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arcos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-23-06 09:49 PM
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Oliver North back in Nicaragua as old foe leads
Oliver North back in Nicaragua as old foe leads

Oct 23, 2006 MANAGUA, Nicaragua (Reuters) - U.S. Cold War warrior Oliver North, famous for his role in funding Nicaraguan rebels in the Iran-Contra affair, is back in the fray in the Central American nation's tense presidential election.

North, a former lieutenant colonel in the U.S. Marines, was in the Nicaraguan capital on Monday to give his backing to the ruling Liberal Party's conservative candidate, Jose Rizo.

North said he was worried by opinion polls that show his former enemy Daniel Ortega, who led the left-wing Sandinista government during the 1980s civil war against Contra rebels, could bounce back to power in the November 5 election.

<snip>

U.S. Ambassador Paul Trivelli, who favors Rizo's conservative rival Eduardo Montealegre, said North was a private citizen and not speaking for Washington.

<snip>

http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory?id=2601523
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TomInTib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-23-06 09:55 PM
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1. This is just bizarre..
Sending Nervous Breakdown (that's why he was shipped out of Vietnam) North to Nicaragua to campaign against Ortega just blows me away.
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Telly Savalas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-23-06 09:57 PM
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3. Maybe he's in charge of our Latin America policy again.
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TomInTib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-23-06 10:02 PM
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6. Yeah, and Fawn Hall has the 'roadmap' in her bra.
I have often considered (not fantasized - considered) doing awful shit to mr north.

When he showed up in his Marine uniform at the Iran-Contra hearings I wanted him gone.

Gone.
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sidpleasant Donating Member (376 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-24-06 08:09 AM
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19. Psycho Ollie and the Marine uniform
After he returned from a short (less than a month) assignment to Okinawa in 1974 Oliver North had a serious mental breakdown and spent 3 weeks in Bethesda Naval Hospital. North has never challenged reports that he ran naked through the streets waving a pistol and screaming. When North was assigned to the Reagan White House he was allowed to carry his personal file with him, a severe breach of regulations (Marines are usually never allowed to be alone with their file; if you want to read the records another person must always be present). Somehow, by the time Ollie arrived at the WH all records of his mental breakdown had mysteriously vanished from his file! While working in the WH North never wore his Marine uniform. He dressed in suits - one can only conclude that North was ashamed of the uniform. Of course he was only too happy to exploit the uniform he shunned for 5 years when he testified before Congress. My late father was a career Marine who absolutely despised Ollie for doing that, and his low opinion of Ollie was wide - spread in the Corps.
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-24-06 10:19 AM
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32. He still is NOT respected by many within the Marine Corps ...
Edited on Tue Oct-24-06 10:24 AM by ShortnFiery
We live close to Quantico Marine Corps base. My husband, a retired Marine despises Oliver North for his treasonous actions during Iraq Contra Operations and the subsequent cover-up. He keeps in contact with many friends and associates who are still Active Duty. Again, many save for the fringe super-right-wing Marines feel that Oliver North, if not in jail, should NOT be lauded in any way.

Military Officers take an Oath to uphold and defend The Constitution of the United States, NOT cover for those within The Executive Branch above all else. :wtf:

My husband and I were very proud to take that oath. Our Commissioning rates up there in the top five most treasured experiences in life. We enjoyed an all Military Wedding - wearing our Dress Blue Uniforms with the maids of honor and best man in their Class As (Greens).

We both know the downsides of active service. However, to claim that *we love the military* would be an understatement. However, my retired USMC husband and I (vet) do NOT honor Oliver North because the motto "Semper Fi" (always faithful) means absolutely nothing to him.

IMO (and many military, retirees and veterans) all that Oliver North served was his own best interests. :thumbsdown:
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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-23-06 10:02 PM
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7. One wonders how a convicted felon ...
(convicted for crimes involving that little corner of the world and illegal ops) is:

A) allowed a passport

B) allowed by Nicaragua to cross it's borders.

Bizarre in the EXTREME, TomInTib (damn, I almost made the mistake of using your screen-name initials again! Some day I'll be sleepy enough not to catch myself at that )

Olly North, Iran-Contra bag man can go 'campaign' in Nicaragua, but DHS gives little old ladies traveling within the US heartache, searches them at airports and Cat Stevens is dangerous?!?! :wtf: A-friggin-MAZING.

Olly pulling black ops again? Guess that TV thing isn't workin out for North?
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TomInTib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-23-06 10:05 PM
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9. Good points.
Across the board, but especially "b".

TIT
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gratuitous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-23-06 10:40 PM
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14. Remember, his conviction was overturned
And his criminal record wiped clean, because somehow the investigative bulldogs in the Republican-controlled Senate aired a bunch of evidence against good soldier Ollie that couldn't be used against him in a courtroom. So his convictions were overturned on a technicality, and a criminal thug was allowed to walk free by activist judges like David Sentelle. Whoops, I mean, justice was served.
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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-23-06 11:06 PM
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15. Still convicted. Wonder why ANY nation would grant a visa
The guy is a poster boy for disrupting democracy.
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hedgehog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-24-06 09:06 AM
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23. Which is a good thing to remember when demanding that
Congress investigate and impeach Bush. We have to be very careful what we wish for. Most people don't have the time to listen to all the testimony in a Congressional hearing. If Congress fails to nail Bush but taints the evidence, Bush walks and the Republicans will crow that it was all politics..
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MountainMamma Donating Member (192 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-23-06 09:56 PM
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2. What ya doing back down in Managua, Ollie???
Why not come on home and let those folks elect whom they want to elect. If they want the Sandinistas back in power, that is their business. Nose out!
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lastknowngood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-23-06 10:00 PM
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4. I hope they arrest that asshole for the crimes he commited against
the people of Nicaraga
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mitchtv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-23-06 10:06 PM
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10. Nicaraguan version of Illegal combatant
If anyone deserves to visit a secret Nico prison, he does. State terrorist.
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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-23-06 10:01 PM
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5. The proper response to this non-subtle threat would be to arrest Ollie
as a principal in a terrorist conspiracy.
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AlCzervik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-23-06 10:04 PM
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8. Ollie better hope he's a good security team.
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bigworld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-23-06 10:08 PM
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11. This is supposed to help Ortega's opponent?
If anything, it'll send support to Ortega. Bizarre!
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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-23-06 10:18 PM
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12. Boy, that is stupid on so many levels you don't know where to start. nt
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razors edge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-23-06 10:34 PM
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13. something tells me he ain't there for a campaign commercial,
probably spreading more of our tax dollars around and rubbing elbows with the needy rich.
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davidinalameda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-23-06 11:42 PM
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16. keep him!
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ngant17 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-24-06 07:39 AM
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17. a lot of leftwing governments to subvert in South America
so Ollie is wasting his time in Nicaragua, I guess he thinks there is a National Security threat for the USA. Like, maybe the coffee bean and banana industries might be at risk of going over to the communists.

RayGun's 'evil empire' was an invention to keep Ollie's war machines financed.

Maybe he will go senile and fade away like Mr. RayGun.
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-24-06 07:45 AM
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18. He's just checking out new vacation spots
for all his criminal buddies that will be fleeing the country when the DEMS take back Congress.

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yellowcanine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-24-06 08:14 AM
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20. Does he secretly want Ortega to win? His being there almost guarantees
it. Nothing like having a gringo campaigning for an opponent to boost your chances.
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geek tragedy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-24-06 08:19 AM
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21. He's about as welcome there as Mark Foley
is at a high school pep rally.
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MGKrebs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-24-06 09:01 AM
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22. Maybe a slight detour to Paraguay on the way back.
Evaluate the security needs of the new NeoCon Valley Estates down there.
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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-24-06 09:53 AM
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24. (Oliver) "North warns against Ortega vote"
Ex-White House aide Oliver North - at the centre of a 1980s scheme to finance Contra rebels in Nicaragua - has warned the country not to return to the past.
Mr North said he hoped voters would not elect ex-Sandinista leader and former President Daniel Ortega - whom the rebels sought to topple.

Mr Ortega is the favourite to win the 5 November presidential elections.

- snip -

"My hope is that the people of Nicaragua are not going to return to that. That's not good for your country. That's not good for my country."

Mr North visited a memorial for fallen Contra rebels.


What the hell is that snake doing still running around "on our behalf"... What's his actual job?

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peacetalksforall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-24-06 09:53 AM
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25. His job is propaganda. No drugs in sight. nt
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dipsydoodle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-24-06 09:53 AM
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26. What's his actual job?
pokin' his nose where it don't belong I guess.
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habitual Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-24-06 09:53 AM
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27. I believe the going lie is the following:
he is a private citizen acting on his own behalf.

Apparently, he just happened to be in the neighborhood (Nicaragua).
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Greeby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-24-06 09:53 AM
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28. And on November 6th, if Ortega wins
Someone needs to put up a banner outside 41's house that simply reads "You Failed" :evilgrin:
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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-24-06 09:53 AM
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29. That first line is worded wrong --
it should be "Ex-convict Oliver North..."
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bowens43 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-24-06 09:53 AM
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30. Who cares what this freedom hating felon thinks?
Amazing that the press gives this scum any time at all.
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Tempest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-24-06 09:58 AM
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31. Is North secretly working for Ortega?
No Nicaraguan who lived through, or saw the results of, Reagan's secret dirty war is going to listen to one of the masterminds of the war.

It would be like Chilians voting for a candidate Pinochet supported.
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MGKrebs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-24-06 11:52 AM
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34. "Mastermind" isn't the first thing that springs to mind (lol)
when talking about Ollie, but I suppose it's technically correct, such as it is. :-)
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donsu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-24-06 10:45 AM
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33. where ever North goes it's to do criminal business


he belongs in prison
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ngant17 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-25-06 07:12 PM
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37. the criminal has returned to the scene of the crime(s)
or at least, that is the old saying.

I'm sure there is a small base of rich conservative Nicaraguans who are thrilled to see this gringo back in town.

OTOH dear Ollie might want to avoid certain towns in the country-side, as I wouldn't think his safety could not be guaranteed in some of those locations where in the past US-financed contra death-squads ran amok on his behalf.
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TheCowsCameHome Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-24-06 12:55 PM
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35. Aw, the teary-eyed Marine heads home. Maybe he'll stay there this time.
What an asshole.
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mogster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-24-06 05:22 PM
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36. OK, I just dropped this as a new thread, here's from the BBC
(Ollie) North warns against Ortega vote

Ex-White House aide Oliver North - at the centre of a 1980s scheme to finance Contra rebels in Nicaragua - has warned the country not to return to the past.
Mr North said he hoped voters would not elect ex-Sandinista leader and former President Daniel Ortega - whom the rebels sought to topple.

Mr Ortega is the favourite to win the 5 November presidential elections.

His left-wing Sandinistas led Nicaragua in the 1980s and were voted out in 1990 after a decade of civil war.
(...)
North:
"My hope is that the people of Nicaragua are not going to return to that. That's not good for your country. That's not good for my country."
(...)
Mr North visited a memorial for fallen Contra rebels.

He also met conservative Jose Rizo, who according to polls is running third behind the conservative candidate favoured by Washington, Eduardo Montealegre.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/6080172.stm

-----------------------------------------------

Note the use of lingo here? 'Left-wing Sandinistas' vs. conservative isn't unbiased, considered the very real following Ortega has and what we know about the Contra movement and North's past.
We need to critisize the BBC if we want to keep it liberal.
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