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Newsjock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-12-06 09:42 PM
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'NYT' Sunday Preview: John Ashcroft Admits He is a 'Sinner'
http://www.editorandpublisher.com/eandp/news/article_di...

For her Q and A column in The New York Times Magazine, Deborah Solomon has coaxed some frank and/or revealing responses from leading politicians, bloggers, authors and even Warren Beatty, and this coming Sundays session with former U.S. Attorney General (and singer/songwriter) John Ashcroft is no different. He's the author of a new book, "Never Again."

Defending the presidents policy on torture, he says, I think there is a very sound argument for saying that those who violate the Geneva Conventions should not benefit from its provisions. When Solomon reminds him that that the U.S. stands for rights for all, he answers, Well, we have guaranteed many rights to the prisoners.

... Elsewhere, Ashcroft, a leading evangelical, admits he is a sinner, explaining, Im unkind on occasion, and I am selfish. Hes an active Christian because I am not good, because I need help. Ask about specific sins, Ashcroft says he has never had a mixed drink, never smoked a cigarette, and if tempted by another woman he would immediately call my wife.
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WCGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-12-06 09:44 PM
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1. Call my wife...
For what, a threesome...

Anyway, never again is right....

How this piece of work ever got elected to begin with is beyond me...
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marmar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-12-06 09:47 PM
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4. Well, he did lose to a corpse...
if that's an indication of his popularity.
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WCGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-12-06 09:52 PM
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10. It was Stiff competition......
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marmar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-12-06 09:58 PM
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15. tee hee...
Ashcroft being the least lively of the two, excpet of course when he broke into "Let the Eagle Soar."
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barb162 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-12-06 09:51 PM
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9. you bad
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WCGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-12-06 09:52 PM
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11. To much time in the Lounge....
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barb162 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-12-06 09:57 PM
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14. Who, you or me?
Edited on Thu Oct-12-06 09:58 PM by barb162
You know what, sometimes I think we shouldn't bash people like Ashcroft because it's like asking a mentally challenged person to do PhD level math. One can tell by these simplistic answers in this interview that he doesn't have much going on upstairs. The stuff about smoking and his wife seem early teenage years level at best.
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WCGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-12-06 09:59 PM
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16. Lounge... Me...
Teen age angst... Ashcroft...
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HarukaTheTrophyWife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-12-06 09:45 PM
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2. Well, that sounds totally boring.
Mixed drinks and cigarettes for all!
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Human Torch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-12-06 09:46 PM
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3. Did he also admit he can't carry a tune in a bucket, or write songs?
LET THE EAGLE SOAR



http://www.newwartimes.com/eagle.html

Lyrics to song written and sung by John Ashcroft:

"Let the eagle soar,
Like shes never soared before.
From rocky coast to golden shore,
Let the mighty eagle soar.
Soar with healing in her wings,
As the land beneath her sings:
'Only god, no other kings.'
This countrys far too young to die.
Weve still got a lot of climbing to do,
And we can make it if we try.
Built by toils and struggles
God has led us through."

:evilgrin:
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tularetom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-12-06 09:47 PM
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5. "Those who violate the Geneva Convention
should not benefit from its provisions." Bwahahahahaha - is this asswipe so irony-challenged he doesn't realize what he has just said?
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Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-12-06 09:48 PM
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6. HAHAHA! Sinning fucker needs help, Yes you do and you will
yup, rot in Hell! Better start dealing with it Ashcan. Nothings gonna save your soul over 911. At least Rummy will be there with you - you fucking puritanical freak.
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leesa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-12-06 09:49 PM
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7. What about participating in the coup of 2000 and the catastrophic event of
9-11...or isn't that equivalent to a mixed drink in your insane little world?
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partylessinOhio Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-12-06 09:50 PM
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8. Go cover some statues, Ashnut. I don't believe a word he says.
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Az_lefty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-12-06 09:55 PM
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12. perhaps the good Mr. Ashcroft would like to repent a little further...
and discuss some of the crimes of the bush cabal...maybe rid himself of the guilt he seems to be feeling.
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Amonester Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-12-06 09:55 PM
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13. And what about not flying commercial airplanes because of some
of some 10 on a scale of 1 to 10 specific warnings of imminent highjackings and not doing anything about it (not even just telling the public who signed his paychecks)?? :grr:
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stepnw1f Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-12-06 10:01 PM
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17. When You Made a Deal with the Devil, What DId You Expect? (nt)
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JoFerret Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-12-06 10:06 PM
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18. That's for sure. Now let's hear the details
I fear his definition of sin will not match with my reading of Christian doctrine.
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-12-06 10:09 PM
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19. Yes, that sinner is going straight to hell.
Funny how he doesn't mention booking private jets while letting the rest of America ride commercial planes because he wanted to save his own life no matter how many of us died.

Funny how that isn't on his mind. He'll have eternity to deal with it.
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mcscajun Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-12-06 10:10 PM
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20. Special to Ashcroft: Yo, John! I don't give a flying ecclesiastical
FUCK if you're confessing to be a sinner! Have a drink, John! Seriously...it would do you some good. In the meantime, have a great big steaming cup of Shut The Fuck UP!

This guy is wound WAY too tight.

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YDogg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-12-06 10:45 PM
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21. Well, that's a stretch.
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ProgressiveEconomist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-13-06 12:43 AM
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22. Hmm... 3 clauses in the Ashcroft quote, but only 2 "nevers"
Is this why he puts curtains in front of naked statues of women?
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Miss Chybil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-13-06 01:57 AM
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23. 11. Thou shalt not have mixed drink. 12. Thou shalt not smoke
a cigarette.

I think the coveting the neighbor's wife is covered somewhere in the first ten commandments, but I thought we'd better make an addendum for eleven and twelve, lest some people not realize they are sinning when they are. We don't want anybody going to hell based on ignorance, now do we?
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Shakespeare Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-13-06 02:01 AM
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24. There's a reason those who worked with him in the Missouri state house....
...before he made it to Washington referred to him as "Asshole Ashcroft." Yeah, John, you're a sinner all right.
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matcom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-13-06 06:14 AM
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25. I think you should kill yourself John
right now. put yourself out of my misery
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latebloomer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-13-06 06:34 AM
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26. "Another woman" would consider sleeping with him?
I DON'T THINK SO!!!


:puke:
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AlinPA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-13-06 08:32 AM
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27. b-b-but I have had straight whiskey, beer and wine. Them mixed ones
are the work of the devil....
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Zorro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-13-06 08:44 AM
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28. You bet he's a sinner
and he's going to hell for covering up and supporting this criminal administration.
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The Stranger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-13-06 08:49 AM
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29. He needs to be tried for establishing and defending the concentration camp
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peekaloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-13-06 08:52 AM
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30. He's a joker, but not a smoker and a midnight chicken choker.
The only good thing I've read about him is that he's a Simpsons fan.

Show us your tits, Johnny!
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PurityOfEssence Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-13-06 08:58 AM
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31. Finally we agree on something
Fundies make my skin crawl.
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LiberalFighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-13-06 09:06 AM
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32. So mixed drinks are bad but beer and shots are not? Geesh
By that logic... he and his kind should support legalizing pot

But you don't get arrested and jailed for drinking mixed drinks. Then maybe it should only be a sin to smoke pot but not a criminal offense.
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Dulcinea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-13-06 09:48 AM
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33. Too bad Ashcroft didn't pursue a career in country music.
No offense intended to country fans.

The world would be a much better place if he had just stuck to writing & singing bad country songs & stayed out of politics.

And, aren't we ALL sinners, according to the fundies?
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marshall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-13-06 11:59 AM
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34. He stole Jimmy Carter's line
Didn't Carter say the same thing in an old Playboy interview?
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-13-06 12:08 PM
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35. oh damn. I thought he was coming out of the closet too...
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-13-06 12:12 PM
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36. or that he got surgery to look like Fess Parker on purpose (pic)
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AlCzervik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-13-06 12:14 PM
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37. Asscroft will be on The Daily show monday night.
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FooFootheSnoo Donating Member (304 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-13-06 12:48 PM
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38. riveting stuff!!
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Sapere aude Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-13-06 01:07 PM
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39. those who violate the Geneva Conventions should not benefit from its
Edited on Fri Oct-13-06 01:10 PM by Sapere aude
provisions.

What the hell does this mean? Does it mean if we torture and that is a violation then our people should not benefit from the provisions and be tortured too? Does it mean a terrorist violates the conventions so we can violate the conventions thus denying the terrorist benefit from provisions? If that is the case, why have any conventions in the first place since both sides are going to violate them.
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GoddessOfGuinness Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-13-06 02:30 PM
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40. Well John, it's pretty sick when the statue of Justice tempts you...
...not that you'd ever admit it.
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Jack Rabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-13-06 02:44 PM
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41. This is hardly worth a headline
Under the doctrine of Original Sin, being a sinner is pretty much synonymous with being human. As a Christian and more specifically as a Protestant, Ashcroft does not believe he is any less of a sinner than anybody else, only that his sins are forgiven by the grace of Christ.

I am not a Christian, and I am aware that not all Christians would consider some of the things Mr. Ashcroft regards as sin as such. Nevertheless, I will defend Mr. Ashcroft's right to worship God as he sees fit.
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