you. The governments (and their supporters) that make terrorism accusations are usually guilty of far worse as is the case withthe US and UK. The people of Ireland do not want to be British subjects despite the vocal and influential Protestant minority.
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LiberalinNC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-28-06 09:14 PM
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9. Was recently in Ireland and was told my family that the Irish forgive
the Brits for their past doings, but they want them OUT of their country. The majority of the people I spoke with do want them removed with violence.
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ButterflyBlood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-28-06 09:25 PM
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10. uh, no, it's a Protestant MAJORITY
the big problem there.
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Nolo_Contendre Donating Member (259 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-28-06 09:32 PM
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11. The overwhelming majority of Ireland's population is Catholic
The neocolonial enclave of Northern Ireland carved out by the British has a bare 55% Protestant majority, due mainly to policies that discriminate against Catholics.
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ButterflyBlood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-28-06 09:54 PM
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14. The rest of Ireland doesn't matter. That's a seperate country.
The people of the North are Protestant majority and want to remain part of Britain. There is no reason they should be forced into the Irish Republic, especially consider how much of a backward mysoginistic state it is.
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Nolo_Contendre Donating Member (259 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-28-06 10:41 PM
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16. It's one country, that's why there is a conflict with the occupiers
Your opinions about who is "backward" reflect more about you than about Ireland.
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ButterflyBlood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-29-06 11:24 AM
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25. It's not one country. It's an island with two countries on it
Just like Borneo (that has 3 countries on it actually) or Timor, or Papua.

Any country that forces thousands of its women to travel to Britain each year for abortions, banned divorce until 1995, contraception until 1979 and locked girls up in slave labor laundries out of fear they might be promiscous is pretty backwards in my view. The mysoginy of Ireland disgusts me.
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Southsideirish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-28-06 10:50 PM
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18. My mom's family and our fore bearers put up with hundreds of years of crap
from the Prod majority in the North. Forced to live on a few acres of old rocky soil while the landlords took the good land and charged the Catholics rent to farm making them tenant farmers on their own property. They were even taxed by how many windows their houses had -insidious methods to keep people down.
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sg_ Donating Member (152 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-29-06 07:19 AM
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23. I guess only..
Edited on Sun Oct-29-06 07:22 AM by sg_
bombing shops is considered 'freedom fighting' when one most likely lives thousands of miles away from where these atrocites took place...unlike others like myself.
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cigsandcoffee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-28-06 09:36 PM
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12. Freedom fighters, my ass.
They've got more in common with the mafia than Ghandi.
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Nolo_Contendre Donating Member (259 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-28-06 09:38 PM
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13. Gandhi also was considered a terrorist by the British
Anyone who threatens the status quo is a threat. The IRA have not survived for decades because people love the British.
Your opinion is duly noted.
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ButterflyBlood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-28-06 09:56 PM
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15. I don't recall Ghandi bombing a shopping mall killing 29 innocent people?
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Nolo_Contendre Donating Member (259 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-28-06 10:45 PM
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17. Gandhi's movement for Indian independence led to many deaths
The British have been responsible for countless atrocities in Ireland. Hence, the opposition to their continued presence. Your one-sided blinkered view reflects your biases which you are welcome to have. Try to educate yourself on the roots of the conflict and you will find that the British colonization of Ireland was and continues to be a bloody and oppressive history.
http://www.infoplease.com/spot/northireland1.html
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ButterflyBlood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-29-06 11:27 AM
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26. I know about it
Despite that, I can't muster any sympathy for the murdering bastards in the IRA who did such bombings and stuff like this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kingsmill_massacre or the evil and repressive Catholic church.
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muriel_volestrangler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-29-06 04:55 AM
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19. This is the Real IRA, not the IRA
The "Real IRA" are indeed a bunch of murdering bastards, who have almost no support anywhere in the island. The IRA has disarmed. Sinn Fein is in government talks. The Real IRA, meanwhile, were responsible for the bomb in Omagh.
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Stella_Artois Donating Member (838 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-29-06 11:38 AM
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28. Very true
Its sad that anyone can call their merry band of criminals anything with "IRA" in the name in order to garner support in America from people who have a misty eyed view of the "old country"
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-28-06 08:54 PM
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2. What bastards, the Irish from the north? And I thought their
"bones to be picked" had been boiled by now.
How come they're angry again?
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WHEN CRABS ROAR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-28-06 08:59 PM
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4. So much hate.
So little forgiveness.
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NavyDavy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-28-06 08:59 PM
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5. one mans terrorist is another mans freedom fighter
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hpot Donating Member (359 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-28-06 09:00 PM
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6. Things may not be as they seem (False Flag Operations)
After 9/11, London 7/7, and Russia's own false flag op..

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-59482636075793...


It would be wise to remain sceptical of all terror claims.

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WHEN CRABS ROAR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-28-06 09:05 PM
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8. I agree.
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Henny Penny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-29-06 05:13 AM
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20. Very wise! This looks to me like an attempt to
focus minds... and perhaps put pressure particularly on the dup supporters. But the dup supporters are not the idiots they are often painted as and this kind of crassness usually backfires.

The Real IRA has more in common with British intelligence than any of the the other organisations listed above. And anyone who's cares to check need only look at the onging completely farcical trial of one of the supposed Omagh bombers for some interesting pointers!
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CJCRANE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-29-06 05:20 AM
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21. Exactly
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slaveplanet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-29-06 07:10 AM
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22. British Agents is the polite term
Edited on Sun Oct-29-06 07:20 AM by slaveplanet
I call them what they are...Pommy assassins and their embedded Irish proxies.

Some of those proxies have come in from the cold:

The Steak Knife affair and Britains dirty war in Northern Ireland

more...
http://www.wsws.org/articles/2003/aug2003/irel-a09.shtm...

After months of claims, counterclaims, denials and fresh accusations, it now seems highly likely that the one-time second in command of the Provisional Irish Republican Armys (IRAs) internal security was for many years an agent of British intelligence.

The possible identity of a top-level British agent in the IRA, code name Stakeknife or Steak Knife, had previously been hinted at in an article in the Belfast Sunday People, on June 23, 2002, by journalist Greg Harkin. Although he did not name the individual, Harkin stated that Steak Knifes existence surfaced during investigations into the British Armys Force Research Units (FRUs) dealings with the pro-British Ulster Defence Associations (UDAs) intelligence officer and British spy, Brian Nelson.

According to Harkin, Nelson told his FRU handlers that Steak Knife was going to be killed by the UDAs assassination wing, which considered him to be a significant IRA figure. Nelson was told by the FRU to organise the killing of another former IRA associate instead. The eventual victim was Francisco Notarantonio, shot October 9, 1987.

On May 11, 2003, three Irish newspapers finally named Alfredo Scappaticci as Steak Knife, pointing to disgruntled ex-British agents as their sources. Scappaticci, they said, had been responsible for tracking down and interrogating alleged British informers in the IRAoften torturing and killing them in isolated farmhouseswhile himself an agent for the FRU. Scappaticci had reportedly offered his services to the British security forces in 1978, following a brutal beating from a senior IRA member.
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acmavm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-29-06 08:08 AM
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24. Give ALL of Ireland back to the Irish. The Protestant's and the
Edited on Sun Oct-29-06 08:09 AM by acmavm
native Catholics will never get along.
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Stella_Artois Donating Member (838 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-29-06 11:36 AM
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27. What do you propose will become of the Protestants ?
Send them back to Scotland where their ancestors came from hundreds of years ago ?

What do you propose shall happen to the lands taken from the native Americans by among others Irish settlers ?

Shall we send the Irish back to Ireland ? The Irish and the natives will never get along you know.
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sg_ Donating Member (152 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-29-06 12:27 PM
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30. Very simplistic view of things...
Im a N.Irish Protestant and I get on quite well with my Catholic friends. Same goes for most people.

Its a 'Nationalistic' issue instead of a Religious one.
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acmavm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-29-06 04:26 PM
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31. EXACTLY!!!! For generations this has been framed in the form of
a 'religious war'. That has always been stupid. The first English conquerors were sent over during the reign of Henry II. They were Catholic. It's just by virtue of the fact that Henry VIII had the urge to marry again and the church wouldn't allow it that religion ever came into it at al.

In fact, a lot of what we think of as being a native Irish name, those that start with Fitz, are really Norman.

I didn't say send anyone anywhere. Get England damn well out of Ireland and let them govern themselves. People here say let the Americans leave and let the Iraqis work it out, well the same should have happened in Ireland a long time ago.

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TheBaldyMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-29-06 11:47 AM
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29. thats RIRA - the Real IRA - a tiny splinter group n/t
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