Reuters: Upset U.S. dad pulls gun on son's football coach

[OKIsItJustMe]

http://today.reuters.com/news/articlenews.aspx?type=dom...

Upset U.S. dad pulls gun on son's football coach

Mon Oct 23, 2006 12:37 PM ET

PHILADELPHIA (Reuters) - The father of a young football player pulled a gun on his son's coach because he didn't think the boy was getting enough playing time, Philadelphia police said on Monday.

Wayne Derkotch, 40, was charged with aggravated assault after getting in a fight with the coach over the amount of time the boy was getting on the field at a game for 6- and 7-year-olds on Sunday morning, said police spokesman Officer Raul Malveiro.

"There was a physical altercation about what child should play or not play and then he pulled the gun," Malveiro said.

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[jobycom]

1. Philadelphia fans.

[HarukaTheTrophyWife]

5. Damn, you beat me to it!

I am so not surprised this is in Philly. Next they'll be putting a jail under the bleachers at the peewee football field.

[Kikosexy2]

22. I guess...

eating Chunky Soup is not enough...Oh Donovan??

[LostinVA]

24. Hey, if it was good enough for Vet's stadium...

[wholetruth00]

26. No, damn guns. i think guns become an estension of "you know what"

for the Rambo gun nuts. Yes, i know, how most of you feel about guns, but looking at the facts across the world about crime, guns, murder, safety, security...I don't see how the gun lovers can take the stand they do against GUN CONTROL. I am not suggesting that hunting guns be taken away from anyone. But surely there needs to be some kind of gun control and certain kinds of gun automatic guns and certain kinds of ammunitions should be banned altogether.

[llmart]

29. Absolutely agree......

the guys with the gun fetishes are lacking in the manly department and they think this makes up for it.

Got news for you guys. It doesn't. Oh, maybe with the hillbilly type of woman who is uneducated and still thinks she should stay home and be pregnant and barefoot - they may think a guy like that is manly. But not the majority of women.

[benEzra]

31. Umm...around a third of gun owners are women...

the guys with the gun fetishes are lacking in the manly department and they think this makes up for it.

Got news for you guys. It doesn't. Oh, maybe with the hillbilly type of woman who is uneducated and still thinks she should stay home and be pregnant and barefoot - they may think a guy like that is manly. But not the majority of women.

Ummm...roughly a third of gun owners are women, including a lot of DU's finest.

FWIW, my wife is originally from Cambridge, Massachusetts, has a B.A. in English, studies medieval history for fun (one of her favorite books is Barbara Tuchman's A Distant Mirror), has an IQ around 140--and is a gun owner. My sister graduated from NC State with a double major in engineering and mathematics, works as a professional engineer, and is also a gun owner. Might want to reevaluate your stereotypes.

Gun owners are actually somewhat more likely to be college educated than the general population...because owning guns requires disposable income, which means it's easier to be a gun enthusiast if you're college educated.

Don't take this personally, but the only people I've ever met who think guns are sex objects or make you "manly" are people who are unfamiliar with guns. Guns aren't toys; they are precision mechanical instruments, like SLR cameras.

[llmart]

36. Save your breath......

and your NRA propaganda statistics. This woman doesn't believe them. You'll never in a million years convince me to see your point of view.

[benEzra]

43. I'm sure I won't convince you...

but I hope at some point you do manage to see beyond your stereotypes, and realize that thinking people can disagree with you on this issue. Most of us aren't uneducated hicks, we don't drive pickup trucks or wear camoflage clothing, we don't view guns as wierd power objects, yadda yadda yadda, and a lot of us are women (including some of the gun owners posting on this thread, I see).

I don't speak for the NRA, I speak for me. My wife and I independently chose to own guns--she owns hers, I own mine--and we do so lawfully and responsibly. I respect your choice not to own them, but we also have a choice, and we choose to own guns.

[AJ9000]

47. Maybe you will listen to Thomas Jefferson. He was

for an armed citizenry, partly so the people could resist their own government if need be. We're not that far off from that situation now:

Thomas Jefferson

"The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government."

"The beauty of the Second Amendment is that it will not be needed until they try to take it."

“Laws that forbid the carrying of arms...disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes... Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man.” (Quoting Cesare Beccaria)

"What country can preserve its liberties if its rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance?"

"The spirit of resistance to government is so valuable on certain occasions that I wish it to be always kept alive. It will often be exercised when wrong, but better so than not to be exercised at all."

[benEzra]

30. This may surprise you...

But surely there needs to be some kind of gun control and certain kinds of gun automatic guns and certain kinds of ammunitions should be banned altogether.

This may surprise you, but automatic weapons ARE tightly controlled by Federal law, and have been for 72 years, by the Title 2/Class III provisions of the National Firearms Act. Possession of any automatic weapon without Federal permission (BATFE Form 4) is a 10-year Federal felony, with the only exceptions being military, government, or law enforcement use.

Armor-piercing handgun ammunition, which might allow a handgun to penetrate police body armor, has been banned since 1986. Armor piercing ammunition in rifle calibers up through .308/7.62x51mm has been banned since 1994.

Yes, i know, how most of you feel about guns, but looking at the facts across the world about crime, guns, murder, safety, security...

Comparing Americans to Americans--instead of to quite different cultures--says otherwise. The state with the lowest homicide rate in the nation is New Hampshire, also one of the most pro-gun states in the nation. The homicide rate of pro-gun Florida is essentially the same as that of gun-phobic New Jersey.

i think guns become an estension of "you know what" for the Rambo gun nuts....I don't see how the gun lovers can take the stand they do against GUN CONTROL. I am not suggesting that hunting guns be taken away from anyone.

Hunting guns are IRRELEVANT, as only 1 in 5 gun owners is a hunter.

I'm not opposed to reasonable gun control--background checks for purchase, restrictions on automatic weapons/sound suppressed firearms/guns over .50 caliber/grenade launchers/destructive devices/etc. etc. etc. What I AM opposed to is piling more and more restrictions on the law abiding, like banning civilian rifles with handgrips that stick out.

Dems and the Gun Issue - Now What

[Polesitter]

32. The NRA has been reaching out to women for quite a while

now. Their line - guns are equalizers that overcome the physical differences between sexes. In a knife fight, I'd rather have the glock.

Someone at work told me that Bill Clinton said that the repugs took congress and held it because of the NRA. Don't know if it's true or not, but it sounds like something he'd say. I did find this

"It quotes former President Bill Clinton repeatedly giving the NRA credit for delivering several key states to President Bush in his paper-thin victory over Al Gore in 2000. And there's a clear warning in the final excerpt from the Clinton archives: " 'The fight for the assault weapons ban cost 20 members their seats in Congress,' he told The Plain Dealer of Cleveland in 1995."

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/politics/20040902-99...

[MGD]

33. Firearm enthusiasts will be voting Ohio Republican senator Mike Dewine out

this November for his dismal record on second amendment rights if the polls are an accurate indicator of anything. Simultaneously, the polls also strongly suggest that the next Governor of Ohio will be, for the first time in decades, a Democrat. It is suspiciously coincidental that this Democrat, Ted Strickland, is also one of the only Democrats to ever receive an A+ rating from the NRA. Firearm enthusiasts are many and they are frequently single-issue voters making their support critical.

http://www.hillnews.com/thehill/export/TheHill/News/Fro...

http://www.tedstrickland.com/news/345/strickland-wins-n...

[benEzra]

34. The NRA would like to take credit for it,

but the backlash against the 1994 Feinstein ban would have happened with or without the NRA. In fact, had the NRA supported the "assault weapon" bait-and-switch, the NRA itself would have gone down.

Since all rifles combined account for less than 3% of homicides annually, the restrictions on civilian nonhunting-style rifles were aimed squarely at law-abiding gun owners, most of whom don't hunt.

Passing that law was a horrendous miscalculation on the part of the congressional leadership in 1994, and the backlash cost not only the House and Senate, but arguably the presidency in '00 (because of Gore's ties to the original AWB) and '04 (because Kerry got sucked into cosponsoring a much more sweeping version, S.1431, in 2004).

Gore lost WV and his home state of TN in '00 on the gun issue, and those electoral votes would have given him the Presidency even without Florida (and the gun issue was also huge in Florida, which isn't called the "Gunshine State" for nothing).

More on why the 1994 ban was such a loser: Dems and the Gun Issue - Now What? (DU thread)

How the gun ban played in rural Virginia, from DU's own virginiamountainman: Alienated Rural Democrat

[MGD]

35. That's exactly what I have been saying for years now.

The AWB, as harmless as it ultimately was, was a major political blunder on the part of Bill Clinton. I can fully understand how some of our inner city Democrat brothers and sisters wanted to reduce the incidence of gun violence on their streets and I'm fully on board with that, but the AWB was not the smartest way to do it. I'm quite sure it did absolutely nothing in regards to inhibiting inner-city violence and it turned a lot of Democrats into Republicans. It cost us dearly and we would be fools to ever replicate that experiment.

[michreject]

49. I disagree with this

Kerry got sucked into cosponsoring a much more sweeping version, S.1431, in 2004

I believe Sen. Kerry knew exactly what he was doing. He was mislead into thinking that his views were shared by a majority of the people.

[benEzra]

52. The reason I think he was misled...

is that he kept talking about automatic weapons when referring to his protruding handgrip ban. Either he was misled, or he was being deliberately deceptive.

I know that Senator Edwards was misled on the issue, from a brief correspondence with him on it (he was my senator at the time). He really didn't have a clue what the ban he voted for covered.

[olddad56]

46. I can see the guys point, 6-7 year old football is life or death.

[benEzra]

48. Did you mean to reply to the original post? (n/t)

[Cronus Protagonist]

2. What an awesome role model

Someone should give the local armed forces recruiter a heads-up on this guy's boy.

[shain from kane]

3. What would Mao say?

"All power comes from the barrel of a gun."
Mao Zedong

[Kolesar]

6. that remark

Is just so dry and absurd. Mixed imagery of Mao and 6 & 7 year olds in their little football uniforms.

[shain from kane]

9. The rule book is red. The Long March is a long hike. Padded uniform.

[BOSSHOG]

4. Every parent should be armed at a little league baseball game

just in case there is some dispute about playing time. Lets all join the NRA and always carry weapons. Hell, you might need to shoot that slow motherfucker ahead of you in the checkout line.

[struggle4progress]

10. Hell, you might need to shoot the other team's quarterback.

[bluerum]

12. Yes- second that. Abolish all concealed weapon laws and pass

legislation that legalizes your right to shoot first and ask questions later if you are :

1. somewhat offended


2. mildly irritated


3. suspect that someone may at sometime in the future rob you

Also - pass legislation to legalize once a year summary executions of people that offended you during the year. Just walk up to them and say - "You have been sentenced to death because" ------------ insert legalized gibberish here ----------------. Then bang.

You want to see people be nice to each other - just threaten em with being shot in the head.

BTW - this should not be for just any old everyday annoyance - but something really big like scratching your new car or being a fag having a lot of crude oil on your property.

[NOLADEM]

14. This is the law in Florida, almost not kidding

[bluerum]

15. Yeah I know. Carry permits easily available in TX too. nt

[sugapablo]

13. Well, in Florida...

...you just have to feel threatened by someone and you can open fire.

I feel threatened by everyone.

[benEzra]

16. Not true...

you still have to be in imminent danger of death or serious bodily harm or a forcible felony, just like in California and Massachusetts, unless you are the victim of an actual home invasion or carjacking, in which self-defense is presumed justified under the Castle Doctrine. And since a claim of self-defense is an "affirmative defense," in which the burden of proof is on the shooter to demonstrate that he acted lawfully, there is no "innocent until proven guilty" in self-defense cases.

Shoot someone on the street because you merely "feel threatened" and Florida will put you away for 10 years to life, depending on the mitigating circumstances.

[KittyWampus]

19. Oh man, did you just really type that?

Hell, you might need to shoot that slow motherfucker ahead of you in the checkout line

[stepnw1f]

7. There's a Guy Who Shouldn't Have a Gun!

[slackmaster]

8. He won't be allowed to if he gets convicted of aggravated assault

[bluerum]

11. Solution: Give the coach a gun! nt

[UndauntedD]

40. Solution:

We need to arm the teachers, coaches, checkout lady, all 7/11 clerks, and anyone who works in public.

THAT'S how you prevent people from shooting eachother... it's so obvious.

[michreject]

50. Take out the sarcasm tag

And you would be correct.

[BLUEBOY]

17. Everybody run, the home coming Queen has got a gun...

Stop it Debbie your making a mess, all over your pretty white dress...
A fun song from the "old" days

[damntexdem]

18. This is an outrage! An insult to football and America, alike!

Pulled a gun -- and then didn't even shoot the coach!

[Endangered Specie]

20. Brings a whole new meaning to a shotgun formation...

[colorado_ufo]

55. ROFL!

[piedmont]

21. He broke a law...

so try him for the crime. I've never understood why people get so damned violent about stupid stuff like kids' sports.

[loves_dulcinea]

23. this man has his priorities straight

i'll bet he's originally from the south. fuckin moron.
what is the deal with all the violence? here in charleston, s.c.,
people are killing eachother without abandon.
fucking crazy.

[Odin2005]

25. WTF is with parents and school sports?

It's like parents nowdays are a bunch of whiny, narcissistic assholes who expect thier kids to be treated like royalty.

[VegasWolf]

27. Now for the NRA to come defend the dad. Charleton Heston, here boy. nt

[rocktivity]

28. (Pre-click): "Just because the colleges are recruiting this kid

doesn't mean his father has the right to...

(Post click): HE'S ONLY SEVEN????"

rocknation

[Anakin Skywalker]

37. GOD BLESS AMERICA, INDEED!

What a great country we live in.

[Rex]

38. Play my son or else.

Dam.

[anotherdrew]

39. finally, a picture of this asshole from local6

[UndauntedD]

41. A fine looking gent

indeed

[anotherdrew]

42. I'm a little worried what other guns he has at home

hopefully his license is pulled for this. I sense a few session of anger management training in his future.

BTW - welcome to DU !

[benEzra]

44. More than that...

if he's convicted of unjustifiably pulling a gun on the coach, he'll be barred by Federal law from so much as touching a gun or a single round of ammunition for the rest of his life, per the Gun Control Act of 1968. AFAIK, there is currently no possibility of appeal short of pardon or clemency.

Personally, I wonder whether he had a license to start with, but we'll see.

[Irreverend IX]

45. I see a few prison gangbangs in his future.

Inexcusable.

[crim son]

51. How is it that these people often look like what they are?

What a hideous, smug, sack of shit this man is. IMHO of course.

[boilinmad]

53. Can you imagine....

.....we have to share the planet with this POS.....depressing isnt it?

[Mizmoon]

54. He deserves our pity and compassion

Why would he do this? He's a man who is very angry. He obviously feels like he's so worthless that no one will do what he wants except by force. He lives through the sports activity of his son.

He's actually a very sad figure. I hope he gets some help. It's best for him and for society.

[Katzenjammer]

56. Well and humanely said. I agree completely.

He badly needs re-socializing as a real man, not a cardboard cutout.