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Jcrowley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-09-06 10:45 PM
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Four top doctors arrested over illegal human experimentation
Four top doctors arrested over illegal human experimentation
By Ran Reznik, Haaretz Correspondent
Last update-02:41 10/10/2006

Four senior doctors at Kaplan Hospital in Rehovot and Hartzfeld Geriatric Hospital in Gedera suspected of illegally experimenting on humans were arrested Monday.

The national fraud squad has opened an investigation into the affair. The four are suspected of abuse, aggravated assault, causing death through negligence, fraud, forgery, breach of statutory duty, and disruption of legal proceedings.

The Tel Aviv Magistrate's Court on Monday extended by three days the remands of Kaplan-Hartzfeld deputy director Dr. Shmuel Levi and Dr. Nadia Kagensky. The third suspect, Dr. Alona Smirnov, was released to house arrest for five days, and the fourth suspect was released following an investigation.

Police searched the houses of all four suspects and confiscated incriminating documents.

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/772409.html
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Straight Shooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-09-06 10:49 PM
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1. Grotesquely ironic, experimenting on humans, in Israel. n/t
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Miss Chybil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-09-06 11:10 PM
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2. You're right. It's stunning. nt
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-10-06 03:12 AM
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patrick t. cakes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-09-06 11:19 PM
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4. thank Yahweh
the fraud squad is on the case.


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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-09-06 11:20 PM
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-09-06 11:27 PM
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6. Oh, for Christ's sake. This is simply unbearable.
How COULD these doctors stoop this terribly, terribly LOW? From the article:
According to a report issued by the investigations department of the Health Ministry and exposed by Haaretz, the hospitals in Gedera and Rehovot conducted illegal and unethical testing on thousands of elderly patients for years.

During one of the incidents described, twelve patients died either during the experiments or shortly after they took place, but these incidents were not reported to the Health Ministry or investigated, as is required by law.
(snip)

According to the report, some doctors received promotions, both in their professional and academic careers, on the basis of the illegal tests. In some cases, the tests were used as the basis for research studies published in local and international medical journals.

At least four doctors at the hospitals were named as experts in Geriatrics based on the illegal tests they allegedly conducted along with their colleagues.
(snip/)
What a bunch of "scientists." They are lucky the sky has not fallen on them yet. These are some empty, pointless men with too much time on their hands, and only emptiness in their hearts.
Worthless shits.

I truly hope they die a thousand painful deaths.
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wholetruth00 Donating Member (576 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-10-06 12:40 AM
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10. I wonder how many grants they have from the NIH?
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-10-06 02:24 AM
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11. That will be icing on the cake, won't it, when we learn our tax dollars
Edited on Tue Oct-10-06 02:29 AM by Judi Lynn
has been helping to fund these sadistic monsters?

Just add it to the list with the white phosphorus attacks on human beings in Iraq, the torture, the lies. It eventually seems to merge, all coming from the same group of deviants: people who don't need bother with the rules everyone else must respect.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-09-06 11:51 PM
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ruiner4u Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-10-06 12:01 AM
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8. hmm..this...
and tons of cluster bombs left in lebanon..
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-10-06 12:09 AM
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KansDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-10-06 10:20 AM
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25. Not to mention the nurse who stood by and watched as camp goons..
killed a teen in the juvenile boot camp in Florida recently

(CBS/AP) A 14-year-old boy kicked and punched by guards at a juvenile boot camp died because the sheriff's officials suffocated him, a medical examiner said Friday, contradicting a colleague who blamed the death on a usually benign blood disorder.

Martin Anderson's death was caused by suffocation due to actions of the guards at the boot camp, said Dr. Vernard Adams, who conducted the second autopsy.

Adams said the suffocation was caused by hands blocking the boy's mouth, as well as the forced inhalation of ammonia fumes that caused his vocal cords to spasm, blocking his upper airway. The guards had said in an incident report that they used ammonia capsules to keep Anderson conscious.

The autopsy report draws no conclusions about whether Anderson's death was a homicide or an accident.

--more--
CBS News

I saw the video: a nurse stood by and let this boy die.

Yes, it can happen here...
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-10-06 10:49 AM
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31. The fact the boy was dying in front of her eyes, was unable to walk
Edited on Tue Oct-10-06 10:51 AM by Judi Lynn
as they dragged him around, did NOT revive after they threw cup after cup of water on him, didn't seem to affect that woman in any way whatsoesver.

It really looked like an intentional killing, as she DID stand there, up close, and observed the entire murder without moving to help him.

What can they be thinking when they only PRETEND to be concerned with helping the helpless?
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Behind the Aegis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-10-06 03:32 AM
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13. Disgusting.
As foul and unethical, among other things, this is not indicative of the Israeli society as a whole. Israeli people are not immune to gross violations of human ethics, they are like the rest of the human continuum, some really good people, some really bad, and most in the middle.
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cornermouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-10-06 04:47 AM
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14. Most of us do recognize the difference between the one or two
bad apples and the basket of good apples.
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saigon68 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-10-06 04:53 AM
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15. Sounds like the US military
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Behind the Aegis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-10-06 06:42 AM
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16. Some do....others here are ready to throw out the whole basket. n/t
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hedgehog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-10-06 10:38 AM
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30. Over the years I've developed a theory about Israeli politics.
Our right wingers and nut cases donate vast amounts of money to their right wingers and nut cases. (Among other things, our crazier fundies want their crazier fundies to re-build Solomon's Temple and start offering ritual sacrifices again.) Given the size of Israel, it doesn't take lot of outside money to really twist their electoral politics. There is a nice feed-back loop because then Israeli right wingers come over and support our right wingers. There is a real threat to Israel from the surrounding states, but these guys are not interested in an equitable solution, only an unobtainable victory.
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Sven77 Donating Member (645 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-10-06 07:47 AM
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17. Ringworm Children
google it. 1950s radiation tests on children, killed thousands.
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hedgehog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-10-06 09:54 AM
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22. I googled it, but all the references come back to a single source.
Knowing how crazy some of the generals were back then, I can believe that the US did finance a set of "experiments". On the other hand, this entire story may be as bogus as those claiming the World Trade Center was deliberately blown up by Bush and company.


It's worth an entire thread, but the things done back in the 50's with X-rays and other forms of radiation in the name of health are unbelievable. How about X-ray machines at the local shoe store to ensure a proper fit? My sister has a large scar on her leg from the radiation treatment used to remove a birth mark. It was a combination of the generals trying to assure us that we could all survuve a nuclear war and of medical doctors trying out a new tool to see if they could fix things with it.
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hang a left Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-10-06 10:20 AM
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26. !
MIHOP















No Doubt about IT!
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hedgehog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-10-06 10:23 AM
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27. Actually, I'm a fan of LIHBTWTBPTIOITPA.
Let it happen because they were too busy planning the invasion of Iraq to pay attention.

(I just gotta get a snappier catch phrase!)
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Lurking Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-10-06 10:27 AM
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28. LIHTI
is what I have been using.

Let It Happen Through Ineptitude
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hedgehog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-10-06 10:31 AM
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29. That works.
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hang a left Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-10-06 10:57 AM
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34. Whatever makes you feel better.
:freak:
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-10-06 08:07 AM
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18. k&r
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GeorgeGist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-10-06 08:18 AM
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19. Talk about....
holocaust denial!
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Behind the Aegis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-10-06 12:41 PM
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36. That doesn't even make sense.
These horrific experiments don't even reach the level of the Holocaust. So why even throw out that term? Because of where it took place?
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-10-06 08:27 AM
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Behind the Aegis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-10-06 12:41 PM
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37. What does this have to do with Jews?
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-10-06 08:40 AM
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21. I'd really like to hear how the doctors are justifying their actions
Morbid curiosity...but I'd really like to hear it straight from their mouths.

You can almost guess what they would say simply because we've heard it all before.

But the need to confront them - to face them - and ask "why?" is still there





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Lurking Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-10-06 09:57 AM
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23. Would they really even bother?
Hubris outweighs common sense but this is unjustifiable.
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-10-06 10:50 AM
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32. Oh, I'm sure they'd come up with some excuse
some lie they told themselves...

there's the Ed Gein kind of horror...aberrations...a product of glitches along the way

then there are people like those doctors......outwardly one thing...but capable of lying themselves into committing the most horrendous acts

Evil doesn't always come with a warning....because evil can look so normal...boring even...it sits next to you in the dark and in the light...it can be polite, even friendly.

That's what so horrifying about this...



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Lurking Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-10-06 10:52 AM
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33. Sigh
You're right.
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hedgehog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-10-06 10:07 AM
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24. Over the years, I've come across references to Zionist Fascists,
if you can wrap your mind around such a thing. (There were actually Irish Fascists as well, "Blue Shirts") We all would like to forget that eugenics was considered a very respectable science at the time. It makes sense that there are still people around who consider it right and proper that the old and infirm be "allowed" to contribute to the greater good by being used as guinea pigs. Too much of the medical establishment is still tuned to the notion that the doctor is the one who knows all and is to be allowed to proceed unquestioned. Let's just hope that regulators are alert in this country.
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earth mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-10-06 11:30 AM
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35. Horrible and not unlike giving U.S. infants mercury laden vaccinations
Edited on Tue Oct-10-06 11:31 AM by TheGoldenRule
which resulted in an AUTISM EPIDEMIC.

Meanwhile, NO ONE is being charged with this crime in the United States! :grr:
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Parche Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-10-06 01:14 PM
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38. human experimenting
Looks like Karen Hughes escaped in time....................
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Jcrowley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-10-06 01:22 PM
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39. Has anybody seen more specifics?
The report should've had more links put in so as to see what exactly was done. I've not been able to locate the series Ha'aretz did about this that the reporter refers to all I found was this:
http://www.commondreams.org/headlines05/0511-02.htm

Anyone find more details about this case?
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maddezmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-10-06 01:57 PM
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40. locking
Discussion has gone off-topic.
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