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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-12-06 10:37 PM
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Documents Reveal Scope of U.S. Database on Antiwar Protests
WASHINGTON, Oct. 12 Internal military documents released Thursday provided new details about the Defense Departments collection of information on demonstrations nationwide last year by students, Quakers and others opposed to the Iraq war.

The documents, obtained by the American Civil Liberties Union under a Freedom of Information Act lawsuit, show, for instance, that military officials labeled as potential terrorist activity events like a Stop the War Now rally in Akron, Ohio, in March 2005.

The Defense Department acknowledged last year that its analysts had maintained records on war protests in an internal database past the 90 days its guidelines allowed, and even after it was determined there was no threat.

A department spokesman said Thursday that the questionable data collection had led to a tightening of military procedures to ensure that only information relevant to terrorism and other threats was collected. The spokesman, Maj. Patrick Ryder, said in response to the release of the documents that the department views with great concern any potential violation of the policy.

The Grey Lady
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texpatriot2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-12-06 10:39 PM
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1. Gee, wonder why they are keeping track of "enemy combatants"
uh, I mean American citizens exercising their free right to assemble and peacefully protest.
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WCGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-12-06 10:42 PM
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3. Fuck these guys and their macho fear based bull shit...
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wholetruth00 Donating Member (576 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-14-06 06:28 AM
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42. American-style democracy and freedom at work.
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OKNancy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-12-06 10:40 PM
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2. How Nixonian (nt)
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LiberalHeart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-12-06 10:43 PM
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4. When I attended a peace rally last year...
...I went to my car afterward and saw a guy in a car casually writing down my license plate. I was parked where organizers had told us to park, in an isolated corner of a shopping center parking lot. The guy gave me the creeps and he didn't seem at all perturbed to have been caught.
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wuushew Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-13-06 08:47 AM
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23. Did you confront the guy?
I never pass up the chance for ideological battles. If it were me he would be lying on the ground with a fried brain and a crushed soul.
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civildisoBDence Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-13-06 03:40 PM
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35. Now, now, no need to resort to violence
when you could just as easily throw some holy water on him and watch him melt.

~(8^)}

Once during the Gulf War, we set up a peace camp outside the front entrance to the University of Georgia. One afternoon an elementary school bus rolled slowly by, and a dozen or so kids leaned out the windows to wave at us.

When we waved back, every last one of them flipped us off!

Newsprism
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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-12-06 10:50 PM
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5. Well, today an anti-war protest, tomorrow a vegetarian. Who knows
where it all will end? :scared:
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DeepModem Mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-12-06 10:59 PM
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6. Recommend #5.
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Dhalgren Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-12-06 11:04 PM
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7. K&R!
This needs to stay up so that everyone can get a glimpse of the Dictatorship in action...
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stevedeshazer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-12-06 11:08 PM
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8. I'm toast
Come get me, fuckers.
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Selteri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-12-06 11:44 PM
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9. Just remember, no habeus corpus, turn yourself in before they get ya.
After all, we have lost 9/10 rights. BAsically now we can... not allow the police or military to sleep in our homes without paying rent.
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elehhhhna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-13-06 08:18 AM
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18. You mean "turn your acquaintances in " before they get ya. riiight?
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Land Shark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-13-06 10:44 AM
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29. thanks keith olbermann for that observation and selteri for repeating
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threadkillaz Donating Member (453 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-12-06 11:47 PM
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10. "I will never question the patriotism of somebody who disagrees with me."
- GWB, Press Conference, 8-21-6
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cui bono Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-13-06 12:19 PM
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30. he has other people do it, as well as all those other things he doesn't do
Edited on Fri Oct-13-06 12:20 PM by cui bono
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chill_wind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-13-06 10:43 PM
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40. Perfect observation.
Edited on Fri Oct-13-06 10:44 PM by chill_wind
And the treasonous media, basking in his patronizing faux interest in their tailors and good fashion sense, sits there and nods...
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-13-06 01:52 AM
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11. Yeah, right. "...a tightening of military procedures to ensure that only
information relevant to terrorism and other threats was collected."

And, Donald Rumsfeld "views with great concern any potential violation" of the policy.

What crap.
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Stand and Fight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-13-06 02:21 AM
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12. Deeply troubling. Something is not right here. n/t
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enough Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-13-06 07:18 AM
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13. k&r
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Warren Stupidity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-13-06 07:24 AM
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14. We are all illegal enemy combatants. nt.
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Veronica.Franco Donating Member (752 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-13-06 07:25 AM
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15. LINK PLEASE?
The link you posted is just an ad? ...
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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-13-06 08:16 AM
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16. The NYT requires registration.
I think that is the problem, the link does lead to a story.
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Veronica.Franco Donating Member (752 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-13-06 08:22 AM
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19. Here's the correct link ..
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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-13-06 08:26 AM
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20. Glad you found it. nt
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Lone_Star_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-13-06 09:17 AM
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26. Your link takes me to an AD just like OP's.
I think it's due to how the NYTimes is setup and perhaps both of your links are correct. ;)
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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-13-06 02:30 PM
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34. here
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Felinity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-13-06 08:17 AM
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17. Click on Skip this Ad in upper right corner
And a K&R.

Please someone post a reminder next Thursday when part III is available.
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-13-06 08:42 AM
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22. it worked fine for me
.
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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-13-06 08:56 AM
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24. Me too.
How you doin' LC?
:hi:
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-13-06 09:07 AM
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25. I am okay
I could be better. How are you my friend? :hi:
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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-13-06 09:34 AM
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28. Good days and bad ones.
The world scares the poop out of me these days.
Glad Fall is here. My family is well.
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gratuitous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-13-06 08:38 AM
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21. What's that, Rush?
If I haven't done anything wrong, I don't have anything to worry about? Uh huh. Well, when I was marching in the streets and writing those letters, it wasn't against the law. Has ex post facto been repealed too?
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LynnTheDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-13-06 09:21 AM
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27. Military... monitoring citizens...
Welcome to the USSA.
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EVDebs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-13-06 12:51 PM
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31. TALON, kinda reminds me of Jeff Gannon. Who watches these 'watchers' ?
Edited on Fri Oct-13-06 12:54 PM by EVDebs
And how do we prevent another MLK, Jr, surveillance system ? Isn't this TALON identical to what the Army was doing with its Military Intelligence Groups watching King during the '60s ? From the GreyLady weblink in original post:

""A document first disclosed last December by NBC News showed that the military had maintained a database, known as Talon, containing information about more than 1,500 suspicious incidents around the country in 2004 and 2005. Dozens of alerts on antiwar meetings and peaceful protests appear to have remained in the database even after analysts had decided that they posed no threat to military bases or personnel.""



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gorbal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-13-06 01:47 PM
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32. Here is a direct link to the actual documents
Edited on Fri Oct-13-06 01:47 PM by gorbal
Share these with everyone you know-

http://www.aclu.org/safefree/spyfiles/index.html

And thank Nader for the freedom of information act, no matter how much you blame him for election 2000.
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LoKnLoD Donating Member (923 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-13-06 02:16 PM
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33. I was at a AntiWar protest in Salt Lake City
a year or so ago and the police were walking the crowds with video cameras filming everybody's faces, gave me the creeps.
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Bushfire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-13-06 03:53 PM
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36. If I'm not on the list yet, feel free to add me
I'd be in good company...
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jazzjunkysue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-13-06 05:47 PM
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38. At least I know I'll be in good company when they pick me up.
Hello, my new cellmates.
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donkeyotay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-13-06 05:08 PM
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37. The US military spying on citizens who opposed this really stupid war
They ought to send an apology to every one in their KGB files and say, "WE'RE SO SORRY WE DIDN'T LISTEN TO YOU. YOU WERE RIGHT, AND WE WERE WRONG."

That'll happen. The military, spying on citizens for exercising their constitutional rights to try and keep their gummit from doing something stupid. Unbelievable. KGB.

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robertpaulsen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-13-06 07:15 PM
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39. Bookmarking this to forward to a Dem Congress in 2007.
Times are shitty, but I refuse to lose my optimism!
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-14-06 03:02 AM
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41. Fascists!
NT!

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