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IChing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-09-06 12:40 AM
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Kim: U.S. Should Talk Directly to N. Korea
SEOUL, Oct. 8 (UPI) -- Former South Korean President Kim Dae-jung Sunday called on the United States to talk directly to North Korea about its nuclear program.

Kim said direct talks with the isolated country not only could encourage it to dump its nuclear ambitions but also to return to the negotiation table, the Korea Times said. North Korean officials said the country is preparing for a nuclear test.

'Even former U.S. President Ronald Reagan had dialogue with the Soviet Union, which he branded as an `evil empire,`' Kim told CNN`s 'Talk Asia' Sunday. 'I can hardly understand why the U.S. does not hold talks with North Korea.'



http://news.monstersandcritics.com/roundups/article_120...

IN YOUR FACE BUSH
YOU FUCKED AROUND FOR 6 YEARS.
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TomInTib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-09-06 12:44 AM
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1. Bingo!
The N Koreans beat the WH to the punch.

Fucking losers.
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MidwestTransplant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-09-06 12:53 AM
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2. This Admin's NK policy is a COMPLETE AND UTTER failure
Direct talks would have avoided this. Not cutting off dialogue when Shrub and the rest of the incompetents took over would have avoided this. The UN was in monitoring their reactors and uranium. It wasn't being enriched. We had given them light water reactor techonolgy. Of course the Freepers don't understand this. It's Klinton's fault to them.
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janx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-09-06 12:55 AM
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3. "Cowboy" diplomacy again
Edited on Mon Oct-09-06 12:57 AM by janx
Direct talks needn't have meant capitulation.

Edit to add: And as a result, ironically, the U.S. has been put on the defensive.
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Erika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-09-06 03:18 AM
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13. Yes, we refused to talk
The arrogant sign of W/Bolton/Rice.
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ChairmanAgnostic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-09-06 11:21 AM
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22. Sorry, I just don't see rice as a maker of policy.
unless it has to do with whether she swallows or spits.

Cheney has total control over foreign policy. Bolton and Rice AND BUSH take their orders from him.
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IChing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-09-06 01:00 AM
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6. So the former leader of the country where this effects the most
has no bearing or relevance on the course or path of diplomacy?

I think President Kim proves this wrong, he had even ask for the conferences which Rice and Bolton turned down for unitary diplomacy.
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MGD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-09-06 07:54 AM
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17. What policy of this administration isn't a complete and utter failure?
The "Axis of Evil" is kicking the shit out of the "axis of incompetents." Iran will be next.
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twaddler01 Donating Member (800 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-09-06 07:26 PM
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32. .................. N/T
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stepnw1f Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-09-06 01:10 PM
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27. They Don't Really Care Whose Fault it is
I think they just desire war and death, and they will say anything to justify it or to just allow it to happen.
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shadowknows69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-09-06 12:56 AM
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4. With this idiot in charge
His message to you may be on the tip of an ICBM Kim. Thanks for kicking the hornet's nest we call a president.
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habitual Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-09-06 12:57 AM
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5. K&R
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DianaForRussFeingold Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-09-06 01:16 AM
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7. Japanese and Chinese governments warned N.Korea against proceeding
Edited on Mon Oct-09-06 01:22 AM by DianaForRussFeingold
North Korea bans Bolton from talks; calling a senior American official "human scum" for criticizing North Korea's leader, banned him from U.S.-proposed multilateral talks on its suspected development of nuclear weapons. http://www.washtimes.com/world/20030804-121425-6611r.ht... Japanese and Chinese governments warned the communist country against proceeding with the test. ... http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601101&sid=ao1...


Too Bad Powell Was Fired Or Made To Resign

:scared: :grouphug: :kick:
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alittlelark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-09-06 01:41 AM
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8. W/the lunatics currently in control of the WH...
no one gives a sh*t. So other Govt's warned them - WE are the ones that made them part of the evil triad of 'The Axis of Evil'. We are the ones Kim Jong Il is measuring his dick against.
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orleans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-09-06 02:22 AM
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9. bush can't talk to north korea
he doesn't know koreneese

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Kablooie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-09-06 02:30 AM
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10. Because he's busy protecting us from islamic terrists.
America must be protected first.

(but if we're being protected, why did N.K. all of a sudden get the bomb? )
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Taoschick Donating Member (391 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-09-06 02:40 AM
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11. In this case,
Talk really means listen to NK's latest economic demands. For crying out loud, they've lied to the entire world while they did exactly what they wanted. Is that suddenly going to change? Is NK suddenly going to obey the international community after decades of flipping it off? We're not going to cut off all aid and allow them to starve their people because then the UN would get the blame. NK will do whatever the hell it wants and there really isn't anything we can do about it.
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Erika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-09-06 03:16 AM
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12. Bolton/Rice/W failed us miserably
Too occupied with Iraq who was never a danger to us.

Clinton kept them in check.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-09-06 06:47 AM
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Mojorabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-09-06 07:25 AM
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16. I think he did it
Edited on Mon Oct-09-06 07:26 AM by Mojorabbit
just to rub *'s face in it. His way of saving face.
This article is very interesting from the N Korea standpoint
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Korea/HJ06Dg01.html
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pampango Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-09-06 10:44 AM
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21. There is nothing the West can do about it, but Kim had better watch China
very carefully. They have been his best (only?) supporter. They provide NK with the oil, food, and diplomatic protection that keeps his regime in business.

He cannot survive long without China. They have evidently preferred him to a unified and prosperous Korea, but that preference may not last forever. Today China condemned the nuclear test and suspended one shipment of food aid. Could just be posturing, as all countries do, but Kim had better worry that it does not go beyond posturing in the long run.
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MGKrebs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-09-06 01:03 PM
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24. Even if that's true, and it might be, what are you saying?
Wouldn't it still be better to pretend to listen to their demands rather than provoke them constantly?

If there were ANY chance of delaying or attenuating their aggressiveness, isn't it more likely going to come from at least being occassionally in the same room with them?

Bush is the one who said we won't tolerate this. Now he is in a position to try to back down gracefully- which I think we have yet to see him do- or ratchet things up a notch- which he's good at.

All your comments apply to both parties by the way (except maybe the starving part).
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Taoschick Donating Member (391 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-09-06 01:41 PM
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28. Perhaps
It would be better if we just backed off and stopped rattling our own sabers. The idea that we can place demands on NK is just as insane as the idea that they can place demands on us. It appears that NK has mightily pissed off China, who they need for aid and support. Let Moscow and Beijing lean on them before we start threatening even more sanctions.
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pampango Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-09-06 06:03 AM
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14. Kim thought: "I know what I want and I am going to get it."
Look, Kim is not Hitler, but he knows what he wants (a nuclear toy) and he will play the negotiation card as often as he can to keep people off balance. If someone wants to negotiate, that's fine with him. Just don't expect "peace in our time." If they don't, that's fine, too.

What could we give him in negotiations? South Korea? A few billion dollars? It would have to be something that benefits him and not the people of North Korea, since he doesn't give a s*** about them. Kim contends that a nuclear bomb is defensive in nature. That will teach South Korea to trash their democracy and economy to build up to invade the North. It will also keep the US at bay, since we all know that it covets the North's barren hills and starving people.

What can be done about North Korea and their nuclear bomb? Nothing, unless China wants something done, nothing will happen. It seems to still be more concerned by a united, prosperous Korea than by a starving dictatorship with a few nuclear weapons that are aimed somewhere other than China.
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MGKrebs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-09-06 04:01 PM
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29. I don't understand this "nothing can be done" idea.
The thing that MIGHT be able to be done is to not provoke them into blowing something up, or not provoke them into provoking us into blowing something up.

This question is about engagement vs. isolation. And I'll tell you what we can offer them: The continued chance to participate in the community of nations for one thing. Do we even know what the crazy bastard might want? Why don't we just ask? Maybe all he wants is a trip to Graceland and an Elvis belt buckle.

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MGD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-09-06 07:57 AM
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18. So much for the "strong on national security" argument.
I know I sure feel safer now. :sarcasm:
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bdamomma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-09-06 08:00 AM
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19. I think it's a good idea, let all the dictators talk to each other
Bush, Ahmadinejad, and Kim Yong Il, they have alot in common.
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LynnTheDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-09-06 10:40 AM
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20. Other than illegal "supreme crime" wars of aggression;
bush has them beat all to hell on that.

Then there's per capita number of own citizens jailed; that would be America. We're #1! We're #1!

But we're not #1 for safest nation from terrorist attacks; that would be...North Korea.
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IChing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-09-06 12:38 PM
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23. China and Russia urged talks but Bolton said no...from friday
Both China and Russia have urged the United States and North Korea to hold talks, which Russias U.N. Ambassador Vitaly Churkin said Friday could be useful in resolving the situation. But he said U.S. Ambassador John Bolton informed the council that there would be no North Korean-U.S. talks except in the margins of resumed six-party talks.

Bolton said the Security Council needs to adopt a long-term strategy to deal with North Korea but the top U.S. priority now is to stop a nuclear test.

We take the threat by North Korea seriously. We dont think this is an attention-getting device of people waving their arm to say see me, see me. We think this would be consistent with the unfortunate logic that North Korea has been following, he said.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15152981/
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IChing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-09-06 01:07 PM
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25. Bush: Why should I care about North Korea?
Why should I care about North Korea?
In State of Denial, Bob Woodward recounts a conversation between then-Gov. George W. Bush and then-Saudi ambassador to the U.S. Prince Bandar, in which Bush wonders why he should care about North Korea. I get these briefings on all parts of the world, Bush said, and everybody is talking to me about North Korea.

http://thinkprogress.org/2006/10/09/why-should-i-care-a...
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stepnw1f Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-09-06 01:08 PM
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26. GOP and BUSH Allowed N. KOrea to Make Nukes
They are responsible for this shit.
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-09-06 04:09 PM
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30. Bush people can't look anyone whom they intend to destroy, if possible,
long enough to talk to them.

Guilty consciences.

They aren't "coming from" a dignified, statesman-like position. They are speaking from a ridge-runner, shoot-em-in-the-back, dirty liar's perspective.
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MGKrebs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-09-06 07:15 PM
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31. Given the timing, perhaps we are.
Not much could knock Foley off the front page.

Or, is Kim shrewd (or naive?) enough to think that Bush would recognize that he (Kim) has done him a favor and offer something in return?
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